Going best player available gets you Pro Bowl players

[AbeBeta]

I believe in BPA is virtually every situation. Drafting for need so often leads to mistakes on players.

At No. 4, I think that's Ezekiel Elliott, but I don't think they would take him there. Probably trade down unless there's a QB they feel strongly about.

Bosa is a bear trap, and I think they know it. He's Chris Long, and not worthy of that pick.

I don't get why people are so averse to an RB at 4 ... but not at say 7. Next to the QB, he's the guy who touches the ball the most. That's really freaking impactful.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I don't get why people are so averse to an RB at 4 ... but not at say 7. Next to the QB, he's the guy who touches the ball the most. That's really freaking impactful.

I agree. But if you think you can bet another draft pick by trading down...because the NFL doesnt value RBs anymore......then I say play those cards....

but if not a QB, I do want Elliiot. I have seen him play numerous times, I am a Buckeye Fan. My gut is , he wont disappoint.

 

[Verdict]

Actually Parcells talked about how they really liked Witten but he felt the center position had held him hostage too many times in the past. That's a clear need over BPA comment.

And I think it is somewhat revisionist history to say we were wrong on Johnson. He injured his knee in camp and needed microfracture surgery. Not many guys come back fully from that. Missed his whole rookie year. He wasn't the same after that (although he was pretty solid in his first year of play). It was a pick that was derailed by injury.

If it was a need pick, doesn't that actually reinforce the validity of my point?

 

[erod]

I don't get why people are so averse to an RB at 4 ... but not at say 7. Next to the QB, he's the guy who touches the ball the most. That's really freaking impactful.

I'm not either, and I wish they'd just take him. The dude would be amazing here, and yes, I know how running backs are in high supply.

This guy reminds of Emmitt in important ways. Who wouldn't want to relive that again?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I'm not either, and I wish they'd just take him. The dude would be amazing here, and yes, I know how running backs are in high supply.

This guy reminds of Emmitt in important ways. Who wouldn't want to relive that again?

I would "risk losing him" if we thought we could reasonably pick up another pick.. 2nd round...its a gamble for sure, Elliot has the tools.......But I wont beat anybody up for taking that risk.

 

[erod]

I would "risk losing him" if we thought we could reasonably pick up another pick.. 2nd round...its a gamble for sure, Elliot has the tools.......But I wont beat anybody up for taking that risk.

None of the other backs are anywhere as complete as Elliott.

He's the best inside-outside runner, best receiver, best pass protector, and best short yardage back in the draft.

Period.

Everybody else has limitations. Zeke does not.

 

[Craig]

I believe in BPA is virtually every situation. Drafting for need so often leads to mistakes on players.

At No. 4, I think that's Ezekiel Elliott, but I don't think they would take him there. Probably trade down unless there's a QB they feel strongly about.

Bosa is a bear trap, and I think they know it. He's Chris Long, and not worthy of that pick.

I dont think ive seen one projection for ee at 4. Drafting him at 4 would be drafting for most visible impact.

Im open to him at 4 if hes the bpa, but i dont think hes one of the 4 best players in this draft. If he is for dallas though, hes should be the pick.

 

[erod]

I dont think ive seen one projection for ee at 4. Drafting him at 4 would be drafting for most visible impact.

I've seen TONS of them. A lot of mock drafts have him going to Dallas there.

 

[Craig]

Im not looking at mocks, im looking at player rankings.

 

[dfense]

Going best player available gets you pro bowl players like Fred Beard,Tyron Smith, Demarco Murray, Jason Witten, Zack Martin, and the list goes on and on. Drafting for need gets you Greg Ellis instead of Randy Moss, and Shante Carver, Ebeneezer Ekuban, et. al.

I hope the Cowboys continue to select the best player available and stick to their board. It is better to take an all pro punter in the 6th round rather than a guy who will be off the team in a year just because they are trying to fill a hole.

I think that is why there are so many people concerned about forcing Bosa as the pick at #4. If he is the pick I hope it is because he really is viewed as the BPA rather than forcing the pick based on need.

Greg Ellis is a bad comparison. He wasn't a bad player.

 

[AbeBeta]

If it was a need pick, doesn't that actually reinforce the validity of my point?

No because you said we got Witten because we had chosen to go BPA

 

[JoeBoBBY]

None of the other backs are anywhere as complete as Elliott.

