Guys Remember Who Actaully Executes The Plays

[dargonking999]

Now i know everybody here is blaming te coahces as the cause to our problem. But they call a play, the o line doenst block right, or somebodyslips, or BLedsoe doesnt look to the wide open Witten in te endzone. Somebody misses a block, no matter how much you practice this, some people will still do the same thing. Maybe it's time we stop riding the coaches for trying to call a play that they expectat least great excution from, maybe it's time we callout the players who are getting ran over at the point of attack, the players who dont jam their WR, the players who dont do what there suppose to. And that doesnt mean three million threads JJ sucks, because everytime he gets the ball there are defenders looking at him waiting to take him down

 

[Mansta54]

Now i know everybody here is blaming te coahces as the cause to our problem. But they call a play, the o line doenst block right, or somebodyslips, or BLedsoe doesnt look to the wide open Witten in te endzone. Somebody misses a block, no matter how much you practice this, some people will still do the same thing. Maybe it's time we stop riding the coaches for trying to call a play that they expectat least great excution from, maybe it's time we callout the players who are getting ran over at the point of attack, the players who dont jam their WR, the players who dont do what there suppose to. And that doesnt mean three million threads JJ sucks, because everytime he gets the ball there are defenders looking at him waiting to take him down

It starts up front!!!!!

 

[Cbz40]

It starts up front!!!!!

Yes...indeed it does

 

[Ashwynn]

Sure, theres enough blame for the players aswell. Anytime your team is playing like ours is, the coaches sorta have to take some blame.

Parcells is on record saying he dumbed down the playcalling for Bledsoe. With an easy, no passing playbook, our running is not working. Who would you blame?

Our team is in a growing pain stage. We are learning how to play. As we learn we will make mistakes, and we will lose games we should have won. Then again, we will win some we should have lost as we learn more.

Till we get our Franchise QB we wont start to dominate. Think about this. If all the peices today gelled today, what happens in 2 years when Bledsoe retires and Rivers or Brees or Lienart or another young guy comes in. We take a step back, so get used to this. We are far from being world beaters, but then remember the old saying. No gain without pain. It hurts like hell sometimes, but the sun will rise tomorrow and the calander will surely change and before we know it, it will be tomorrow. We will be better tomorrow. Just getting from today to tomorrow and all that pain inbetween. Need help? Remember how great it felt to sit on top of the NFL world through out the early 90's. Remember that feeling, you will feel it again, Tomorrow.

 

[Jimz31]

There IS some blame that goes on the coaches though.....

I'll take you back to Washington....

We need to run down the clock...get a first down. So here's what we did:

1st and 10: JJ gets 6 yards...
2nd and 4: Pass...incomplete.
3rd and 4: Pass...incomplete
4th and 4: Need I say more?

In the PC, a reporter asked what he would do differently as far as play-calling....he specifically referenced this set of downs.

There were quite a few of us on here wondering what the heck they were doing passing the ball....the Skins were only playing with a 4-man front at the time as well....so it wasn't like they were run-blitzing either.

The passing plays didn't even take 30 seconds either.

The play-calling leaves alot to be desired.

Having said that, the players HAVE to do their part as well.

 

[dargonking999]

There IS some blame that goes on the coaches though.....

I'll take you back to Washington....

We need to run down the clock...get a first down. So here's what we did:

1st and 10: JJ gets 6 yards...
2nd and 4: Pass...incomplete.
3rd and 4: Pass...incomplete
4th and 4: Need I say more?

In the PC, a reporter asked what he would do differently as far as play-calling....he specifically referenced this set of downs.

There were quite a few of us on here wondering what the heck they were doing passing the ball....the Skins were only playing with a 4-man front at the time as well....so it wasn't like they were run-blitzing either.

The passing plays didn't even take 30 seconds either.

The play-calling leaves alot to be desired.

Having said that, the players HAVE to do their part as well.

I fully agree, the coaches face some part of it, BUT it is not all their fault nor 90% to me it's more 50/50 40/60. PLayers make mistakes, and we need to find out whats wrong with the players on the field, the move on to the coaching

 

[wileedog]

Parcells is on record saying he dumbed down the playcalling for Bledsoe.

Link?

