Hamlin is the fire we needed!!!

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I just went to a Seattle message board and there were many comments about how they are going to miss how he played with so much fire on the field and always tried his hardest!!! Just that alone makes him worth 2.5 mill.
 

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rojan;1433900 said:
I just went to a Seattle message board and there were many comments about how they are going to miss how he played with so much fire on the field and always tried his hardest!!! Just that alone makes him worth 2.5 mill.
True dat!
 

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for once in a great while, I'm going to be seeing a Dallas player talk smack and get in people's faces
 

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I don't see how he hurts Dallas, he pushes Watkins to play harder, he's young himself and proven. He allows Davis to remain a special teams standout that stays away from defense except in an emergency.

Wise signing, at worst he isn't back in 2008 and at best Watkins remains a back up for his duration of time in Dallas.

Ideally Hamlin performs and Watkins takes his job in 2008 but not because of Hamlin's shortcomings but rather on account of Watkins' improvement.
 

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...the downside to that "fire" is apparently a plethora of 15 yard variety flags...according to those oh so clever seahawks fans. He better tighten up.
 

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they also called us arrogant pri*** over there. How dare they:D
 

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tomson75;1433940 said:
...the downside to that "fire" is apparently a plethora of 15 yard variety flags...according to those oh so clever seahawks fans. He better tighten up.

Here's something I found that might dispel that.

From Kyle Rota of Seahawks.net for Scout.com:

In an attempt to debunk one of the more frequently espoused fairy tales on the Seahawks.NET message boards – that safety Ken Hamlin is a “hothead” whose “inability to avoid stupid penalties” is “killing his team”, our own Kyle Rota ran down the actual facts. What he discovered is that the opinion is nothing but ridiculous. Bottom line? Hamlin isn’t the problem.

First off, I'd like to start this article by thanking Aaron Schatz and Football Outsiders for allowing me to use their proprietary penalty data to prove just how much of a “bonehead” Ken Hamlin is.
“Another day, another stupid penalty by Ken Hamlin. Whether it is for five yards or for fifteen yards, the guy just cannot play by the rules. His hotheaded play has cost the Seahawks multiple games this season. There should be no question about what we do this offseason: Hamlin has to go. He wracks up the penalties, and the Seattle defense cannot even stop the offense without penalties.

“I mean, Hamlin was flagged just a few weeks back against San Francisco. And he committed an unnecessary roughness against both Kansas City (Week 8) AND St. Louis (Week 6). As if that were not bad enough, he also committed a defensive pass interference against Arizona in Week 2. And then he... well... there was the one time he... wait... you mean he has only had 4 penalties all season?”

That’s right, folks. Hamlin has committed a grand total of four penalties this season. The perception with Ken Hamlin is that he is simply killing the Seahawks with his stupid penalties. While you'd certainly like to see four less penalties from Hamlin, they are not the game-killers that Hamlin's detractors would have you believe.

Seattle has been losing games in all sorts of fashion - letting Frank Gore run for half a billion yards, Matt Hasselbeck gift-wrapping passes for defenders, Chris Gray giving defenders a shortcut to the backfield, fumblemania, coverage breakdowns with 36 seconds remaining, etc. Seattle has not been losing games on penalties by Ken Hamlin or any Seahawk.

“Ok, fine, he's only committed four penalties. But it seems like he gets more fouls than anyone else, he's probably among the league leaders in flags. After all, the league is throwing less flags than last year.”

Well... Not really. In fact, that theory is flat out wrong. The league leader in penalties through week 15, Ravens cornerback Chris McAllister, has four times as many penalties as Hamlin (16, ranging from offsides (as a cornerback?) to illegal use of hands). Rams tackle Alex Barron can claim 14 penalties of his own (11 false starts would indicate he needs to stop chugging the Mountain Dew), while Cardinals cornerback Antrel Rolle needs to keep his hands to himself (an astonishing seven defensive pass interferences, and one defensive holding make up the bulk of his 13 penalties).

