Greg Hardy's little plays make him a star

[texbumthelife]

http://www.ctclive.com/2015/11/greg-hardys-little-plays-make-him-star.html

Here's an example in the run game, where Hardy doesn't get credit for the tackle, but he clearly disrupts the entire play and creates a tackle opportunity for his teammate. Hardy's penetration and strength cause the running back's timing to be thrown off and forces him to concede a loss on the play. Take a look:

Is that Crawford lined up directly over the center? If so, and they've been using that frequently, it would explain why he hasn't done much and why we've been hurt by teams running up the middle.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I can't like this post enough. Ware is a potential HoF player and we have posters who are acting like he was chump change. Teams had to account for Ware every play every game. No one took him one on one the whole game. LT's always had help otherwise sacks were given up. I love Hardy and I agree he is a different type player than Ware, but let's not act like Ware was nothing.

I agree with all of it, and Wares work speaks for itself.


however. WHen watching the games................ He just didnt show up sometimes. Probably cuz of the double teams.

But LT showed up. Others who were great showed up. I know, Ive seen the stats. And I have no leg to stand on.

But whatever the reasons...... Ware just disapeared a lot, ..............................................................????

 

[RunDMC]

Ware was a stats player. He had alot of sacks and thats it. Most of them came when we did not need them. Good player but no difference maker. He lacked the nastiness, disruptivness and dispapeard in important situations.

Never been a fan of Ware. Even if Spencer took most of the blame when we werent able to establish preasure i liked him alot more then Ware.

Hardy is just the opposite. He is a mauler and can bring preasure when needed. It so much more difficult to bring preasure or being disruptive when everybody knows it then to get a sack in garbadge time.

Stats player? How in God's name can you consistently lead the league in sacks or be right up there and be up there in sacks? Do you think JJ Watt is a stats player too?

Saying he's not a difference maker is asinine. Ware made a difference just by being out there. Teams always had to game plan for his presence which opened up opportunities for Ratliff, Spencer, Hatcher, etc.

You ALWAYS need sacks. To say you don't need sacks when that puts teams in tough down and distance situations. Cmon man. You think be a fan of Kraken which I am. I absolutely love the guy and I've said the Cowboys team should pay him whatever he wants because he is big time, but to disrespect D-Ware by sharing he never made an impact when he did so routinely. There's no need for that.

 

[tyke1doe]

How is he able to do this after being out of the game so long and not being in shape?

If you have talent and drive, you can do almost anything. I'm convinced that not many guys who play in the NFL have that intensity, that passion, that drive. They're just gifted enough to play at a professional level.

But some guys know they're not only gifted to play professionally, but if they give it their all, they'll beat half the guys who don't want to be there or who aren't as passionate.

That and never underestimate the power of motivation. Hardy is motivated to prove people wrong about him.

 

[TwentyOne]

That's what you get when a player is on a contract year. Especially when he is a beast like Hardy is.
Hardy wants to get paid. If it's with the Cowboys or somewhere else.

So you think his play will diminish after he gets his contract ? Explain.

 

[tyke1doe]

I can't like this post enough. Ware is a potential HoF player and we have posters who are acting like he was chump change. Teams had to account for Ware every play every game. No one took him one on one the whole game. LT's always had help otherwise sacks were given up. I love Hardy and I agree he is a different type player than Ware, but let's not act like Ware was nothing.

I had my criticisms of Ware, but I agree with your post.

Besides, Hardy is heavier than Ware, and his personality is different than Ware's.

We have this incessant need to compare players. Ware is no longer here. Hardy is. We can praise Hardy without having to knock Ware.

 

[TwentyOne]

If you have talent and drive, you can do almost anything. I'm convinced that not many guys who play in the NFL have that intensity, that passion, that drive. They're just gifted enough to play at a professional level.

But some guys know they're not only gifted to play professionally, but if they give it their all, they'll beat half the guys who don't want to be there or who aren't as passionate.

That and never underestimate the power of motivation. Hardy is motivated to prove people wrong about him.

Talent and motivation (or drive as you name it) is well overrated. Its the daily work, the repetition that makes you a good player.
That of course is talent too. To examine where your deficites are and work on them hard every day. Not everybody is able to do that. Some people are not able to see their deficites even if a coach tells them. Some people may be frightend to lose their positives if their work on their negatives.