 

[Ashwynn]

http://mb11.scout.com/fcowboyupdatefrm10.showMessage?topicID=86399.topic

heres a post with a JJT article in it explaining the dumb down approach. Make it simple and easy for bledsoe to read the field. Sounded like I was reading about Carter for a minute. Makes you wonder.

PS. this is referrring to it, but I did read earlier in the year on this board or that board, about how Parcells is keeping it simple. I dont have the time to fish through all the posts for the actual quote from Parcells.

 

[wileedog]

http://mb11.scout.com/fcowboyupdatefrm10.showMessage?topicID=86399.topic

heres a post with a JJT article in it explaining the dumb down approach. Make it simple and easy for bledsoe to read the field. Sounded like I was reading about Carter for a minute. Makes you wonder.

PS. this is referrring to it, but I did read earlier in the year on this board or that board, about how Parcells is keeping it simple. I dont have the time to fish through all the posts for the actual quote from Parcells.

Can't log in there. Can you post the relevant part? I have seriously not seen this at all anywhere.

 

[NorTex]

There IS some blame that goes on the coaches though.....

I'll take you back to Washington....

We need to run down the clock...get a first down. So here's what we did:

1st and 10: JJ gets 6 yards...
2nd and 4: Pass...incomplete.
3rd and 4: Pass...incomplete
4th and 4: Need I say more?

In the PC, a reporter asked what he would do differently as far as play-calling....he specifically referenced this set of downs.

There were quite a few of us on here wondering what the heck they were doing passing the ball....the Skins were only playing with a 4-man front at the time as well....so it wasn't like they were run-blitzing either.

The passing plays didn't even take 30 seconds either.

The play-calling leaves alot to be desired.

Having said that, the players HAVE to do their part as well.

1st) You can always second guess a call that didn't work out.


2nd) The series that you describe is the series after Washington scored the 2nd time and took a 14-13 lead. Why would we want to run down the clock? We were trying to score. And we threw the ball on 4th down and gained three.

Maybe you're thinking about the following series which took place when the score was 13-7:

1-10-DAL31(3:42) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to K.Johnson. Pass thrown at midfield middle of the field.
2-10-DAL31(3:36) J.Jones left end to DAL 39 for 8 yards (W.Harris).
PENALTY on WAS-W.Harris, Face Mask (5 Yards), 5 yards, enforced at DAL 39.
1-10-DAL44(3:29) J.Jones left tackle to DAL 46 for 2 yards (M.Washington; P.Daniels).
2-8-DAL46(3:23) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to B.Pierce. Pass thrown right sideline.
3-8-DAL46(3:17) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass to K.Johnson to WAS 37 for 17 yards (M.Bowen).
PENALTY on DAL-F.Adams, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 46 - No Play.
3-18-DAL36(3:07) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass to J.Witten to DAL 49 for 13 yards (W.Harris).
4-5-DAL49(2:57) M.McBriar punts 51 yards to end zone, Center-J.Condo, Touchback.

Notice the 17 yard gain that was wiped out because a player held (Didn't execute)

 

[JackMagist]

I fully agree, the coaches face some part of it, BUT it is not all their fault nor 90% to me it's more 50/50 40/60. PLayers make mistakes, and we need to find out whats wrong with the players on the field, the move on to the coaching

That is the job of the coaches and the reason that they bear the ultimate responsibility. Certainly the players bare some blame for things going wrong. But the coaches are supposed to design schemes to play to the strengths of the players and protect their weaknesses. It is also their job to find among the players brought to them by the scouts and Bill Parcells the ones with the most talent and to teach them how to use it.

For instance the coverages that the players were playing against Santana Moss were designed and called by the coaches; coaches who know the capabilities of the players involved. One breakdown was not such a big thing but calling the same coverage and not making the adjustment after the first TD was inexcusable and it was the coaches who stuck with the same scheme after the weakness was exposed. The coverage failed because coaches misjudged the abilities of the players; it failed a second time because the coaches made no change to the coverage after it was exposed as a flawed scheme. The COACHES cost us that game.

 

[Ashwynn]

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Offense will stay cautious

07:59 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 4, 2005


The play selection has been conservative. That has been the plan since quarterback Drew Bledsoe arrived.

There’s no reason to change it.

This is one time you’re going to have to trust coach Bill Parcells as well as Buffalo coach Mike Mularkey and former Bills coach Gregg Williams.

