Good is good and bad is bad

[SSoup]

Agree about Claiborne. NEVER use a high pick on someone you have NOT interviewed.

I don't understand the obsession with whether he was interviewed.

He didn't fail here for character or attitude reasons, like the kind of things that might have theoretically shown themselves in an interview. And, frankly, given our ties to Les Miles, I'm sure we got the scoop on all that anyway and we felt comfortable that he was all good on that front. He just didn't fail for any reason that would've come to light in a canned interview.

P.S.: If you think our front office talking to a guy endows them with the magic power to predict his future, I'd just remind you that the personnel people interviewing him also would've been roughly the same people who interviewed and signed off on garbage like Gregory, Hardy, Brent, or any other nightmare character we let into our orbit. What crack staff of interviewers are you upset never got the chance to rubber stamp the kid like they rubber stamp literally everybody else who played well and showed some good film?

 

[DogFace]

My bad for expecting you to have 'insight'

Now go look up what that means

Oooohh! You got me. I feel bad about myself now

 

[visionary]

Oooohh! You got me. I feel bad about myself now

lol
I know I got you

 

[visionary]

I don't understand the obsession with whether he was interviewed.

He didn't fail here for character or attitude reasons, like the kind of things that might have theoretically shown themselves in an interview. And, frankly, given our ties to Les Miles, I'm sure we got the scoop on all that anyway and we felt comfortable that he was all good on that front. He just didn't fail for any reason that would've come to light in a canned interview.

P.S.: If you think our front office talking to a guy endows them with the magic power to predict his future, I'd just remind you that the personnel people interviewing him also would've been roughly the same people who interviewed and signed off on garbage like Gregory, Hardy, Brent, or any other nightmare character we let into our orbit. What crack staff of interviewers are you upset never got the chance to rubber stamp the kid like they rubber stamp literally everybody else who played well and showed some good film?

Then you don't understand the first thing about recruiting

Think of it this way, would any Fortune 500 company or medical law or business school or practice hire you without an interview out of college?

And none of them are paying those employees 5-10 million per year and aren't limited by draft choices

No good FO drafts a player at the top of round 1 without an interview and meeting

There are reasons for these and if you don't understand then you aren't paying attention

 

[bayeslife]

If Jaylon is a great player next year then how could the pick possibly be considered a fail?

Other than that I agree with your other points

 

[Verdict]

You seem like the type of dude that would get cramps.

You seem like someone who always wants to make things personal. What a wonderful life you must lead!!!!

 

[SSoup]

Then you don't understand the first thing about recruiting

Think of it this way, would any Fortune 500 company or medical law or business school or practice hire you without an interview out of college?

And none of them are paying those employees 5-10 million per year and aren't limited by draft choices

No good FO drafts a player at the top of round 1 without an interview and meeting

There are reasons for these and if you don't understand then you aren't paying attention

I understand why you interview a guy. But I also understand that in sports, where the potential employer can watch tape of every minute of you doing your job, the game film is the real evaluation. And we studied his tape. And we did the standard background-check stuff. We had ties to his boss at LSU so we already had the goods on his work ethic and his approach and his attitude. We liked his tape and we liked the scoop we got from Les Miles. At that point, what are you saying comes out in the interview to stop us from picking him? The team probably didn't want to signal that they were after the guy (since we've been known to cost ourselves targets because we often aren't smart about being discreet when we're after a kid). And since they loved his film and loved what they'd heard from Miles, probably already felt comfortable with him.

I suppose if Claiborne failed here due to something that we missed because we didn't talk to him, I'd understand people's obsession with this. But that didn't happen. Not even a little bit.

Again: Our team talked to Randy Gregory before that waste of a pick. They did their homework and signed off on Josh Brent, who would go on to literally kill a teammate. You act like the wizards in our front office can magically predict the future and weed out any and all bad picks and bad people by simply interviewing them. All evidence to the contrary. When we like a guy on film, we have a funny way of rubber-stamping the guy even if he's a druggie or a wife-beater or whatever else.

Do me a favor and tell me what those rubber-stamp interviewers in our front office would've discovered during the interview with Claiborne that prevents us from drafting him. Go ahead. I'll wait for your answer.

 

[Verdict]

I wouldn't have ever taken Jaylon were we did. Maybe in the 3rd. But not a chance in the second.

Gregory was an unnecessary risk.

Getting Mo was not bone headed. He was pretty much universally considered a top 5 pick and the best corner in the draft. He was a consensus stud. He didn't pan out but it wasn't a ridiculous move. The funny thing about this is there are a ton of the same people that poo poo the Claiborne pick that say we should have taken Ramsey, who was considered a CB/S tweener coming out.

Ramsey and Claiborne were very similar to me. I think the difference between Claiborne and Ramsey are health and intelligence.

 

[Verdict]

If Jaylon is a great player next year then how could the pick possibly be considered a fail?

Other than that I agree with your other points

I see both sides of that coin. Jaylon will need to be an above average player and sign a second contract to justify the pick, or become a world beater next year if he doesn't sign a second contract to have been worthy of a high second round pick.

 

[DogFace]

lol
I know I got you

I bet you do. You’re extremely clever

 

[Verdict]

So no one thinks some of the other WR’s benefit A LOT from having Dez on the field? As much as analytics plays a role in sports, there still is strategy and the human element involved as well.

Is Dez overpaid? Yes. But what’s the alternative, you don’t resign him, allocate the money to defense and now T Williams is your #1 WR and Butler is #2?

