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dbair1967

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Star No. 2 WR is luxury, not necessity
Superstar columnist Jean-Jacques Taylor writes that Jason Garrett's job is a whole lot tougher without Terry Glenn on the field.

That's certainly true, but it's been proven that this passing scheme doesn't need a second star receiver to produce. Just look at the 1990s Cowboys. As noted by Hall of Fame scribe Rick "Goose" Gosselin, Michael Irvin never played with another premier receiver.

The Cowboys won their last Super Bowl with Kevin Williams as a No. 2 receiver. Patrick Crayton is at least his equal. Jason Witten fills the Jay Novacek role. Granted, Julius Jones plus Marion Barber does not equal Emmitt Smith, but the Cowboys ought to be able to run the ball well enough to force foes into some eight-man fronts.

Irvin had the best season of his career that year, catching 111 passes for 1,603 yards and 10 TDs. If T.O. produces a career year, the Cowboys are NFC contenders, with or without Glenn. It's Garrett's job to put T.O. in positions to do that.
 

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And if you wonder how T.O. will do without a good #2 WR opposite him, look at what he did in Philly with Alligator Arms Pinkston on the other side.
 

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dbair1967;1628454 said:
Star No. 2 WR is luxury, not necessity
Superstar columnist Jean-Jacques Taylor writes that Jason Garrett's job is a whole lot tougher without Terry Glenn on the field.

That's certainly true, but it's been proven that this passing scheme doesn't need a second star receiver to produce. Just look at the 1990s Cowboys. As noted by Hall of Fame scribe Rick "Goose" Gosselin, Michael Irvin never played with another premier receiver.

The Cowboys won their last Super Bowl with Kevin Williams as a No. 2 receiver. Patrick Crayton is at least his equal. Jason Witten fills the Jay Novacek role. Granted, Julius Jones plus Marion Barber does not equal Emmitt Smith, but the Cowboys ought to be able to run the ball well enough to force foes into some eight-man fronts.

Irvin had the best season of his career that year, catching 111 passes for 1,603 yards and 10 TDs. If T.O. produces a career year, the Cowboys are NFC contenders, with or without Glenn. It's Garrett's job to put T.O. in positions to do that.




Thank you

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Exactly


Garrett has had Glenn to work with anyways... you cant miss what you never had.

I have alot faith in Garrett... dont ask why... I just do. Maybe its because he was around and part of the great dynasty. There are not too many out there coaching that were part of that greatness.

I think it will be easy for Garrett. He KNOWS what works. He has SEEN what works. He got in the game more than once and MADE IT WORK(Holla Green Bay)
 

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I don't know how you define "premier", but Alvin Harper was a damn good complement. Forget what he did with Tampa -- Harper was extremely talented and miles better than Crayton.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1628463 said:
I don't know how you define "premier", but Alvin Harper was a damn good complement. Forget what he did with Tampa -- Harper was extremely talented and miles better than Crayton.

If you mean by talented that he disappeared for long stretches of time in the offense and was obnoxiously overrated because of a single skinny post route in a playoff game then I agree with you.

Why should we jsut ignore his abject failure on leaving the Cowboys?
 

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Chocolate Lab;1628463 said:
I don't know how you define "premier", but Alvin Harper was a damn good complement. Forget what he did with Tampa -- Harper was extremely talented and miles better than Crayton.

he was definitely more explosive, but he was also inconsistent and was not very good in the lockerroom

I remember the day we lost to SF after the 94 Championship Game...players were depressed and down about the loss, but Harper (who was benched because he played terrible that day) was boasting about how much money he was about to get in free agency and how he was going to be a dominant WR elsewhere

he was this close <> to be part of a 94 draft day trade (with the Rams I think) that would have netted us Willie McGinest

David
 

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dbair1967;1628454 said:
Star No. 2 WR is luxury, not necessity
Superstar columnist Jean-Jacques Taylor writes that Jason Garrett's job is a whole lot tougher without Terry Glenn on the field.

That's certainly true, but it's been proven that this passing scheme doesn't need a second star receiver to produce. Just look at the 1990s Cowboys. As noted by Hall of Fame scribe Rick "Goose" Gosselin, Michael Irvin never played with another premier receiver.

The Cowboys won their last Super Bowl with Kevin Williams as a No. 2 receiver. Patrick Crayton is at least his equal. Jason Witten fills the Jay Novacek role. Granted, Julius Jones plus Marion Barber does not equal Emmitt Smith, but the Cowboys ought to be able to run the ball well enough to force foes into some eight-man fronts.

Irvin had the best season of his career that year, catching 111 passes for 1,603 yards and 10 TDs. If T.O. produces a career year, the Cowboys are NFC contenders, with or without Glenn. It's Garrett's job to put T.O. in positions to do that.

With all due respect, Jason Garrett is not Norv Turner and Norv is one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL.
 

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SkinsFanMania;1628518 said:
With all due respect, Jason Garrett is not Norv Turner and Norv is one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL.

...you do realize that he started his career under Norv, right? That Garret is running a playbook with Norv's fingerprints all over it? Just a hunch, but he may have picked up on a few things.

Sure, he hasn't done anything yet, but he also hasn't had the chance.
 

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SkinsFanMania;1628518 said:
With all due respect, Jason Garrett is not Norv Turner and Norv is one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL.

Have you heard of coaching trees? Look up Seiffert, Parcells, Dungy, etc. coaching trees.
 

