Hall of Fame for Parcells?

[Kilyin]

Maybe he gets in and maybe he doesn't...I don't care one way or the other.

Ditto. Now that he's no longer affiliated with the Cowboys, it's inconsequential. He isn't getting in based on his tenure with this team, but most likely will due to past accomplishments.

I would maintain that he did well here -- folk's expectations are just way too high. Too many superbowls = one very spoiled fan base.

As far as fans expecting miracles, wasn't it Parcells who said "Get your expectations up, because that's where mine are"? So can you really blame anyone for being disappointed?

 

[InmanRoshi]

He'll be a no brainer first ballot HOF, and it's absolutely frightening to think where the organization would be today if not for him. Romo would have been released two years ago, if he ever came here at all, and we would currently be working on year 3 of the Drew Henson Quarterback of the Future Project.

 

[Kilyin]

Yeah, because no other coach could have possibly surmised that Drew Henson was a complete jagoff. Hell, for all we know, another coach would have started Romo two years ago...

I know it's fun to guess about parallel universes and play the 'what if' game, but is it really unthinkable that another coach could have gotten us 9-7 (one and done) or the elusive playoff victory? I don't think so.

 

[gbrittain]

Yeah, because no other coach could have possibly surmised that Drew Henson was a complete jagoff. Hell, for all we know, another coach would have started Romo two years ago...

I know it's fun to guess about parallel universes and play the 'what if' game, but is it really unthinkable that another coach could have gotten us 9-7 (one and done) or the elusive playoff victory? I don't think so.

I agree. I do not understand why it is so difficult to understand that yes we are better than when Campo was here but it is not like he something herculean while he was here.

His legacy will have to be what happens to the foundation he built while he was here, because in the record book nothing he did while he was here is special. Ok...maybe, but not special.

 

[Alexander]

Also, I want someone to say "well if Lynn Swan is in the hall then Bill Parcells should be"

If Weeb Ewbank is in the Hall so should Bill Parcells.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, because no other coach could have possibly surmised that Drew Henson was a complete jagoff. Hell, for all we know, another coach would have started Romo two years ago...

I know it's fun to guess about parallel universes and play the 'what if' game, but is it really unthinkable that another coach could have gotten us 9-7 (one and done) or the elusive playoff victory? I don't think so.

You miss the point about Henson.

Jones was very much a Henson backer and would have forced him down anyone's throat, but he respected Parcells enough that he didn't push the issue at all. Another coach, like Campo for example, would get the player pushed until it was proven in losses on the field that Henson couldn't play.

One very forgotten point about Parcells' tenure here is what he taught Jerry Jones about building a team.

Without that, we would still be struggling to find our way with an owner who still believes he can evaluate football talent. Jones did learn to defer to his scouts and football experts more and has become less and less of the emotional type who invested money in names in an effort to get the quick fix. Coach Parcells taught him patience. Before this excursion, we had a version of Daniel Snyder, except this one had rings.

 

[InmanRoshi]

To use the analogy, Parcells was basically like a hired business consultant who had to come into a company that had a failed business model, hemorrhaging money, had no leadership or vision on top, wasting assets, tons of debt and teetering on the verge of Chapter 11. He had to completely come in and overhaul everything as far as how the company did business. Did he leave it a global Fortune 500 company? No, but at least now the company can pay its bills, is returning profit and has a successful business model in place to reap from for the future.

Its not so much that its better now than it was under Campo, which has now become kind of a cliche, that I'm basing Bill's value here on. Of course its better than it was unde Campo, but its that we should (unless Jerry fubars it up again) never have to relive another another Campo era that's the value. Of course you'll have your cyclical peaks and valleys, but we should (unless Jerry fubars it up again) never have that degree of organizational cluelessness again where a mediocre to bad team is trading two first round picks for wide receivers thinking they're the missing link to a Superbowl and building the organization around failed baseball players.

 

[Alexander]

To use the analogy, Parcells was basically like a business consultant who had to come into a company that was hemmoraging money, had no leadership or vision, wasted assets, tons of debt and teetering on the verge of Chapter 11. He had to completely come in and overhaul everything from the ground up. Is it a Fortune 500 Company when he left? No, but at least now the company can pay its bills, is returning some profit and has a successful business model in place.

But yet, many of the clueless shareholders are angry because their stock which was worth in the single figures when the consultant came aboard are angry because it isn't in the high triple figures four years later.

Bill Parcells put the Dallas Cowboys back in the driver's seat. It might not be in the manner that most fans want, but I am positive that a few more years of the same thing we had back in 2002 would not have got the new stadium built and a Super Bowl for North Texas. And I am sure Jones appreciates the worth of the franchise and brand today as opposed to what it was.

