Greg Hardy Visits The Jaguars

[mattjames2010]

I'm excited to see Jaguars this year. They seem to be inching closer and closer to having one of the better offenses in the league, they added some good pieces to the defense as well.

 

[TX Cowboy]

As much as I wanted him to stay in Dallas, Jacksonville will be a good place for him, away
from the media spotlight and he can focus his attention, to rebuilding his life and finishing
out his career without distraction

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Cowboys didn't blacklist Hardy, his actions did while with the Cowboys and before. If anything in your paragraph was true, multiple teams would do their sue diligence and take a shot. In that massive Hardy thread a 3-4 know it alls kept telling me that we'd be signing him when his name was cleared or other teams would be waiting to swoop in. Wrong on all counts so far. He dug his own grave.

And he'll be in trouble again. He can't help himself.

 

[Sydla]

You can't be that naive....either Jerry's wife, Jason's wife or somebody else in the FO told Jerry they had cut Hardy when the pictures came out last year....that is when everything changed.....everyone wants to give the Cowboys credit for taking a chance on Hardy but they really didn't....they made him sign a one-sided deal with all kinds of outs, pledged to be behind him but didn't help him at all with his 10 game appeal.....he had grounds to follow Brady to Federal Court but he took the reduced 4 games to put it in the past....then the pictures dropped, which changed nothing, except the teams support.....all of a sudden the rumors started....

My problem is that the Cowboys are blacklisting him with the innuendos...if he was as bad as they say last year they could have cut him, saved millions and everyone in the world would stand behind them because Hardy is the devil(even though he has a perfectly clean record.....no criminal record and no failed drug or PED tests)....but they went the other way and their silence is deafening..

Nah, the naivety is all on your end.

Absolutely the pictures were a turning point but at that point, the Cowboys were starting to get fed up with all the sideshow stuff they had to put up with. The pictures coming out were the final straw.

 

[dogunwo]

Weed, DUI, PEDs, sexual assault, theft, domestic violence, foul language tweets are all OK but being late to a meeting is the Death Penalty- so are jeans on the bus

I think it is more about not following instructions on the simple things, insubordination. Can't trust that kind of employee. Most employees have some kind of dress code and attendance requirements. If they are not followed, it doesn't mean that the employee cant perfom the job, but they will probably be fired.

 

[Idgit]

As somebody who still suspects Hardy is not getting treated fairly re the DV accusations, he's obviously a persona non grata in Dallas and it obviously is related to how he mishandled his second chance here.

The dude can play football. He's also got a ton of emotional issues and comes with both baggage and a stick of dynamite in his back pocket. Someone might bring him into camp, but it won't be Dallas, and the fact that it's taken this long says more about Hardy's behavior than some of you want to admit.

We might not know what exactly he did in Dallas. But the league knows, and it's keeping the deals away at least for now.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[Daillest88]

Lol

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

That is wrong information, once again.

Commanders are not considering signing Greg Hardy at this time, according to a team source who told WashPost writer Mike Jones.

 

[LocimusPrime]

He will play again....just watch. Just a matter of time

 

[Denim Chicken]

That is wrong information, once again.

Commanders are not considering signing Greg Hardy at this time, according to a team source who told WashPost writer Mike Jones.

Are you saying Ed Werder could be wrong?? Unheard of!!

 

[Kevinicus]

Cowboys didn't blacklist Hardy, his actions did while with the Cowboys and before. If anything in your paragraph was true, multiple teams would do their sue diligence and take a shot. In that massive Hardy thread a 3-4 know it alls kept telling me that we'd be signing him when his name was cleared or other teams would be waiting to swoop in. Wrong on all counts so far. He dug his own grave.

Are you suggesting that "they could have cut him, saved millions" isn't true?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Man.... I could be a cowboy or a jaguar.... Which should I go for?

I will act like a flippin idiot and go back Jacksonville. Brilliant!

