Gosselin: Tony Romo's replacement isn't in the draft, he's in Detroit

AzorAhai

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My guess is Dalton would win the MVP if it were voted on today.

I don't know who would win honestly. C. Newton and Dalton are probably 1 & 2 in some order. Newton has put an awful team on his back and lead them to an undefeated record so far. Dalton has the better stats by a wide margin, but also has a much better team around him. At this point it's a toss up who I think should get it.
 

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this is such a stupid thing to do (and say) on many levels.
Stafford is 100% a better option than "tanking and drafting Goff."

Well I personally think it is beyond stupid to pay $17-$20 million a season for a QB that cant win one dam playoff game in his entire career when he has one of the best WRs of all time to throw to..........and the Lions had a top 3 defense last season and he still couldn't get it done.

But maybe that is just me.
 

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Mathew Stafford's career record versus teams with winning-records is 3-35! He has NEVER beaten a team that over .500 on the road, 0-16 for his career!

This guy is the Brandon Weeden of "good" QB's...

Exactly....................I have no idea why some many guys in this thread have a hard on for Stafford
 

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Exactly....................I have no idea why some many guys in this thread have a hard on for Stafford

It is because we are Romo fans that we know that playoff records and elimination games don't tell the whole story when talking about QBs.
 

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It is because we are Romo fans that we know that playoff records and elimination games don't tell the whole story when talking about QBs.

Fine, forget the playoffs, how about regular season games against teams above 500?

Your boy is 3-35.....including 0-16 against teams above 500 on the road.......has never beat a winning team on the road in his entire career....impressive!!!

THIS IS REGULAR SEASON, NOT PLAYOFFS OR ELIMINATION GAMES!
 

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Well I personally think it is beyond stupid to pay $17-$20 million a season for a QB that cant win one dam playoff game in his entire career when he has one of the best WRs of all time to throw to..........and the Lions had a top 3 defense last season and he still couldn't get it done.

But maybe that is just me.

Ok, people said the same things about Tony. "He can't win a playoff game, he stinks, he's a choker." Did you believe that? Do you still believe it?
Not winning a playoff game is not all on Stafford's shoulders. He has never once had a complete team, and has always had poor coaches. Sure, he had CJ. What else did he have? A run game? No. A defense? Not until last year. An o-line? No. He's a very talented and athletic QB that has had real success in this league. You are foolish if you wouldn't take him and would rather try and draft QBs for years.
 

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Fine, forget the playoffs, how about regular season games against teams above 500?

Your boy is 3-35.....including 0-16 against teams above 500 on the road.......has never beat a winning team on the road in his entire career....impressive!!!

THIS IS REGULAR SEASON, NOT PLAYOFFS OR ELIMINATION GAMES!

Football is the ultimate team sport. No other sport on the planet is as dependent upon teammates to win a game. Laying everything on his shoulders is as dumb as laying our failures since Tony became the starter on Tony's shoulders. Given your apparent intelligence, perhaps you do that, though.
 

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Is this some type of sick joke?

Maybe if we were talking about the Stafford of 2-3 years ago, but now the dude can't even complete a pass to a 6'5 freak of a receiver.
 

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Ok, people said the same things about Tony. "He can't win a playoff game, he stinks, he's a choker." Did you believe that? Do you still believe it?
Not winning a playoff game is not all on Stafford's shoulders. He has never once had a complete team, and has always had poor coaches. Sure, he had CJ. What else did he have? A run game? No. A defense? Not until last year. An o-line? No. He's a very talented and athletic QB that has had real success in this league. You are foolish if you wouldn't take him and would rather try and draft QBs for years.

Yeah, except when people would talk **** about Tony, you could point to the fact that his QBR is hovering around 100... Stafford's QBR meanwhile is hovering around 80...

And Romo not having much playoff success, is a FAR cry from Stafford having NEVER won a road game against a team with a winning record. You know how long it took for Romo to accomplish that? He did it in his very FIRST career start in the NFL when he led the Cowboys to a 35-14 victory over the 4-3 Panthers... In his first (partial) year as a starter, Romo would win THREE road games against teams that were over .500, and he only started 9 games that season (2006)... This is Matt Stafford's SEVENTH season in the league, and hasn't done it ONCE!?! And 3-35 against winning teams overall? Come on now, that's pathetic.......
 

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Is this some type of sick joke?

Maybe if we were talking about the Stafford of 2-3 years ago, but now the dude can't even complete a pass to a 6'5 freak of a receiver.

lol, thorough analysis!
 

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Yeah, except when people would talk **** about Tony, you could point to the fact that his QBR is hovering around 100... Stafford's QBR meanwhile is hovering around 80...

