Goose's final mock?... Post#12

[DeaconBlues]

Dez as the best player available. I just don't believe he'll fall - at the very least, someone will move up to get him.

 

[dcfanatic]

No way Miami takes WR Thomas at 12. now that they have Marshal. BP will never make that pick.

Nah bro.

I spoke to his agent yesterday because I was setting up some post draft interviews with players I think the Cowboys could go after and he handle Nate Allen as well.

Said that the love for Demaryius is real and some think he is in the mold of a young Terrell Owens (skills), but that he has very good hands. Teams aren't worried about him playing in that Ga. Tech offense and they know the injury thing is temporary.

Now that's his agent who is gassing him up. But he had no reason to gas him up to me.

And this came when I said the Cowboys may be interested in Thomas if he fell. Right away he said there is no way he's there at #27.

I think Thomas could be the guy who goes way higher than expceted by most.

 

[7footer]

Hmmmm...

I know Gosselin is supposedly the most accurate mock drafter there is...but this list looks off to me, especially with Earl Thomas going at #22 and Dallas moving up to select Dez Bryant.

I think there is a good possibility that we would draft Bryant if he just happened to fal in our laps, but WR is not a position of need for us right now. Safety and OL most definitely are, and I find it much more likely that we address one of those positions in the first round than WR.

Besides, unless Jerry was blowing smoke (possible), he already stated that he liked where we're at regarding WR, and that a first round pick at that position was doubtful. I agree with that assessment, especially with one of the best receivers in the league as our #1 (Austin), and another receiver that we have $9mil already tied up in this season who was SUPPOSED to be our #1. Let's also not forget about our young up-n-commer Ogeltree, who I think deserves more chances to produce this year as well.

Moving up for Bryant just doesn't make any sense to me, even if he is an incredible talent. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out tomorrow...

 

[Aikbach]

Dez Bryant isn't Randy Moss though.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I just don't think WR in the first makes sense on this team. Really don't.

I'm still a believer in Roy, but with a group that's strong already, it doesn't make much sense.

Austin
Williams
Crayton
Bryant
OTree

plus Witten and the RBs

There are only so many footballs to go around.

I disagree. I don't think you can ever get too strong at that position. I still think the receiving core is suspect. I'm not sure if we really know what we have in Austin. Last season he was a Pro Bowler. But its not uncommon for guys to fall off after their first year of dominance. Teams will be gameplanning for him. I also haven't written Roy off as well because I think he can be a solid contributor for us. But I'm of the belief that Dez Bryant hast he potential to be one of the best receivers in the league. And he can help in special teams. There's a role for him on this team. Similar to how the Vikings used Percy Harvin. Just a beast.

But if there is concern about his off the field attitude then they don't need to go that route. But I myself question how much of his off the field stuff is being overblown.

 

[hendog]

I would give the bengals MartyB and #27 for #21 to pick ET faster than Tellus could tweet a speeding bullet.

And the Bengals would be stupid not to take it.

 

[dbair1967]

Surely we'd pick Earl Thomas ahead of Bryant.

He has Thomas going much later than I thought he would, so maybe there's a chance.

 

[dbair1967]

His mock had a score of 43 last year, which is below his average and still finished in the top 10 out of the 99 analysts' mocks scored by The Huddle Report.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/mockdraftscoring.shtml

See who is ranked No. 1 over the past three years? Gosselin. It's been that way pretty much over every three-year period since THR has been grading mock drafts. And he has had THE No. 1 top 100 every single year.

Goose is good for two things: his top 100 and his mock drafts. His draft grades, on the other hand, are a big pile of garbage.

No doubt. I've emailed him numerous times over the years slamming him for what seems to be some mindless grading, and alot of times he goes against his own top-100 when doing it. he never has a legit answer either.

But the top-100 itself is as accurate as it gets.

 

[dbair1967]

I would give the bengals MartyB and #27 for #21 to pick ET faster than Tellus could tweet a speeding bullet.

And the Bengals would be stupid not to take it.

Of course they'd take that trade, but we'd be incredibly stupid to do that and get nothing else in return.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Of course they'd take that trade, but we'd be incredibly stupid to do that and get nothing else in return.

Agree....that's an awful deal.

 

[starfrombirth]

If the Cowboys have researched Bryant's problems and don't have a problem with it, and apparently according to Stephen he hasn't been taken off their board, you take Bryant and don't think twice about it. You can find safeties anywhere in the draft. Rarely if ever do you have a Top 10 talent land in your lap at 27.

Personally, I don't think he gets past New England at 22. In this scenerio, the Cowboys could use Marty B as trade ammo for Cincy's #21 pick. Maybe even Spears too .... Zimmer coached him here, and they could use a strong side end as Odom is recovering from a ruptured achilles or maybe even slide Spears down to a 3 tech defensive end. Cincy could then take Mays or Nate Allen at 27. Cincy's 3 biggest needs are TE, S and DE ... they could address all three with one pick. Dallas gets to move up 6 spaces to take their superstar WR and still have all their remaining picks to address FS and OT in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It makes so much sense on paper it could never, never, never happen in the real world.

Roshi, this would never happen. Cinci's WR needs are even bigger than ours. All they have left is an aging Ocho Cinco. And why would we do that for a wr when that isn't our issue. Our offensive woes came from not being able to punch it in when we got close to the goal line. That is an issue of the oline thus we take Iupoti or Pouncy. If by some god given chance Earl Thomas falls then you take him. His talent and instincts are phenomenol. I think he is better than Berry. But either way, if safety is what the team is looking at then we have to look at trading down or picking at #27. There is not a single safety that will last until our pick in the 2nd that is better or even as good as what we have. Sorry but we have to pull the trigger and not wait.