They’ve all come to the conclusion that Bledsoe is no longer capable of being the focal point of an offensive attack, which is why Parcells and play-caller Sean Payton have taken this approach.

The fewer opportunities Bledsoe has an opportunity to make a bad decision, the better for the Cowboys’ offense. That does not make for exciting games all of the time, but the bottom line is winning, and this approach helps Dallas do that.

It’s one of the reasons they’re 2-2 – and could be 4-0. This approach is going to keep them in every contest by shortening the number of possessions and keeping the score close enough to give the Cowboys an opportunity to win in the fourth quarter.

Besides, Parcells was seduced by a strong-armed quarterback – Vinny Testaverde – last year and the bevy of weapons at his disposal. The result was a disastrous 6-10 season.

He will not let that happen again no matter how good Bledsoe, Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn or Jason Witten look on a particular day.

It’s hard for him to not use the firepower at his disposal, but Parcells is going for the greater good. Only time will tell if he’s made the right decision.

But there’s no indication he’s considering changing his thought process.

 

[notherbob]

With as many new players as there are on this team, it simply hasn't come together yet. When it does, it will be vastly improved. I just hope it's during my lifetime - oh, not for my sake, you understand, I've seen the Cowboys become a good team before; twice in fact, but my dog hasn't seen it yet...

 

[wileedog]

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Offense will stay cautious

07:59 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 4, 2005


The play selection has been conservative. That has been the plan since quarterback Drew Bledsoe arrived.

There’s no reason to change it.

This is one time you’re going to have to trust coach Bill Parcells as well as Buffalo coach Mike Mularkey and former Bills coach Gregg Williams.

They’ve all come to the conclusion that Bledsoe is no longer capable of being the focal point of an offensive attack, which is why Parcells and play-caller Sean Payton have taken this approach.

The fewer opportunities Bledsoe has an opportunity to make a bad decision, the better for the Cowboys’ offense. That does not make for exciting games all of the time, but the bottom line is winning, and this approach helps Dallas do that.

It’s one of the reasons they’re 2-2 – and could be 4-0. This approach is going to keep them in every contest by shortening the number of possessions and keeping the score close enough to give the Cowboys an opportunity to win in the fourth quarter.

Besides, Parcells was seduced by a strong-armed quarterback – Vinny Testaverde – last year and the bevy of weapons at his disposal. The result was a disastrous 6-10 season.

He will not let that happen again no matter how good Bledsoe, Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn or Jason Witten look on a particular day.

It’s hard for him to not use the firepower at his disposal, but Parcells is going for the greater good. Only time will tell if he’s made the right decision.

But there’s no indication he’s considering changing his thought process.

"COnservative" does not equal "dumbed down".

Quincy Carter was incapable of checking down 2-4 recievers. He just couldn't do it. He would stare down his primary for a second or two, then dump off to the RB or take off. By the 3/4 point of the 2003 sason his YPA was less than T-Ham's YPC.

THat's not the same as what this article implies. THere have been numerous plays this season when you could watch Bledsoe go through his progressions. The 'conservative' approach this article implies is a run-first philosophy that Bill has adopted to protect both Drew and a young, mistake prone defense.

THat's not 'dumbed down'. Its smart football consider who your QB is and what his well demonstrated weaknesses are. But when Dallas calls a pass play, there is nothing in that article that implies it is anything less complicated then what Peyton Manning does (although he obviously does it much better).

 

[Ashwynn]

You can call it what you want. The fact remains, Bledsoes being treated as a bus driver. Dont make mistakes, Dont turn the ball over, Hand the ball to the guy behind you. DONT THINK, DO WHAT YOUR TOLD!!!! Bledsoe was a top tier QB at one point. Hes been reduced to Quincy Carter status. When it was Carter they simplified the offense for its Dumbing down, but when its Bledsoe its Conservative? ok - my bad.

 

[wileedog]

When it was Carter they simplified the offense for its Dumbing down, but when its Bledsoe its Conservative? ok - my bad.

Again, with Carter they cut down the amount of reads he had to deal with. They limited his options to 1 or 2 recievers.

With Bledsoe they are simply not calling on the pass as often, preferring to rely on the run. When they do pass, nobody is "dumbing down" anything, at least not according to the article you cited.