And Romo not having much playoff success, is a FAR cry from Stafford having NEVER won a road game against a team with a winning record. You know how long it took for Romo to accomplish that? He did it in his very FIRST career start in the NFL when he led the Cowboys to a 35-14 victory over the 4-3 Panthers... In his first (partial) year as a starter, Romo would win THREE road games against teams that were over .500, and he only started 9 games that season (2006)... This is Matt Stafford's SEVENTH season in the league, and hasn't done it ONCE!?! And 3-35 against winning teams overall? Come on now, that's pathetic.......

Again, putting wins and losses on a QB's shoulders is just stupid, ignorant, and disingenuous. He's never had good teams around him. He, like Tony before last year, never had a running game, o-line, or defense worth a damn. Tony wouldn't be doing great in Detroit, either.
 

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Romo wasn't developed, we lucked into him and he's been bailing this offense out. That being said, I wouldn't mind Stafford. He's no Romo, but unless you've got a QB in college with a pedigree, it's not a bad thing.
 

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The Cowboys FO main criteria for drafting a QB so high is if he has a physical appearance like Aikman...
 

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you can win a SB with an above average QB if the stars align and he gets hot at exactly the right time (Flacco) - even there things had to go just right. Sheli won because of his D.

counting on that is moronic. What are the odds that Flacco ever even gets back to the SB let alone win another?

So being satisfied with a mid to upper range QB is a recipe for a lot of frustration as the Raven have found out since they won.

Stafford is just that. Good enough to get to a SB if things go JUST RIGHT but that is all. With a QB like Romo or Brady or Rodgers you can get it done with fewer pieces overall more reliably. We finally are at the point where we have the necessary pieces with the Boys. But then we shot ourselves in the foot with the hiring of a bad HC in 2007 that held us back. I think with a higher quality coach we at least would have gotten to the SB. That is the other missing ingredient. Every team that has won the SB the last 10 years or so had better coaching then we have had.

With this GM and pathetic head coach, should we really be talking about superbowls?

Never said anything about being satisfied. You "brady or bust" guys are laughable. Ok, lets go find another brady. LOL

Thats what all the Romo haters said about Romo, and now you dont hear a peep out of any of them.

Or would you rather have Jones go draft another Quincy Carter and hand him the keys?

Ill take Brady all day long and keep drafting QB's every year until we find one. But the point of this article is that the Cowboys dont do that. So signing a veteran like Flacco or the like is about all we can look forward to. And we have seen with guys like Flacco, Wilson, and some others that if you have a great defense and a great running game to pair with a good QB, it can be done.

I have watched Stafford for years and he is definitely good enough.
 

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Stafford has potential but he has many flaws that might be hard to change at this stage in his career. I think it is harder to groom a vet QB who is set in his ways. Years of poor coaching has doomed him.
 

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With this GM and pathetic head coach, should we really be talking about superbowls?

Never said anything about being satisfied. You "brady or bust" guys are laughable. Ok, lets go find another brady. LOL

Thats what all the Romo haters said about Romo, and now you dont hear a peep out of any of them.

Or would you rather have Jones go draft another Quincy Carter and hand him the keys?

Ill take Brady all day long and keep drafting QB's every year until we find one. But the point of this article is that the Cowboys dont do that. So signing a veteran like Flacco or the like is about all we can look forward to. And we have seen with guys like Flacco, Wilson, and some others that if you have a great defense and a great running game to pair with a good QB, it can be done.

I have watched Stafford for years and he is definitely good enough.

I have watched Stafford for years and he is definitely NOT good enough. He cannot make plays like you need when it matters. His QBR in the 4th quarter- take a good hard look at that.
 

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Again, putting wins and losses on a QB's shoulders is just stupid, ignorant, and disingenuous. He's never had good teams around him. He, like Tony before last year, never had a running game, o-line, or defense worth a damn. Tony wouldn't be doing great in Detroit, either.
you must be a relative or his agent. No one else is slobbering over him like you do.
 

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you must be a relative or his agent. No one else is slobbering over him like you do.

slobbering over him?
he's a much better option than 90% of possible options out there. I'm not sure that's debatable. he's a talented QB who's never really had much around him. He's still young. I'd much rather go for him than draft a QB and hope they turn out to be even decent (which, chances are, they won't be even serviceable - that's statistics).

call it what you want, but the fact that "no one else" at cowboyszone agrees too much with me is probably a good thing - many of these people wanted to see Kellen Moore, and blamed Garrett for losses when our best players were out. In other words, they aren't the brightest bulbs, for the most part.

For the record, do you prefer drafting multiple QBs until we find one? What are the chances we find a good QB with a first round pick the first time?
 

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I have watched Stafford for years and he is definitely NOT good enough. He cannot make plays like you need when it matters. His QBR in the 4th quarter- take a good hard look at that.

And Tony Romo is a choker! Remember all those INTs in critical moments?
 
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