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes, because it's about insubordination not breaking the law. A coach cannot control what players do when they are not at work, but he can have certain expectations when the player "clocks in."

If Hardy's behavior affected the work environment, then it's right to not bring him back. It would be like me having my reporter miss budget meetings, but expecting the rest of my reporters to show up for them. If I did not correct the behavior of the late reporter, then I run the risk of the other reporters believing that behavior is acceptable.

Now, if Hardy had played lights out last season despite whatever he did in the locker room, then the team would have retained him ... and the coach has the fallback for special treatment that he's a special player.

Anyone who is a boss, who is a coach, who is a leader understands how CRITICAL respect, subordination and obedience is to running an operation, a team, a business, etc.

INSUBORDINATION, DISRESPECT OF AUTHORITY and REFUSAL TO FULFILL ONE'S RESPONSIBILITIES are sins that are unforgiveable to an organization, team, business and sins that undermine the very fabric of a group that relies on teamwork and cooperation for success.

As you said, drug use, off-field issues are personal problems. To the degree that they impact the team is the degree that you punish them. But insubordination, disrespect of authority and refusal to obey the instructions and demands of your boss will get you fired/dismissed beyond those other sins because it undermines the very concept of the authority-submission principle.

And THAT is why it's viewed differently and why Hardy - if reports are true, and I believe that they are - is no longer with the Cowboys.

No matter what one thinks about Jason Garrett, he is the coach. And no matter if Hardy thinks he knows more about football than Garrett or any other coach, he is (well, was) an employee, a player for the Cowboys. And as such, he had men in authority over him - men who could tell him what he could and should do and men whom he had to listen to and obey.

I can see why they let him go. And, honestly, if you were a boss and an employee disrespected you in front of your employees, I dare say you'd get rid of that employee too, or risk being seen as a weak and effective leader.

 

[tyke1doe]

He would most certainly sign with the Skins if he could.

 

[gimmesix]

He would most certainly sign with the Skins if he could.

Would not be surprised if he ends up there.

 

[gimmesix]

Anyone who is a boss, who is a coach, who is a leader understands how CRITICAL respect, subordination and obedience is to running an operation, a team, a business, etc.

INSUBORDINATION, DISRESPECT OF AUTHORITY and REFUSAL TO FULFILL ONE'S RESPONSIBILITIES are sins that are unforgiveable to an organization, team, business and sins that undermine the very fabric of a group that relies on teamwork and cooperation for success.

As you said, drug use, off-field issues are personal problems. To the degree that they impact the team is the degree that you punish them. But insubordination, disrespect of authority and refusal to obey the instructions and demands of your boss will get you fired/dismissed beyond those other sins because it undermines the very concept of the authority-submission principle.

And THAT is why it's viewed differently and why Hardy - if reports are true, and I believe that they are - is no longer with the Cowboys.

No matter what one thinks about Jason Garrett, he is the coach. And no matter if Hardy thinks he knows more about football than Garrett or any other coach, he is (well, was) an employee, a player for the Cowboys. And as such, he had men in authority over him - men who could tell him what he could and should do and men whom he had to listen to and obey.

I can see why they let him go. And, honestly, if you were a boss and an employee disrespected you in front of your employees, I dare say you'd get rid of that employee too, or risk being seen as a weak and effective leader.

The only thing I would clarify is that I believe Hardy's insubordination was the result of our losing season. His past in Carolina does not seem to indicate that he would have locker-room problems in Dallas (although I do believe he might have been late for some meetings), and it appears to me that he was well-behaved (except on social media) until our season went into the tank.

That's no excuse. There is plenty of evidence that Hardy has some interesting personality issues, but I could easily see him return to not being a locker-room problem if he is on a team that isn't having a bottom-feeder season.

That might sound like a good reason for Dallas to have re-signed him, but I can't blame the team for not doing that based on how he appears to have acted.