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Alvin Harper was a deep threat and not much else. Patrick Crayton is not a burner in the least., But he is a damn good reciever at what he does. If he hits the free agent market, he will AT LEAST command what David Givens got in Tennessee. Though in all likelyhood, Crayton will be staying with us since Glenn is probably done.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1628473 said:
If you mean by talented that he disappeared for long stretches of time in the offense and was obnoxiously overrated because of a single skinny post route in a playoff game then I agree with you.

Why should we jsut ignore his abject failure on leaving the Cowboys?

I think he did more than that one play, sorry.

And you ignore his failure at the Bucs for the purpose of this thread because we're talking about how good he was while he was here.
 

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SkinsFanMania;1628518 said:
With all due respect, Jason Garrett is not Norv Turner and Norv is one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL.

how many high-ranking offenses has Norv directed since leaving the Cowboys?

not many

you can't do squat as a coordinator if you don't have the talent and the execution, we have the talent, w/ or w/o Glenn, maybe not as much as w/ Glenn, but still talented w/o him nonetheless, the execution remains to be seen
 

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Chocolate Lab;1628463 said:
I don't know how you define "premier", but Alvin Harper was a damn good complement. Forget what he did with Tampa -- Harper was extremely talented and miles better than Crayton.


Harper faster than Crayton? Absolutely. Other than that, no comparision. Crayton has much better hands and route running skills, and is holding down more responsibilities on the team (Punt returner. Emergency QB. Capable of playing all three WR positions).
 

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The disparity betwixt that offensive line and this OL is the kicker that makes that comparison shaky. With the former OL we could run it down their throats, or protect Aikman while he rips apart the D sec-- they were dominant. I like this OL more and more, but they are not dominant. Huge difference.
 

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dbair1967;1628454 said:
Star No. 2 WR is luxury, not necessity
Superstar columnist Jean-Jacques Taylor writes that Jason Garrett's job is a whole lot tougher without Terry Glenn on the field.

That's certainly true, but it's been proven that this passing scheme doesn't need a second star receiver to produce. Just look at the 1990s Cowboys. As noted by Hall of Fame scribe Rick "Goose" Gosselin, Michael Irvin never played with another premier receiver.

The Cowboys won their last Super Bowl with Kevin Williams as a No. 2 receiver. Patrick Crayton is at least his equal. Jason Witten fills the Jay Novacek role. Granted, Julius Jones plus Marion Barber does not equal Emmitt Smith, but the Cowboys ought to be able to run the ball well enough to force foes into some eight-man fronts.

Irvin had the best season of his career that year, catching 111 passes for 1,603 yards and 10 TDs. If T.O. produces a career year, the Cowboys are NFC contenders, with or without Glenn. It's Garrett's job to put T.O. in positions to do that.

Enough with the positive posts already............this is a lost season. Let's start talking draft. Don't you know we have no chance without Glenn and Ellis. Newman will be playing with a gimpy heel, and Burnett is injured agian. Let's throw in the towel, waive the white flag.

If you want to post something positive, go elsewhere. This board if for doom and gloom, the sky is falling crowd. Garrett is not Norv, Romo is not McNabb, Crayton is not Harper, Julius is not Emmitt, TO is not Irvin and Witten is not Gates. Quit trying to campare them.

Enough already....you are really pi$$ing us all off.
 

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arglebargle;1628584 said:
Harper faster than Crayton? Absolutely. Other than that, no comparision. Crayton has much better hands and route running skills, and is holding down more responsibilities on the team (Punt returner. Emergency QB. Capable of playing all three WR positions).

Crayton is much better then Harper, All Harper did was catch the long ball and thats it. Crayton can catch the long ball, runs great crossing routes over the middle, Sure handed, always makes the 3rd down catch for the 1st, blocks better, and always gets open in key situations.. It's not even close that Crayton is better then Harper..
 

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dbair1967;1628454 said:
Star No. 2 WR is luxury, not necessity
Superstar columnist Jean-Jacques Taylor writes that Jason Garrett's job is a whole lot tougher without Terry Glenn on the field.

That's certainly true, but it's been proven that this passing scheme doesn't need a second star receiver to produce. Just look at the 1990s Cowboys. As noted by Hall of Fame scribe Rick "Goose" Gosselin, Michael Irvin never played with another premier receiver.

The Cowboys won their last Super Bowl with Kevin Williams as a No. 2 receiver. Patrick Crayton is at least his equal. Jason Witten fills the Jay Novacek role. Granted, Julius Jones plus Marion Barber does not equal Emmitt Smith, but the Cowboys ought to be able to run the ball well enough to force foes into some eight-man fronts.

Irvin had the best season of his career that year, catching 111 passes for 1,603 yards and 10 TDs. If T.O. produces a career year, the Cowboys are NFC contenders, with or without Glenn. It's Garrett's job to put T.O. in positions to do that.

I wrote this very thing in the JJT article thread.
 

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Owens and Crayton are more than a serviceable tandem and should Glenn return in a few weeks or by mid-season he will be an added boost to the receiving arsenal.

I am confident that Hurd and Austin will be there to make enough plays as secondary targets to contribute and that Stanback can follow their lead.

As long as there are no more injuries i still expect an 11-5 record from this team.
 

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SkinsFanMania;1628518 said:
With all due respect, Jason Garrett is not Norv Turner and Norv is one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL.

and Norv Turner wasnt the coordinator that yr, Ernie Zampese was

now go back to your Deadskin hole

David
 
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