Thats another thing why i like Greg Hardy alot. Listen to his interviews. He is not the one who tells fairy tales about how talented he is or gifted or whatever. He tells it how it is, plain and simple: " its just the daily work you put in".

 

[AsthmaField]

Ware was a stats player. He had alot of sacks and thats it. Most of them came when we did not need them. Good player but no difference maker. He lacked the nastiness, disruptivness and dispapeard in important situations.

Never been a fan of Ware. Even if Spencer took most of the blame when we werent able to establish preasure i liked him alot more then Ware. I was celebrating when we let him go. We need nasty players on defense not players who know the dress code and act like top models.

Hardy is just the opposite. He is a mauler and can bring preasure when needed. It so much more difficult to bring preasure or being disruptive when everybody accounts for it then to get a sack when nobody really cares.

Hardy scares offenses. For real scares them. I haven't seen many defenders that do that. LT. Reggie White. Charles Haley in his prime. Not many guys like that.

Ware was a really good player but for me the difference between Hardy and Ware can be boiled down to this:

Teams knew Ware would beat them, so they made adjustments and limited his impact. However, teams know Hardy will beat them and they make adjustments and yet Hardy makes plays anyway.

To me, that is the biggest difference... and it does make quite a difference on the field.

Plus, Hardy's nasty attitude honestly does scare offenses. They are nervous and never want to lose sight of where he is or what he's doing. Ware didn't do that.

In a pass rush contest or an obstacle course, Ware would probably do a little better than Hardy. He's a better athlete and is a little quicker than Greg. In the game of football though... where nasty attitude and man-on-man contests are so important, I think most OL would rather face Ware. Hardy's combination of speed, quickness, power, and relentless pursuit is very, very difficult to defend against.

 

[Chuck 54]

The difference is that Ware was an OLB.
Hardy is a true 4-3 DE. In his very short stint as a DE, Ware couldn't come close to what Hardy provides, but in a 3-4, Ware has been an excellent pass rusher. We may call them both pass rushers, but comparing Ware to Hardy is like comparing Lawrence Taylor (the greatest OLB of all time) to Reggie White (possibly the greatest DE of all time). You can't really do it because they don't play the same positions.

Personally, I'll take White and Hardy all day long because I prefer the 4-3.

 

[TwentyOne]

Hardy scares offenses. For real scares them. I haven't seen many defenders that do that. LT. Reggie White. Charles Haley in his prime. Not many guys like that.

Ware was a really good player but for me the difference between Hardy and Ware can be boiled down to this:

Teams knew Ware would beat them, so they made adjustments and limited his impact. However, teams know Hardy will beat them and they make adjustments and yet Hardy makes plays anyway.

To me, that is the biggest difference... and it does make quite a difference on the field.

Plus, Hardy's nasty attitude honestly does scare offenses. They are nervous and never want to lose sight of where he is or what he's doing. Ware didn't do that.

In a pass rush contest or an obstacle course, Ware would probably do a little better than Hardy. He's a better athlete and is a little quicker than Greg. In the game of football though... where nasty attitude and man-on-man contests are so important, I think most OL would rather face Ware. Hardy's combination of speed, quickness, power, and relentless pursuit is very, very difficult to defend against.

I think you explained it very well Asthma Field. Thanks for your post.

I am a big fan right now of Hardy. Of course there are concerns about his personality off the field. Besides that i'd love us to sign this guy long term. He is a joy to watch IMO.

 

[tyke1doe]

Talent and motivation (or drive as you name it) is well overrated. Its the daily work, the repetition that makes you a good player.
That of course is talent too. To examine where your deficites are and work on them hard every day. Not everybody is able to do that. Some people are not able to see their deficites even if a coach tells them. Some people may be frightend to lose their positives if their work on their negatives.

Thats another thing why i like Greg Hardy alot. Listen to his interviews. He is not the one who tells fairy tales about how talented he is or gifted or whatever. He tells it how it is, plain and simple: " its just the daily work you put in".

Of course, hard work helps. But hard work aint making Cole Beasley Randy Moss, and it aint making Nick Hayden Greg Hardy. You have to have the talent.
You also have to have motivation. Motivation is that X-factor that separates players equal in talent.
And, it may be the fuel for hard work. It may be the fuel behind Hardy's desire to put in the hard work.

 

[RunDMC]

Hardy scares offenses. For real scares them. I haven't seen many defenders that do that. LT. Reggie White. Charles Haley in his prime. Not many guys like that.