 

[AbeBeta]

Coaches don''t have to be away for 5 years.

Tom Landry...HOF Class of 1990.

True. Bill likely wasn't elected to the hall prior because there was an expectation that he'd return to coaching at sometime.

 

[Chuck 54]

Bill Parcells is a first ballot HOF inductee as a coach...period...no question in my feeble mind.

I'd love to think he'd never make it in his lifetime...I'd be rolling over laughing and enjoying myself all the way to hell for my sinful attitude, but I'd love to see him disappear and never get into the Hall.

However, it won't happen...he's in first try in a landslide...for all his surly ways, the media actually love him.

 

[iceberg]

Does Bill go to the Hall of Fame?

His winning percentage is a tad lower than many HoF coaches -- 57% regular season -- but he did take over several stinkers -- most of the coaches currently in the hall didn't coach much post-1994 (when the salary cap and the age of parity began). Bill has 9 post cap coaching seasons.

The Giants were awful his first year but he turned them into a powerhouse. He won 2 Superbowls there. Marv Levy has 0 and is rightfully in the hall.

In New England he took over a crap team and got them to a Superbowl in year 4.

In New York he took over a crap team and turned them around.

In Dallas, he again joined a team that stank. This time failed to win a playoff game. However, he built a very solid core for the team -- only the most ignorant would say that he didn't have overall a very good influence on personnel decisions. Many folks here indicated when he left that they would love to have him stay as a GM.

That record, to me makes him a first ballot HoF guy. Hands down.

Yes. Parcells is a HOF fame coach for his entire career.

 

[AbeBeta]

Looking at his performance before and in Dallas it might be useful to compare him to Joe Gibbs -- Gibbs is in the HoF. In Wash he's gone 21-27. He did manage a playoff win. But most would argue his influence on the roster hasn't been great. As Alexander pointed out -- Bill taught Jerry something. Is Gibbs teaching Snyder something?

Like it or not Snyder and Jones are pretty similar as owners - it takes a great coach to influence someone like that.

 

[theogt]

Looking at his performance before and in Dallas it might be useful to compare him to Joe Gibbs -- Gibbs is in the HoF. In Wash he's gone 21-27. He did manage a playoff win. But most would argue his influence on the roster hasn't been great. As Alexander pointed out -- Bill taught Jerry something. Is Gibbs teaching Snyder something?

Like it or not Snyder and Jones are pretty similar as owners - it takes a great coach to influence someone like that.

Well, if they can learn from their mistakes they should learn quite a bit.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Does anyone really think Parcells won't make it or doesn't deserve it?

I think the only thing anyone has a problem with is the job he did here. But that won't affect anyone's vote on his career as a whole.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Of course Parcells will go into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, you won't find anyone that will dispute that fact unless they have NO real football knowledge.

 

[gbrittain]

Looking at his performance before and in Dallas it might be useful to compare him to Joe Gibbs -- Gibbs is in the HoF. In Wash he's gone 21-27. He did manage a playoff win. But most would argue his influence on the roster hasn't been great. As Alexander pointed out -- Bill taught Jerry something. Is Gibbs teaching Snyder something?

Like it or not Snyder and Jones are pretty similar as owners - it takes a great coach to influence someone like that.

I pretty much agree with that. Like I said, BPs legacy will be what becomes of the core he put together.

If his core turns out to be a dud, the BP era will be just a blip on the radar and nothing more. The lesson learned for Jerry will be never to pay big dollars to a big name coach again.

 

[AbeBeta]

The lesson learned for Jerry will be never to pay big dollars to a big name coach again.

Totally disagree there -- pay big money -- but if you want a long term commitment, don't hire a 62 year old

 

[Alexander]

The lesson learned for Jerry will be never to pay big dollars to a big name coach again.

So couple that with the lessons learned from the "don't hire a puppet" era, I guess the only alternative is for Jones to coach the team himself.

 

[iceberg]

Totally disagree there -- pay big money -- but if you want a long term commitment, don't hire a 62 year old

i think people like to spout off about jones ignorance for their own state of mind, not that it could actually be true.

i just don't know too many totally stupid people who can make millions and oversee the building of a billion dollar stadium. how can someone who can't or won't learn accomplish so much?

befuddling.

 

[gbrittain]

Totally disagree there -- pay big money -- but if you want a long term commitment, don't hire a 62 year old

I was not serious in the fact that BP has learned not to pay another high profile coach big time money. We could all make assumptions what JJ has learned.

I was really getting at the fact that BP has not been gone long enough to gauge what JJ has learned. Talk to me in 5-10 years down the road before we talk about what JJ has and has not learned.