Goodell's discipline backfiring?

[Hardline]

The war on drugs has been, is and always will be futile, whether we're talking about the NFL or the general public. The Just Say No campaign: FAIL. D.A.R.E.: FAIL. All the suspensions handed out by Goodell: FAIL.

There's never been a war on drugs. If there were special forces would be assassinating drug lords and Columbian jungles would be on fire.

 

[gmoney112]

Backfiring? Against what?

Goodells sole purpose is to be an easily influenced figurehead representing the NE Owners interests. The Mara's, Kraft's, Rooney's.

He was only a candidate because his main interests include being a socialite in the NE Rotary Club.

The fact that outside of these teams his rulings are typically laughably bad, just goes to show how qualified he really is for the position, but much like the Head of Officiating who never actually had any real experience, that was never his 'job' in the first place.

 

[CWR]

I'd rather they take their time and get it right than do it fast and wrong

You assume because they are taking thier time they will get it right. Unless there is some evidence of his wrong doing the only thing they are accomplishing is continuing to drag him through the mud. Honestly, how could it possibly take this long? You act as if they have a team of people scouring day and night for evidence. BS, they've either got something or they dont. No excuse for this to take over a year. This isnt cold case lol.

 

[CWR]

Get the subject matter right first...who said that Zeke shouldn't be punished if he violated a law. He didn't end up in violation, and for legal reasons. The NFL should listen, as they are entering grounds of heresay evidence. As to privileges and 'special' punishments...(cough, cough) Tom Brady and the Patriots come to mind. In compliance to rules at the lock out, Dallas was fined heavily...

The "subject matter" I was speaking about was ZEKE. That is the quote you replied too. If you were referencing other players you didnt say so and I didnt know.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

I like to be as cynical towards the NFL management as anyone, but based on the length of the investigation, I suspect there is a little more to this than meets the eye. If this was as big of a nothing burger as it appears from the outside, I believe it would have been resolved pretty quickly.

 

[blindzebra]

You assume because they are taking thier time they will get it right. Unless there is some evidence of his wrong doing the only thing they are accomplishing is continuing to drag him through the mud. Honestly, how could it possibly take this long? You act as if they have a team of people scouring day and night for evidence. BS, they've either got something or they dont. No excuse for this to take over a year. This isnt cold case lol.

When the person heading the investigation is a life-long Giants fan, I have zero faith that anything the NFL does to investigate Dallas is on the up and up.

 

[CCBoy]

The "subject matter" I was speaking about was ZEKE. That is the quote you replied too. If you were referencing other players you didnt say so and I didnt know.

Let's get this straight...I commented in reference to why Zeke would be used as a whipping boy. If that is a strain for you to understand my direction taken, then I won't touch a comment by you again. It really wasn't rocket science, as to why abuse is involved.

 

[blindzebra]

I like to be as cynical towards the NFL management as anyone, but based on the length of the investigation, I suspect there is a little more to this than meets the eye. If this was as big of a nothing burger as it appears from the outside, I believe it would have been resolved pretty quickly.

Not when the person investigating is a Giants fan. The amount of time is for them to eventually find something that they can hang a suspension on and nothing more. Brown had 20 DV calls to the police against him and the NFL provided his wife security at the Pro Bowl and they took a less than a week to investigate and give him a 1 game suspension.

Anything that hurts the Giants goes away fast, anything that helps them drags on and on.

 

[lockster]

Preface this by saying I despise Goodell and what he has done to the NFL... but objectively, hasn't his drug and personal conduct policy done more to demonstrate to the world how pervasive the problems are and that his "deterrence" by suspensions simply does not work? I don't have the stats, but seems to me that the number of drug and personal conduct violations have increased, rather than decreased, since he took office. So what has he achieved? Nothing. Other than alienating fan bases. I long for the days of Paul Tagliabue when there was no marijuana testing and when players acted foolishly, the only repercussion was the criminal justice system or paying a big settlement in civil court to the accuser.

The league has no business discipline players for off the field activities, we have a justice system for that. The league certainly isn't very just. To get disciplined by both league and state is so unconstitutional. That's double indemnity. Besides, the league makes money from alcohol sales, so they are part of the problem they are trying to discipline. Like it's fine to make money off a product that destroys many ppls. lives, and then to turn around and want to administer discipline for anything drug related is so hypocritical, and Satanic in nature. If it's a drug related to performance, then I'm totally in their court. The last thing the NFL is , is a business of any level of morality, so why are they even in the business of off the field discipline of any behaviors? The different levels they are hypocrites are many, this is just one.

 

[haleyrules]

If anything he puts a spotlight on these players and makes the publics perception of the league worse. Im fine with players being penalized when warranted but this Zeke deals is absurd and the league is getting nothing but bad publicity out of it. The marijuana testing is also needless.

Amen.

 

[blindzebra]

The league has no business discipline players for off the field activities, we have a justice system for that. The league certainly isn't very just. To get disciplined by both league and state is so unconstitutional. That's double indemnity. Besides, the league makes money from alcohol sales, so they are part of the problem they are trying to discipline. Like it's fine to make money off a product that destroys many ppls. lives, and then to turn around and want to administer discipline for anything drug related is so hypocritical, and Satanic in nature. If it's a drug related to performance, then I'm totally in their court. The last thing the NFL is , is a business of any level of morality, so why are they even in the business of off the field discipline of any behaviors? The different levels they are hypocrites are many, this is just one.

