Green Bay won the trade

[kskboys]

The way I see it: We probably would've been mediocre with Parsons here and we are mediocre now, not going to the playoffs. In the age of mediocrity we've been here before, where the team overachieves a little during the season, still doesn't make the playoffs, and then pays for it in the post seasons being middle of the pack in the draft positioning. There was no plan for the trade. The trade benefits would've been to get nice picks to help rebuild. The second trade contradicted this by trying to make a run and somehow still get into the playoffs, and it failed with us now only having a 9% chance and probably will lose at least another game.

I enjoyed winning some of those games and last minute heroics, but ultimately I knew the odds were stacked against the cowboys.

We were 28th on D w/ Parsons here. He definitely would not have made the difference.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

The only thing that made the Parson deal look appealing was the combined picks of our own plus the ones we got from the packers, being able to do some major moves in the next two drafts. The two trades have to be looked at together too, not only because of the draft capital we got from greenbay, but also the first deal, made parsons to greenbay guranteed that their draft picks are going to be lower because Parson, who got player of the month awhile back, will increase their threat their winning percentage, while the second trade increased our winning precentage while probably not getting us into the playoffs. So now we have both our picks and the picks we got from greenbay be of lesser value and before we could've combined them, if we wanted to. So in the end, we are still mediocre, and next year there is no guarantee that the players we got from the second trade will make us better than mediocre.

Good post.

Jerry didn’t take into account the positive impact Micah would have on GB’s win totals, which exponentially lowers the value of a first round pick this year. That’s no small thing, either. Blue chip prospects, the players who are overwhemingly likely to become contributing starters, reside in the top 10-12 picks and the top 15 on a deep draft year. After that, the chances of getting contributing starters fall dramatically. In fact, picking in the 20’s has essentially the same hit rate for a starter that picking in the upper half of the second round has - about 35%. So we traded Micah for what essentially amounts to at least a second round pick this year and probably next year, too.

Now, I’m ok with the Quinnen trade IF Jerry continues that “all-in” mindset into the offseason and pushes all his chips into the table. Sounds like you and I are on the same page when it comes to Jerry, though. The only reason he made this trade was that he looked like a d***** fool given the defensive implosion that resulted from trading Micah and then made an “all-in” move, not first and foremost to make the team better, but to try and salvage his ego. Given that, it’s likely we just go with status quo this offseason even though there IS a real, and rare under Jerry post-Johnson, chance to go all-in in FA and have a legit rounded out SB roster next year. I doubt the bozo does it or even sees the possibility.

 

[kskboys]

Good post.

Jerry didn’t take into account the positive impact Micah would have on GB’s win totals, which exponentially lowers the value of a first round pick this year. That’s no small thing either. Blue chip prospects, the players who are overwhemingly likely to become contributing starters reside in the top 10-12 picks and top 15 on deep draft year. After that the chances of getting a contributing starters fall dramatically. In fact, picking in the 20’s has essentially the same hit rate for a starter that picking in the upper half of the second round has - about 35%. So we traded Micah for essentially amount to at least a second round pick this year and probably next year, too.

Now I’m ok with the Quinnen trade IF Jerry continues that “all-in” mindset into the offseason and pushes all his chips into the table. Sounds like you and I are on the same page when it comes to Jerry though. The only reason he made this trade was that he looked like a d***** fool given the defensive implosion that resulted from trading Micah and then made an “all-in” move, not first and foremost to make the team better, but to try and salvage his ego. Given that, it’s likely we just go with status quo this offseason even though there IS a real, and rare under Jerry post-Johnson, chance to go all-in in FA and have a legit rounded out SB roster next year. I doubt the bozo does it or even sees the possibility.

We were 28th last year.

The D imploded because we had no starting quality LBs, no FSs, no DTs, and overpaid CBs. Micah had almost nothing to do w/ the D imploding.

 

[VaqueroTD]

I'm excited to see what we can get with another round of late 1st round or early 2nd round picks earned from the Micah trade! With names like Mazi, Guyton and Schoon, who wouldn't be?

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

I'm excited to see what we can get with another round of late 1st round or early 2nd round picks earned from the Micah trade! With names like Mazi, Guyton and Schoon, who wouldn't be?

i agree,

 

[CarolinaFathead]

We were 28th last year.

The D imploded because we had no starting quality LBs, no FSs, no DTs, and overpaid CBs. Micah had almost nothing to do w/ the D imploding.

To say trading Micah had no impact is grossly reductive. Plus, the defense last year was playing much better the last half of the season versus the front half. We won games on the back half of the season with Cooper Rush at QB. The defense was playing much better by then.

 

[kskboys]

To say trading Micah had no impact is grossly reductive. Plus, the defense last year was playing much better the last half of the season versus the front half. We won games on the back half of the season with Cooper Rush at QB. The defense was playing much better by then.

No one said it had no impact. Don't make stuff up.

This D was starting like 6-7 guys who were not starting quality. Micah wouldn't have been able to fix it all by himself. Maybe slightly better, but it would've been way too easy to scheme him out.

 

[Hawkeye19]

I get your point, but I don't think they would have made the trade for QW if they didn't have a second 1st round pick.

They wouldn’t have made that trade if they had signed Micah either.