 

[dbair1967]

Roshi, this would never happen. Cinci's WR needs are even bigger than ours. All they have left is an aging Ocho Cinco. And why would we do that for a wr when that isn't our issue. Our offensive woes came from not being able to punch it in when we got close to the goal line. That is an issue of the oline thus we take Iupoti or Pouncy. If by some god given chance Earl Thomas falls then you take him. His talent and instincts are phenomenol. I think he is better than Berry. But either way, if safety is what the team is looking at then we have to look at trading down or picking at #27. There is not a single safety that will last until our pick in the 2nd that is better or even as good as what we have. Sorry but we have to pull the trigger and not wait.

Cinci did sign Anntio Bryant to start opp Johnson, and they had drafted a number of receivers pretty early the past few years.

 

[starfrombirth]

Cinci did sign Anntio Bryant to start opp Johnson, and they had drafted a number of receivers pretty early the past few years.

I'm just not sold on Bryant being better than what we have here but Cinci's corp (even with A. Bryant) is nothing special. I don't see the disparity being so huge that Cinci would be willing to let someone else draft him. But that's just me.

 

[Section446]

Dez Bryant, Wide receiver, Oklahoma State
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedcontent/dws/img/standing/sports/logos/football/circlelogo-dal.gif Bryant won't slide to the Cowboys at 27, so look for Jerry Jones to move up if Bryant tumbles deep into the teens. Bryant has immaturity issues that are scaring teams off. Jones still regrets passing on Randy Moss.
Other needs: LT, S, WR, Youth on OL


http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedc...oys/stories/042210dnspogoosemock.3cacf47.html

 

[InmanRoshi]

Roshi, this would never happen. Cinci's WR needs are even bigger than ours. All they have left is an aging Ocho Cinco. And why would we do that for a wr when that isn't our issue. Our offensive woes came from not being able to punch it in when we got close to the goal line. That is an issue of the oline thus we take Iupoti or Pouncy. If by some god given chance Earl Thomas falls then you take him. His talent and instincts are phenomenol. I think he is better than Berry. But either way, if safety is what the team is looking at then we have to look at trading down or picking at #27. There is not a single safety that will last until our pick in the 2nd that is better or even as good as what we have. Sorry but we have to pull the trigger and not wait.

Cincy signed Antonio Bryant and Matt Jones over the offseason. This is to go along with the young players they've drafted in recent years. Their beatwriters and Goose agree ... their biggest needs are TE, S and DL. Not WR.



And I disagree that WR isn't one of our priority needs. Dallas brought in almost every highly rated WR in the draft for an official visit. They're only allowed so many personal visits, and you don't don't invest that much energy and time at one position if you don't consider it a need. I think Roy Williams is a starter in name only this year, who probably gets substituted out a lot, and he's gone after this year to clear his salary off the books. Then who replaces him? Who takes pressure off of Miles Austin. Who plays if Austin, who has a long history of injury problems, gets hurt?


I guess I just look at the first round different than most. I don't draft in the first round just to plug a hole. I plug holes in free agency and in the mid rounds of the draft. That's what they're for. Passing a great talent with a "solid" prospect that fills a hole is how you end up drafting Greg Ellis over Randy Moss. The first round is for finding special talents, because that's the only time you can find them. They don't hit free agency and they generally don't fall to the late rounds. In the first round, I want the guy who is going to keep opposing coaches tossing and turning at night on game week. I want the guy who is most likely to end up on the Ring of Honor. To me, that's Dez Bryant much more than it is Earl Thomas .... and I watch A LOT of Big XII football, and I've seen them both play more times than I can count. Earl Thomas is really good, but Dez Bryant is a superstar. If we end up with Dez Bryant in this draft, Commander/Giant/Philly fans are going to be sick all over themselves. If we end up with Earl Thomas they think "solid pick" and move on.

 

[Section446]

Already posted, sorry.

 

[SMCowboy]

Hmmmm...

I know Gosselin is supposedly the most accurate mock drafter there is...but this list looks off to me, especially with Earl Thomas going at #22 and Dallas moving up to select Dez Bryant.

I think there is a good possibility that we would draft Bryant if he just happened to fal in our laps, but WR is not a position of need for us right now. Safety and OL most definitely are, and I find it much more likely that we address one of those positions in the first round than WR.

Besides, unless Jerry was blowing smoke (possible), he already stated that he liked where we're at regarding WR, and that a first round pick at that position was doubtful. I agree with that assessment, especially with one of the best receivers in the league as our #1 (Austin), and another receiver that we have $9mil already tied up in this season who was SUPPOSED to be our #1. Let's also not forget about our young up-n-commer Ogeltree, who I think deserves more chances to produce this year as well.

Moving up for Bryant just doesn't make any sense to me, even if he is an incredible talent. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out tomorrow...

First off, a good way to tell when Jerry Jones is lying this time of year, is to see if his lips are moving.....

I would LOVE to have Earl Thomas, and think he would be a great player for us. But, I don't think he is the top 10 to 15 talent that some on here seem to think. Goose has him at #19 on his top 100, which really is not a major surprise. The one question I do have with Earl Thomas is his size. 5'10" is not real big for a safety.

 

[cobra]

I would be very happy with a Dez Bryant pick, depending on what we have to give up to get him.

If we could keep our 2nd this year, give me Dez Bryant and Vlad Ducasse, and I'll be a happy man.

 

[SMCowboy]

I'm just not sold on Bryant being better than what we have here but Cinci's corp (even with A. Bryant) is nothing special. I don't see the disparity being so huge that Cinci would be willing to let someone else draft him. But that's just me.

The sign Matt Jones AND Antonio Bryant as well has having Jerome Simpson who was a second round pick in 2008, and Andre Caldwell who was a 3rd round pick in 2008.

 

[TheRat]

what about Goose's list of top 100 players?