Especially when they hand out opiates like candy, but won't allow marijuana for pain control.

 

[Setackin]

When it comes to drugs in the NFL - You can take the Athlete out of the Ghetto, but you cant take the Ghetto out of the Athlete.

Wow... Wonder who u voted for...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Preface this by saying I despise Goodell and what he has done to the NFL... but objectively, hasn't his drug and personal conduct policy done more to demonstrate to the world how pervasive the problems are and that his "deterrence" by suspensions simply does not work? I don't have the stats, but seems to me that the number of drug and personal conduct violations have increased, rather than decreased, since he took office. So what has he achieved? Nothing. Other than alienating fan bases. I long for the days of Paul Tagliabue when there was no marijuana testing and when players acted foolishly, the only repercussion was the criminal justice system or paying a big settlement in civil court to the accuser.

1) Acknowledge you don't have the facts.

2) Make assertion anyways that is dependent on aforementioned facts.

3) ...........

4) ...........

5) Profit

 

[Toruk_Makto]

When it comes to drugs in the NFL - You can take the Athlete out of the Ghetto, but you cant take the Ghetto out of the Athlete.

It has been studied and shown that Americans irrespective of racial divide and socioeconomic status abuse drugs at a near identical rate.

Don't you hate when facts get in the way of an argument?

 

[CWR]

Let's get this straight...I commented in reference to why Zeke would be used as a whipping boy. If that is a strain for you to understand my direction taken, then I won't touch a comment by you again. It really wasn't rocket science, as to why abuse is involved.

You mad bro? Why so sassy? Keep your shirt on, its not my fault your incoherent babble is hard to comprehend. Please do place me on ignore. I have no desire to deal with your bad attitude. We are all Cowboy fans here. No reason to start hurling insults.

 

[plasticman]

Oh wow man, like, I have the answer.

Dig this:

No more suspensions for marijuana. It will not only decrease the suspensions for marijuana but it will also mello out the violence,

I mean, like, the Man should be hip to the idea that pot puts you in this heavy, far out meditative state where everyone embraces peace and love.

All I'm saying is, give weed a chance.

 

[CCBoy]

You mad bro? Why so sassy? Keep your shirt on, its not my fault your incoherent babble is hard to comprehend. Please do place me on ignore. I have no desire to deal with your bad attitude. We are all Cowboy fans here. No reason to start hurling insults.

If you choose to not understand...then just leave the beep, beeps out...as if you DON'T understand. Good bye now...cry on your own dime.

 

[CWR]

If you choose to not understand...then just leave the beep, beeps out...as if you DON'T understand. Good bye now...cry on your own dime.

Lol, good luck with your friendly demeanor xoxo.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think being tougher on discipline was about reducing the amount of violations and off the field crime as it was about the NFL being perceived as not enabling the players and in essence...a PR move.

I think it's still the right idea...hold players to a high standard.

The big issue in all of this is that Goodell is completely clueless and wayyy over his head in doling out punishment.

If you look at any area of the country where the laws have been made stricter with tougher penalties...it's always a problem if the governing body thinks that the change in the law will resolve all problems. In order to effectively make a change it requires not only a change in the laws, but a change in education, rehabilitation and general care.





YR

 

[xwalker]

Preface this by saying I despise Goodell and what he has done to the NFL... but objectively, hasn't his drug and personal conduct policy done more to demonstrate to the world how pervasive the problems are and that his "deterrence" by suspensions simply does not work? I don't have the stats, but seems to me that the number of drug and personal conduct violations have increased, rather than decreased, since he took office. So what has he achieved? Nothing. Other than alienating fan bases. I long for the days of Paul Tagliabue when there was no marijuana testing and when players acted foolishly, the only repercussion was the criminal justice system or paying a big settlement in civil court to the accuser.

Yes, the rules just make the league look bad.

Regular fans would never know or care that Randy Gregory was smoking weed if not for the rules.

On other discipline issues, it would be much easier to defer to the judicial system. The league punishment could be tied directly to the legal punishment which would keep the league from looking stupid when the give different players different punishment for what appears to be similar infractions. The problem would be in situations like Ray Rice where everyone saw the video. Waiting on the judicial system would be next to impossible in that situation.

Greg Hardy might be a terrible person, I don't really know; however, he was suspended for a complete year for something that he received zero punishment from the league. He did get paid while out, but many players get a bad deal in those situations. Even being on paid leave is not good for a player's career.

Legit performance enhancing drugs should be the only substance related issue that results in league punishment. Even that is now silly because they get guys like Irving for something that was low enough quantity and strength that he can say it was contained in a legal supplement. The Lyle Alzado type "performance enhancers" could never have been passed off as something you took by accident. Those were true performance enhancers. A 210 pound college LB running a 4.8 forty could be 250 and running a 4.6 within a year with the Lyle Alzado type drugs. Just think what Doug Free would have looked like on the Tony Mandarich chemical enhancement program. You can take all the Ritalin/Adderall, etc.. that you want and it won't still give you the Barry Bonds/Lyle Alzado/Tony Mandarich/Brian Bosworth type of performance enhancement.

Unfortunately for Bosworth he forgot that he quit the roids and that Bo Jackson was born with something you can't get from all the Deca Durabolin, Clenbuterol, Dianabol, etc.. in the world.