Two players (Cardinals guard Reggie Wells and Panthers defensive tackle Kris Jenkins) are tied at twelve penalties - still thrice that of Hamlin. Hamlin does not have many penalties, and what he does have pales in comparison to everyone else.

Just as how people have stubbornly held onto beliefs involving Shaun Alexander, Darrell Jackson, and Marcus Tubbs, people formed an opinion early of Ken Hamlin, and would rather cling to that misguided opinion than face reality. Ken Hamlin is NOT committing penalties at an unprecedented rate. He is barely committing penalties.

“But committing penalties is clearly a sign of an undisciplined, bad ballplayer.”

Except that even the best players commit penalties. Chris McAlister is a top-notch cornerback on an outstanding defense. Kris Jenkins is, when healthy, among the most dominating tackles in the NFL. Alex Barron is the most physically gifted right tackle in football, and a major reason why St. Louis ranks fourth in the league in Adjusted Line Yards.

While neither Reggie Wells nor Antrel Rolle are great players, they have a great excuse - they're coached by soon-to-be-former Arizona Cardinal Head Coach Dennis Green, who is as well considered a head coach as David Greene is considered a Quarterback. That Ken Hamlin commits penalties does not mean he is a good or bad player. Instead, fans should look at his great coverage the past two seasons and his very solid run support.

Hamlin isn’t even above and beyond in the number of specific penalties he’s become notorious for in certain circles. Washington safety Sean Taylor, Atlanta cornerback DeAngelo Hall and Cleveland defensive end Orpheus Roye all have two personal foul penalties this year. Hamlin has one, and that was an offsetting call with 49ers running back Frank Gore.

Unnecessary roughness? Hamlin, Chicago cornerback Charles Tillman and Indianapolis linebacker Gary Brackett all have two of those through fourteen games. But Taylor has one of those penalties AND a 15-yard facemask in addition to his two personal fouls. If you want to point fingers at a safety whose undisciplined play might be hurting his team, Taylor’s direction might be the way to go.

The Seahawks defense is really bad for a ton of reasons: Poor tackling, horrendous play up front by the defensive line, an astonishing 10 quarters in between sacks (against either first or second year starters, at that), Kelly Herndon's inability to outrun the hot-dog vendor, vanilla gamecalling, and a host of other flaws all contribute more to Seahawk losses than the four penalties Hamlin has amassed.

There is simply no reason to pin these losses on Hamlin's penalties - the evidence is irrefutable and overwhelming.
 

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gimmesix;1433972 said:
Here's something I found that might dispel that.

From Kyle Rota of Seahawks.net for Scout.com:
I love it when the truth comes out.....thanks for the post
 

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That article makes it sound like the Seahawks were not generating enough pressure last year to help out their safety's. Maybe that is the reason he didn't do as well in coverage last year compared to the previous year.
 

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adamknite;1433959 said:
Why did they say that?
It is called "America's Team Envy" I think it was diagnosed on an episode of House.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1433922 said:
for once in a great while, I'm going to be seeing a Dallas player talk smack and get in people's faces

Davis did that but he got shot on the way home from church ;)
 

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rojan;1433989 said:
That article makes it sound like the Seahawks were not generating enough pressure last year to help out their safety's. Maybe that is the reason he didn't do as well in coverage last year compared to the previous year.

there's a reason Hamlin's play dropped of, and it had to do w/ the Seahags sacks dropping from 52 to 41
 

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silverbear;1434089 said:
Because we're smarter and better looking than they are, and they're jealous of us...


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That's the move I taught to Emmitt Smith.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1433983 said:
Hamlin has to prove he can be a true FS in order for me to say he's the guy...
Prove he's a true FS?:confused: Hamlin played FS his entire collegiate AND NFL career and he has to "prove" he's a true FS? :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
 
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