Gordon vs Coleman

[Doomsday101]

Has nothing to do with the fact he went to Miami. What he did while he was there was special. To out rush and out average the players on that list is extraordinary. You don't do that unless you are skilled and can carry a heavy workload.

My comment was players are being judged by their skills not based on the college they went to or what some other player did before him. I don't care what Ball did or did not do, they are scouting Gordon on his own merits. Gordon had 343 rushing attempts last season that shows some toughness on his part and he has good excelleration

As for Coleman I like him as well one of my so called pet cats but he will be judged by what he did not what any other RB who played for the Hoosiers. When people say you can't trust a Wisconsin RB? I can trust them as much as I would trust any other player off any other team but his rankings are based on his own physical talents.

 

[Doomsday101]

Good post.

That is an ugly list.

It does seem that Gordon might be a bit overrated. He looked really fast playing Bowling Green, and had a lot of success purely by outrunning defenders. When he went up against Ohio State that did work as well and he average 3x yard per carry.

and yet put up 408 yards vs Nebraska

 

[BlindFaith]

and yet put up 408 yards vs Nebraska

Awesome. How did he do against Western Illinois?

 

[Doomsday101]

Awesome. How did he do against Western Illinois?

I don't know but again scouts judge players on their own skills so who care what any other RB at Wis did, they are not in this draft Gordon is and they will and have judged him on his own skill sets. I have nothing bad at all to say about Coleman I like him would love to have him. I think both of these backs are very good along with Gurley

 

[BlindFaith]

I don't know but again scouts judge players on their own skills so who care what any other RB at Wis did, they are not in this draft Gordon is and they will and have judged him on his own skill sets. I have nothing bad at all to say about Coleman I like him would love to have him. I think both of these backs are very good along with Gurley

17/38 2.2 0 TD

 

[BlindFaith]

I don't know but again scouts judge players on their own skills so who care what any other RB at Wis did, they are not in this draft Gordon is and they will and have judged him on his own skill sets. I have nothing bad at all to say about Coleman I like him would love to have him. I think both of these backs are very good along with Gurley

What I'm trying to say here is that Wisconsin seems like a system that is very conducive to RBs putting up gaudy numbers in college, but yet doing absolutely nothing in the Pros.

While Miami has shown to be a system that turns out very successful RBs in the Pros.

 

[Doomsday101]

What I'm trying to say here is that Wisconsin seems like a system that is very conducive to RBs putting up gaudy numbers in college, but yet doing absolutely nothing in the Pros.

While Miami has shown to be a system that turns out very successful RBs in the Pros.

and again I don't go by programs I do not trust nor distrust a player based on the college he went too. It is about the individual skills a player has regardless of the college.

 

[locked&loaded]

17/38 2.2 0 TD

You probably didnt watch the games so Ill give you a quick run down. The game prior to that the Badgers were outplaying LSU. Gordon was tearing them up, then he got hurt. They didnt play him anymore, Badgers lost, people were mad, Gordon quietly said he could have kept playing. It was clear after the Western game, and much more clear now that Gordon wasnt right.

 

[BlindFaith]

You probably didnt watch the games so Ill give you a quick run down. The game prior to that the Badgers were outplaying LSU. Gordon was tearing them up, then he got hurt. They didnt play him anymore, Badgers lost, people were mad, Gordon quietly said he could have kept playing. It was clear after the Western game, and much more clear now that Gordon wasnt right.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...n-gordon-held-to-just-38-rushing-yards-in-win

Says minor hip injury. And he carried the ball one more time against Western Illinois than he did vs LSU. And I guess a few days later he was all better against Bowling Green. Give him that then, he's a quick healer. Or he just wasn't hurt that bad and had a bad game.

So was he hurt against Ohio State too?

 

[fishspill]

Quarterback U

University of Michigan[edit]
In recent years, sportswriters have mentioned several schools as being appropriate for the designation. A 2005 ESPN article cited that, since 1988, Michigan sent as many starting quarterbacks to the NFL as the University of Miami. It argued that "three yards and a cloud of dust" is no longer the offensive philosophy at Michigan.[34] A year later, Rivals.com proclaimed that Michigan was "the new Quarterback U."[35][36] Elvis Grbac, Todd Collins, Tom Brady, Jim Harbaugh, Brian Griese and Chad Henne are some of the Wolverine quarterbacks that have gone on to start in the NFL.[34]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback_U

And lumping in QB to this discussion isn't really fair. QBs in general tend to flame out in a much higher percentage than other positions. So much goes into being a good QB.

I kinda think that first paragraph makes my point for me (though Harbaugh was no slouch). Even presented a hundred instances of players at a given position flaming out at a given institution you still need to look at the player coming out individually. It's like saying you'll never take another LSU corner after the Mo debacle. Just too much faith in a general trend instead of observing the player's characteristics.