The trade is indicative of a philosophical defensive shift. Get stronger and tougher in the middle vs focus on speed pressure on the edges, and it shows a renewed commitment to stop the run first

We can only judge if their decisions were right and effective after all the assets gained from the trade have been deployed

I would consider the addition of Quinnen as an indirect result of the trade rather than a direct one— as Clark and the first rounders are and the cap flexibility is as well

 

[CarolinaFathead]

No one said it had no impact. Don't make stuff up.

This D was starting like 6-7 guys who were not starting quality. Micah wouldn't have been able to fix it all by himself. Maybe slightly better, but it would've been way too easy to scheme him out.

All that can be true and Micah still would have significantly boosted the entire defensive potential because he’s THAT good.

Not having Micah in the lineup made the dumpster fire defensive issues more like a five alarm skyscraper fire with multiple floors involved and people hanging from windows waiting and hoping to be rescued.

It was a mind numbingly stupid trade.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

When was the last time that happened?

Probably the wrong way to put it given the whole Cabo thing. I mean on vacation because their season is over while other teams are in the playoffs.

 

[Runwildboys]

All that can be true and Micah still would have significantly boosted the entire defensive potential because he’s THAT good.

Not having Micah in the lineup made the dumpster fire defensive issues more like a five alarm skyscraper fire with multiple floors involved and people hanging from windows waiting and hoping to be rescued.

It was a mind numbingly stupid trade.

Well, we saw that Micah wasn't enough to fix the defense, especially the run defense. IMO, it was the right thing to do, to bolster the middle of the defensive line. I was a huge fan of Micah, even bought his jersey, and at first I was upset. But when they decided to finally concentrate on the biggest problem with the defense, I felt better.

 

[conner01]

Parsons is currently ranked 3rd in sacks with 12.5 . And he has made some big plays in key parts of games this year. Packers are a tie away from first place. And my instincts tell me they are my dark horse to represent N.F.C. in the Super Bowl if the Rams should fail.

Packers have enough beef up front that Micahs mediocre run stopping abilities are not an issue in their defense. They just needed someone who could come up with game changing pressures in key situations late in games.

And he has become that guy for them. The perfect icing on a cake. Packers are in win NOW mode. And they just might go all the way. While Dallas is stuck in the annual okie doke and "we'll git 'em next year" mentality.

Interesting take since we don’t know yet what we got in the trade. We know we got 2 really good DT’s but we don’t know what we got with the picks

 

[exciter]

Parsons is currently ranked 3rd in sacks with 12.5 . And he has made some big plays in key parts of games this year. Packers are a tie away from first place. And my instincts tell me they are my dark horse to represent N.F.C. in the Super Bowl if the Rams should fail.

Packers have enough beef up front that Micahs mediocre run stopping abilities are not an issue in their defense. They just needed someone who could come up with game changing pressures in key situations late in games.

And he has become that guy for them. The perfect icing on a cake. Packers are in win NOW mode. And they just might go all the way. While Dallas is stuck in the annual okie doke and "we'll git 'em next year" mentality.

This is not the last year there will be football.
You can't normally quantify wether you won a trade based on the results of one season. You'd normally base evaluation over the life of the contract of the traded player.

That said, we traded a generational pass rusher.
Outside of a career ending injury of coarse we lost.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

We were 28th on D w/ Parsons here. He definitely would not have made the difference.

That's not all on Parsons. If he is getting double team, you need someone on the other side to take advantage of it. But I can't honestly say we are better now without Parsons after the midseason trade, than we would've been with him plus some free agency moves before the season started. What is the point to trade him and then undo the value of that trade by making another trade for the opposite reasons.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I'm excited to see what we can get with another round of late 1st round or early 2nd round picks earned from the Micah trade! With names like Mazi, Guyton and Schoon, who wouldn't be?

Hey you forget Taco

 

[diamonddelts]

Hey you forget Taco

The defense version of Tony Mandarich.

 

[Kwyn]

We were 28th last year.

The D imploded because we had no starting quality LBs, no FSs, no DTs, and overpaid CBs. Micah had almost nothing to do w/ the D imploding.

The defense imploded because Jerry had a brand new coaching staff and surprised them six days before the opener by blowing up the entire defensive game plan by trading their best player and doing nothing for eight games to even react to the problem.

 

[buddahjoe445]

Parsons would not have made any difference in number of wins. Hiring Eberturd and trading for Murray doomed this season from the start. If not for the unexpected elite offense this team would be in position for the 1st pick, which would have been the best outcome given it was a wasted year due to Eberturd and Murray.

 

[Runwildboys]

This is not the last year there will be football.
You can't normally quantify wether you won a trade based on the results of one season. You'd normally base evaluation over the life of the contract of the traded player.

That said, we traded a generational pass rusher.
Outside of a career ending injury of coarse we lost.

I agree, he is a generational pass rusher. Unfortunately, that particular position turned out to be less important to our defense than the middle of the D-line, especially since he wasn't particularly good at stopping the run.

If nothing else, the acquisition of QW has shown Jerry the importance of a great player to break down the middle of the opposing offense.

If we could have both, I'd love that, but we can't, and IMO, this is more conducive to a good defense.

 

[Walker]

We already knew that Green Bay was going to win.