Its apples and oranges.

 

[Jimz31]

1st) You can always second guess a call that didn't work out.


2nd) The series that you describe is the series after Washington scored the 2nd time and took a 14-13 lead. Why would we want to run down the clock? We were trying to score. And we threw the ball on 4th down and gained three.

Maybe you're thinking about the following series which took place when the score was 13-7:

1-10-DAL31(3:42) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to K.Johnson. Pass thrown at midfield middle of the field.
2-10-DAL31(3:36) J.Jones left end to DAL 39 for 8 yards (W.Harris).
PENALTY on WAS-W.Harris, Face Mask (5 Yards), 5 yards, enforced at DAL 39.
1-10-DAL44(3:29) J.Jones left tackle to DAL 46 for 2 yards (M.Washington; P.Daniels).
2-8-DAL46(3:23) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to B.Pierce. Pass thrown right sideline.
3-8-DAL46(3:17) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass to K.Johnson to WAS 37 for 17 yards (M.Bowen).
PENALTY on DAL-F.Adams, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 46 - No Play.
3-18-DAL36(3:07) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass to J.Witten to DAL 49 for 13 yards (W.Harris).
4-5-DAL49(2:57) M.McBriar punts 51 yards to end zone, Center-J.Condo, Touchback.

Notice the 17 yard gain that was wiped out because a player held (Didn't execute)

No, the series that I showed was the one that BP directly referenced.

I understand that we needed to score, but at that point, all that we needed was a FG.

Go back and listen to the PC.

 

[Ashwynn]

Either way, its an underuse of a talent. When you have a nice little QB that has shown no history of mental mistakes, why not utilize that? Parcells has trust issues all over the place. Wether you simply dont call passing plays or only call simple 4-5 yard patterns, your QB is on a leash. Even if its because your receivers are the weak link, when you chose to run the ball as a main thrust of your offense, its for a reason.

I see it differently then you. Nothing wrong in that. I see a man who does not trust his QB to not lose a game. Maybe its all the Carter/Vinny INTs. Maybe its because he really wants to hold the ball 45 minutes a game. But in any event the play calling has been simplified for the purpose. Wether its Bledsoe or the scheme, theres no trust on the part of Parcells to let the QB position play the game.

 

[kartr]

"COnservative" does not equal "dumbed down".

Quincy Carter was incapable of checking down 2-4 recievers. He just couldn't do it. He would stare down his primary for a second or two, then dump off to the RB or take off. By the 3/4 point of the 2003 sason his YPA was less than T-Ham's YPC.

THat's not the same as what this article implies. THere have been numerous plays this season when you could watch Bledsoe go through his progressions. The 'conservative' approach this article implies is a run-first philosophy that Bill has adopted to protect both Drew and a young, mistake prone defense.

THat's not 'dumbed down'. Its smart football consider who your QB is and what his well demonstrated weaknesses are. But when Dallas calls a pass play, there is nothing in that article that implies it is anything less complicated then what Peyton Manning does (although he obviously does it much better).

How do you know what Carter was capable of, he had just 15 starts prior to BP's arrival. He beat Carolina by checking down to his TE and RB's. The Carolina defensive coordinator admitted he screwed up by taking Carter for granted. He changed his tactic to attacking Carter instead of doubling down on the outside receivers in the playoff game, but Carter still had 154 yards passing and only 1 int with 5 min. to go in the game. The defense couldn't stop Carolina and Dallas couldn't run the ball. Carter showed he is least capable of managing a game and getting a team to the playoffs, something Bledsoe hasn't been able to do in a long time.

 

[Waffle]

How do you know what Carter was capable of, he had just 15 starts prior to BP's arrival. He beat Carolina by checking down to his TE and RB's. The Carolina defensive coordinator admitted he screwed up by taking Carter for granted. He changed his tactic to attacking Carter instead of doubling down on the outside receivers in the playoff game, but Carter still had 154 yards passing and only 1 int with 5 min. to go in the game. The defense couldn't stop Carolina and Dallas couldn't run the ball. Carter showed he is least capable of managing a game and getting a team to the playoffs, something Bledsoe hasn't been able to do in a long time.

Ok...break's over. Time to go back into your grievance hearing.