 

[locked&loaded]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...n-gordon-held-to-just-38-rushing-yards-in-win

Says minor hip injury. And he carried the ball one more time against Western Illinois than he did vs LSU. And I guess a few days later he was all better against Bowling Green. Give him that then, he's a quick healer. Or he just wasn't hurt that bad and had a bad game.

So was he hurt against Ohio State too?

A few days later? Man, he played Bowling Green TWO full weeks after Western... He clearly was hurt, or they wouldnt have taken Gordon out and risk losing to LSU (which they did, because...Gordon was out). He simply played hurt against Western, didnt play well, but its probably hard to get up for a game like that when you are hurt.

Ohio State? Another game you clearly did not watch. Had you have watched that game, or the draftbreakdown video of it you would know that almost 100% of the time Gordon wasnt touched in the backfield he gained around 10 yards. Gordon Carried the ball 26 times that game and had to juke, was hit, or broke through a tackle/tackles behind the line of scrimmage 16 times! 16 times out of 26! Wisconsins line got absolutely pummeled that game.

 

[Alexander]

From BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1:

• A running back prospect who has the potential to slide is Indiana's Tevin Coleman. Sources say that teams like Coleman as a player but they have some medical concerns about a condition that could impact his stamina. Some teams also aren't sure that he will be able to play in high altitude conditions like Denver. Similar conditions have affected other players like veteran safety Ryan Clark. Coleman is a talented back, but there is a possibility that he slides in day two.

http://www.BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/nfldraftrumormill.php

 

[Plankton]

From BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1:

• A running back prospect who has the potential to slide is Indiana's Tevin Coleman. Sources say that teams like Coleman as a player but they have some medical concerns about a condition that could impact his stamina. Some teams also aren't sure that he will be able to play in high altitude conditions like Denver. Similar conditions have affected other players like veteran safety Ryan Clark. Coleman is a talented back, but there is a possibility that he slides in day two.

http://www.BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/nfldraftrumormill.php

Wonder if this means he has the sickle cell trait. That's what Ryan Clark has.

 

[Alexander]

Wonder if this means he has the sickle cell trait. That's what Ryan Clark has.

I think that is pretty much what is being said. I do not see it as a big deal.

I am more concerned about his other serious condition badius balanceus. That can be crippling.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What I'm trying to say here is that Wisconsin seems like a system that is very conducive to RBs putting up gaudy numbers in college, but yet doing absolutely nothing in the Pros.

While Miami has shown to be a system that turns out very successful RBs in the Pros.

Wisconsin has never had someone make a serious run at the rushing record. Dayne came closest and is 12 all time from a different era and program. Gordon was 2 all time this past year.

Keep on cherry picking.

 

[Plankton]

I think that is pretty much what is being said. I do not see it as a big deal.

I am more concerned about his other serious condition badius balanceus. That can be crippling.

Well, there's that as well as legus stoppus on contactus. He has a real issue with that.

 

[Spectre]

Well, there's that as well as legus stoppus on contactus. He has a real issue with that.

Lol.
Don't forget...
Coleman: Oneus dimensionalus gameus, runus realus fastus straightus forwardus aka can'tus changus directionus. And ridiculous overratedus.

The fact that people here are comparing Gordon and Coleman really is ludicrous. Gordon MAY not be 1st round good... but Coleman definitely isn't. Coleman isn't even 2nd round good.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Coleman for me. Poll....?

 

[koolaid]

Coleman is an interesting back with his height and top end speed but he scares me as a runner who may struggle to get tough yards in the NFL. He seems like a very boom or bust type of back in the NFL.
Gordon is clearly the better prospect IMO, but that is not to say Coleman is not talented, just that Gordon is far more complete as a runner.

A lot of you guys probably have the impression that Wisconsin's Oline was its usual dominant self last season but that is not the case. While they were certainly above the national average from a run blocking perspective (Havenstein is a monster in that regard), Gordon made them look damn good if they could give him any room to breath. You also have to remember that Wisconsin had an atrocious passing attack due to a lack of any viable WR threat and Gary Anderson mucking up the offense for the first few weeks by starting a safety/WR at QB. When people cite Gordon's number of runs that were stopped at or before the line of scrimmage you can be sure the inability to pass all season played a huge role in that. If you are wondering how Ohio State was able to kick the crap out of Wisconsin that is exactly why. Ohio state's beast dline locked down the run with no threat of a passing attack to make them pay for cheating up.

Now in Coleman's defense. Indiana was a BAD team. I still don't understand how they beat Missouri. Coleman putting up those numbers last season show how freakishly talented the guy is. His highlight reels clearly show once he got to the second level in college it was over. So the question is do you trust Coleman to do more between the tackles in the NFL? Will his sprinter speed style of running be viable in the NFL? Time will tell.

Whether or not we get Gordon I am psyched to watch this RB class in the NFL.

and for real though, who gets up to play Indiana?