 

[Idgit]

The only thing I would clarify is that I believe Hardy's insubordination was the result of our losing season. His past in Carolina does not seem to indicate that he would have locker-room problems in Dallas (although I do believe he might have been late for some meetings), and it appears to me that he was well-behaved (except on social media) until our season went into the tank.

That's no excuse. There is plenty of evidence that Hardy has some interesting personality issues, but I could easily see him return to not being a locker-room problem if he is on a team that isn't having a bottom-feeder season.

That might sound like a good reason for Dallas to have re-signed him, but I can't blame the team for not doing that based on how he appears to have acted.

I think Hardy was ok with everything (he hated losing, but that's ok in my book. I don't even mind the getting mad at STs so much except that it was such a distraction during the game). It wasn't until the pics came out just prior to the 2nd PHI game that he started losing it, and I'd guess that things spiraled internally from there.

Charles Haley was in on one of the Talking Cowboys (I think) shows and gave a little insight into Hardy's mentality. He had a real chip on his shoulder re: how the DV incident was portrayed. I believe he thinks he was wronged in the incident and wronged by public perception. And I further think in his mind he's fighting to defend his own reputation or honor by refusing to act like he's sorry for anything other than the fact that he was involved in the situation in the first place. (Note, I'm not saying anything specifically either way about his guilt or possible innocence here, only what I think he thinks). He's a high strung dude (that's an understatement) and I think the perception plus the pics plus the losing plus how he was covered on the sidelines in Dallas last year bubbled up and he went completely off the rails.

That's a long way of saying I think the dude can play and play at a high level. And I don't think he's a locker room cancer automatically. I think circumstances can conspire to make him a very difficult dude to be around, and that's what happened last year. But I could easily see him going someplace else when a team gets needy enough and more or less managing to keep it on the straight and narrow and be a very solid contributor. Maybe he regains his elite status, maybe not. There's a lot of water under the bridge at this point and he's a scrutiny-magnet. But he's still a good player.

And for the record, Dez and he are pretty similar temperaments. Even on his way out the door, Dez had good things to say about Hardy. Whatever he did, it was something at least one of our highest profile players could get his arms around and not have too much problem with.

 

[gimmesix]

I think Hardy was ok with everything (he hated losing, but that's ok in my book. I don't even mind the getting mad at STs so much except that it was such a distraction during the game). It wasn't until the pics came out just prior to the 2nd PHI game that he started losing it, and I'd guess that things spiraled internally from there.

Charles Haley was in on one of the Talking Cowboys (I think) shows and gave a little insight into Hardy's mentality. He had a real chip on his shoulder re: how the DV incident was portrayed. I believe he thinks he was wronged in the incident and wronged by public perception. And I further think in his mind he's fighting to defend his own reputation or honor by refusing to act like he's sorry for anything other than the fact that he was involved in the situation in the first place. (Note, I'm not saying anything specifically either way about his guilt or possible innocence here, only what I think he thinks). He's a high strung dude (that's an understatement) and I think the perception plus the pics plus the losing plus how he was covered on the sidelines in Dallas last year bubbled up and he went completely off the rails.

That's a long way of saying I think the dude can play and play at a high level. And I don't think he's a locker room cancer automatically. I think circumstances can conspire to make him a very difficult dude to be around, and that's what happened last year. But I could easily see him going someplace else when a team gets needy enough and more or less managing to keep it on the straight and narrow and be a very solid contributor. Maybe he regains his elite status, maybe not. There's a lot of water under the bridge at this point and he's a scrutiny-magnet. But he's still a good player.

And for the record, Dez and he are pretty similar temperaments. Even on his way out the door, Dez had good things to say about Hardy. Whatever he did, it was something at least one of our highest profile players could get his arms around and not have too much problem with.

Clearly, the players were split on Hardy, so I think the issues were more between him and the staff. We don't know the details, but I agree that there's probably a lot of truth to what you've written here.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Hardy is being blacklisted.

CFL G.M. says league told him not to pursue Greg Hardy

That's what happens when you're a douchebag.