The offense isn’t our problem. Give me the WR that commands the attention Dez does, who will still get his, and has the ability to take ANY game over despite who’s covering him. Not saying he will, but he has the ability to, and come playoff time, you need that.

No. I don't think the other receivers benefit from having Dez on the field. In fact they are probably better off without him most of the time.

 

[visionary]

I understand why you interview a guy. But I also understand that in sports, where the potential employer can watch tape of every minute of you doing your job, the game film is the real evaluation. And we studied his tape. And we did the standard background-check stuff. We had ties to his boss at LSU so we already had the goods on his work ethic and his approach and his attitude. We liked his tape and we liked the scoop we got from Les Miles. At that point, what are you saying comes out in the interview to stop us from picking him? The team probably didn't want to signal that they were after the guy (since we've been known to cost ourselves targets because we often aren't smart about being discreet when we're after a kid). And since they loved his film and loved what they'd heard from Miles, probably already felt comfortable with him.

I suppose if Claiborne failed here due to something that we missed because we didn't talk to him, I'd understand people's obsession with this. But that didn't happen. Not even a little bit.

Again: Our team talked to Randy Gregory before that waste of a pick. They did their homework and signed off on Josh Brent, who would go on to literally kill a teammate. You act like the wizards in our front office can magically predict the future and weed out any and all bad picks and bad people by simply interviewing them. All evidence to the contrary. When we like a guy on film, we have a funny way of rubber-stamping the guy even if he's a druggie or a wife-beater or whatever else.

Do me a favor and tell me what those rubber-stamp interviewers in our front office would've discovered during the interview with Claiborne that prevents us from drafting him. Go ahead. I'll wait for your answer.

That he is dumb as a rock
Why do you think Fisher called Jerry to trade the pick? He knows no one else would do it and Jerry is an idiot who would

 

[Verdict]

I don't think anyone would have been mad about taking Mo at our original pick (14) that year; the issue is the trade that cost us a 2nd (would have been Bobby Wagner by the way). Jalen was available to us without any additional draft capital so the situations aren't really an accurate comparison.

The selection would have been the same. The diffference in cost would be different. But we actually got value in the trade up. It's really very similar.

 

[Verdict]

On the flip side, if we have a great coaching staff why can't they "utilize Dez properly".

That is the number 1 excuse I hear

So they're great in everything else except when it comes to utilizing Dez. There they just fail

Sort of like Dak
He is good throwing to every other receiver except Dez
There he is just bad

It is a mystery to be sure
But none of this can possibly be Dez's fault

They absolutely will not put anything on Dez. It's just not in their DNA to put any blame on him regardless

 

[Verdict]

So our coaching staff is atrocious and cant gameplan for **** nor has the evaluation skills to get the best people on the field. Wow, that is a different angle

The worst game plan we have is "force it to Dez" to "get him going". It's far worse than the "Dez you aren't going to get anything thrown your way until you can get open" game plan that I would advocate.

 

[Verdict]

I don't think anyone would have been mad about taking Mo at our original pick (14) that year; the issue is the trade that cost us a 2nd (would have been Bobby Wagner by the way). Jalen was available to us without any additional draft capital so the situations aren't really an accurate comparison.

Yeah it stings if you look at it that way. It's good that the Cowboys were high on Wagner. No one knew he would be that good though or that Mo would struggle like he did. Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Verdict]

I'm mostly serious. Lol.

 

[bayeslife]

I see both sides of that coin. Jaylon will need to be an above average player and sign a second contract to justify the pick, or become a world beater next year if he doesn't sign a second contract to have been worthy of a high second round pick.

I don’t think there’s any scenario that even as an above average Mike we would let Jaylon walk

 

[diefree666]

I don't understand the obsession with whether he was interviewed.

He didn't fail here for character or attitude reasons, like the kind of things that might have theoretically shown themselves in an interview. And, frankly, given our ties to Les Miles, I'm sure we got the scoop on all that anyway and we felt comfortable that he was all good on that front. He just didn't fail for any reason that would've come to light in a canned interview.

P.S.: If you think our front office talking to a guy endows them with the magic power to predict his future, I'd just remind you that the personnel people interviewing him also would've been roughly the same people who interviewed and signed off on garbage like Gregory, Hardy, Brent, or any other nightmare character we let into our orbit. What crack staff of interviewers are you upset never got the chance to rubber stamp the kid like they rubber stamp literally everybody else who played well and showed some good film?

so don't bother to talk to anyone then. You really do not get it; it is not JUST that he was not interviewed they also did not look his game tape or anything else over real good like they do with first rd picks they are really interested in and think they have a shot at. He was NOT vetted. Bottom line.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I don't understand the obsession with whether he was interviewed.

He didn't fail here for character or attitude reasons, like the kind of things that might have theoretically shown themselves in an interview. And, frankly, given our ties to Les Miles, I'm sure we got the scoop on all that anyway and we felt comfortable that he was all good on that front. He just didn't fail for any reason that would've come to light in a canned interview.

P.S.: If you think our front office talking to a guy endows them with the magic power to predict his future, I'd just remind you that the personnel people interviewing him also would've been roughly the same people who interviewed and signed off on garbage like Gregory, Hardy, Brent, or any other nightmare character we let into our orbit. What crack staff of interviewers are you upset never got the chance to rubber stamp the kid like they rubber stamp literally everybody else who played well and showed some good film?

SteamedSoup?