He's the best inside-outside runner, best receiver, best pass protector, and best short yardage back in the draft.

Period.

Everybody else has limitations. Zeke does not.

I'm a big EE fan, so I cant say I disagree... But I also like what DMAC did last year(he should be a really good backup RB), and I like the signing of Morris......maybe a shared approach between those two; .And I think, if we don't get an RB 1st round well get someone in the 3rd or 4th, to push the above two..........

Now, if we were "selling out" for the remaining Romo years, I would pick up Zeke in heartbeat. But I don't get the impression we are doing that. I want to sell out(at least to a certain degree).......but, I understand the other side of the argument(they better make sure they find that franchise QB); But for the record, I want to sell out while Romo is here, bring in guys on FA, draft EE, etc etc, and push for the next 2 years......But again, I don't get the impression they are doing that;

 

[JD_KaPow]

Really? Witten we got in the third - we were shocked he was still on the board in the second, but we had a need a center so we took Al Johnson instead

So how is that BPA again?

We drafted for need with the first pick...and it didn't work out.
We got lucky that the BPA was still there in the third, and took him...and it worked out incredibly well.

Draft BPA. Almost period.

There are two exceptions I can think of:
1. I think this applies only to QBs and maybe top-of-first-round LTs. In those cases, where there's a clear BPA but he's clearly blocked from PT for several years, trade down. If he's really that clear a BPA, surely someone will offer something. You could argue other positions apply here.
2. If you're confident that your BPA will still be there with your next pick, sure, take someone else. The closer the grades of the players are, the more willing you should be to take some risk in this way.

And yeah, if you have two guys who grade out basically the same, sure, take the one where you have the greatest need. It's not like we really know that one guy is an 80.1 and the other guy is a 79.9: they're both around 80, so don't sweat it too much. Just don't pass on the 90 guy sitting out there to do it.

 

[Verdict]

No because you said we got Witten because we had chosen to go BPA

That's right. We went Witten because he was the BPA and look how that turned out. Its not that complicated.

 

[AbeBeta]

That's right. We went Witten because he was the BPA and look how that turned out. Its not that complicated.

BPA really only applies to early picks. We got lucky on Written. Had we actually been going BPA, we'd have grabbed him in the 2nd.

 

[Verdict]

I am saying that you should pretty much always go BPA unless the players are graded evenly.

 

[gimmesix]

I believe in BPA is virtually every situation. Drafting for need so often leads to mistakes on players.

At No. 4, I think that's Ezekiel Elliott, but I don't think they would take him there. Probably trade down unless there's a QB they feel strongly about.

Bosa is a bear trap, and I think they know it. He's Chris Long, and not worthy of that pick.

I hope if Bosa is picked by Dallas, so much crow is eaten here that my wife doesn't have to worry about them attacking her garden for the next 10 years.

 

[Verdict]

I hope if Bosa is picked by Dallas, so much crow is eaten here that my wife doesn't have to worry about them attacking her garden for the next 10 years.

What if Bosa is drafted by us and busts? Is the Crow still served? Don't you have to wait to to fire up the crow roasting pit to see how Bosa performs first?

 

[gimmesix]

Going best player available gets you pro bowl players like Fred Beard,Tyron Smith, Demarco Murray, Jason Witten, Zack Martin, and the list goes on and on. Drafting for need gets you Greg Ellis instead of Randy Moss, and Shante Carver, Ebeneezer Ekuban, et. al.

I hope the Cowboys continue to select the best player available and stick to their board. It is better to take an all pro punter in the 6th round rather than a guy who will be off the team in a year just because they are trying to fill a hole.

I think that is why there are so many people concerned about forcing Bosa as the pick at #4. If he is the pick I hope it is because he really is viewed as the BPA rather than forcing the pick based on need.

The primary problem with BPA is that teams often use a tiered approach to ranking players. Bosa, for instance, might be on the same tier as Tunsil and Ramsey, which means that all things being equal, the team takes the one that best fits its need.

The year that Dallas took Frederick, the team had several players in that same tier, it just happened to need a center worse.

 

[Hardline]

It's not black or white. What if the BPA is a LT? Do you take him? Of course not! You match the BPA against what your team needs. If you draft a specific position then you get in trouble. For instance "we are taking a DE at #4 no matter what". Instead you want to be open to a number of team needs.

If that LT is Tunsil you absolutely do take him and move him to RT.
No way in hell I pass up the best player in this draft.