Ware was a really good player but for me the difference between Hardy and Ware can be boiled down to this:

Teams knew Ware would beat them, so they made adjustments and limited his impact. However, teams know Hardy will beat them and they make adjustments and yet Hardy makes plays anyway.

To me, that is the biggest difference... and it does make quite a difference on the field.

Plus, Hardy's nasty attitude honestly does scare offenses. They are nervous and never want to lose sight of where he is or what he's doing. Ware didn't do that.

In a pass rush contest or an obstacle course, Ware would probably do a little better than Hardy. He's a better athlete and is a little quicker than Greg. In the game of football though... where nasty attitude and man-on-man contests are so important, I think most OL would rather face Ware. Hardy's combination of speed, quickness, power, and relentless pursuit is very, very difficult to defend against.

Ware absolutely scared offenses. That's why they doubled him week in and week out. They game planned for him. He was the one guy on the Dallas defense that had you to set out to try and stop or at least contain. You don't do that for someone that isn't a great, great football player. No OL would wanna face a prime Ware because he had the entire package as a pass rusher. Great speed, quickness, power, an array of different moves, ability to get leverage on a tackle, quick off the ball, disciplined, had as high a motor as anyone and never took off plays, went for the football had a number of sack fumbles throughout his career. Teams had to account for D-Ware wherever he lined up. To sit there and say Greg Hardy who has truly had two complete seasons as an elite pass rusher in even in the same discussion as Ware in an insult to the man. I'm not trying to knock Hardy, but he isn't in the same breath as Ware. Great player, but all time great like Ware? Not right now.

 

[Primetime42]

Hardy's a borderline psychopath, but his effort on every single play is something to behold.

 

[reddyuta]

The real question is how much is he going to cost to keep here long term? And can a deal be done mid-season?

Better do it now than wait on the bidding war off season.

 

[AsthmaField]

Ware absolutely scared offenses. That's why they doubled him week in and week out. They game planned for him. He was the one guy on the Dallas defense that had you to set out to try and stop or at least contain. You don't do that for someone that isn't a great, great football player. No OL would wanna face a prime Ware because he had the entire package as a pass rusher. Great speed, quickness, power, an array of different moves, ability to get leverage on a tackle, quick off the ball, disciplined, had as high a motor as anyone and never took off plays, went for the football had a number of sack fumbles throughout his career. Teams had to account for D-Ware wherever he lined up. To sit there and say Greg Hardy who has truly had two complete seasons as an elite pass rusher in even in the same discussion as Ware in an insult to the man. I'm not trying to knock Hardy, but he isn't in the same breath as Ware. Great player, but all time great like Ware? Not right now.

It is cool for us to disagree a little on this. I do think Ware is a great player. There were always aspects of his game that I thought weren't what it should be, but he was very good.

I'm glad Dallas drafted Ware. I'm glad Hardy is a Cowboy.

 

[phildadon86]

Better do it now than wait on the bidding war off season.

My thinking exactly. Especially with his agent, i dont think Drew will allow Hardy to give us any kind of discount come the off-season.

 

[pacy]

So you think his play will diminish after he gets his contract ? Explain.

No, I don't say that his play will diminish after he gets his contract. I am just saying that he plays on a contract year and therefore also wants to show everybody that he is worth to get paid as a top 3 DE in this league. So this is giving him some extra motivation on top of his already outstanding play.

 

[AzCowboysFan]

BEAST!

 

[Redball Express]

And I love(d) Ware. He is/was a fantastic player.
Hardy is on a different level. He may never get 20 sacks in a season (he probably will), but he is just more consistently dominant than I ever remember Ware being. Making the QB feel your presence, whether it's a sack or not, is just huge. QBs feel Hardy all. freaking. game. He is ALWAYS hassling them. He's hit every QB multiple times every game, and ferociously.

He's a special, special player. I'm gushing about him, I know, but I can't help it.

Absolutely.

Ware was great in his prime..

but he was never the physically dominant player Hardy is.

Frankly..his interception last week reminded me of Watt in Houston.

This guy is a mountain of a player..he reminds me of Bob Lilly, too.

Double and triple teams are not stopping him,either. The other guys have to step their game up to really make Hardy be recognized.

We'll see.

 

[robjay04]

Just remembered that Hardy funded that whole banner flying over the Eagles stadium.

Let me hope he backs it up this weekend, he may have to make a play to win the game.