HardKnocks Volume 2, second hardknocks film from last year,

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OK, here is volume 2 (second show of the season last year) of the hardknocks show from last year, at the end you will see the real ugly part, that i thiink really shows on this team, some coaches not doing their jobs right, give your viewpoints, knock it around, etc.

Showed jason witten with his little boy, jason put the helmet on his little boy, and he fell over crying, while wade said watch out for the boy stealing a helmet, whoops wade thats jerry jones grandson.

Wade talking about family, which is all good and bad, sometimes you have to hold players accoutable, and quit the foolilshness of treating them like professionals. Way too soft on players. You can be a good ole boy, but what happens when you have to buckle down and hit when you have too. But your letting the players run around in shorts looking hot and all that, when they need to be toughening up, they arent gettting there.

Showed bum phillips with his players, even telliing his players you go on and you can do it when you get back. Wrong thing to say.

Wade says we compete and try to get better, wrong attitude and answer to these players, you dont compete to try to get better you do it, with like an arrogance about you, that you will be better. To me, like jimmy johnson when he was asked in year of offseason, of 91, will you be upset if you dont make the playoffs, Jimmmy said we will make the playoffs, almost arrogance, but jimmy knew he was going to work the players and have them ready, but wade says we try to get better. Is that the right attitude to present to the players?

Showed T O going after a db in practice. Which competition brings out the best in players, but the cowboys forgot one main issue, you didnt let players compete for starting job opportunities, so in essence, some players got lackdaisal and didnt give the 100 plus percent, which stephen jones stated that in the press conference this year.

Showed majic johnson talking about goals and being there for each other and trust each other, and said im loolking at the super bowl champion right now, again, wrong thing to say, earn it first,

Showed felix jones, which is the good of this team, pure athelete and most talented with youth. Like felix said, you play like could be your last play.then showed lattimore, and jerry jones impressed with his running ability, showed a great cut in practice. Had some pretty good runs but keon wouldnt finish runs. showed him on a kickoff, and did really good. Again, just like last year, we all know how wade said i dont trust felix on kickoffs, and i dont trust choice in running. Thats the big key issue to me on this team, the coaches arent getting or using the most talent out of these players.

Talked about tank johnson, i wont go into that because tank isnt with the team anymore.

showed john garrett working with bennett and majic johnson takling to bennett and jerry jones. Now, one of my main points, here is the good, john garrett was on bennett right and left, but wide recieviers coach wasnt on the wrs especially lobher like he should have been to me. To me, its the coaches jobs to be on these playes 24/7 right and left. Granted, players have to show that they want to practice and work hard, but its the coaches job to get on them when they mess up or dont do the play right. I will go into this more later. Maybe Hostile whom has played the game or DC give us their viewponits.

Talked about mrs price, one of the more vocal fans out at practice.

Thats one of my dreams, i wish i had lots of money so i could be at practices every day, with different jerseys every day, etc.

Showed playes working out hard in weight room, lifting weights, then went on to players not eating alot or gaining too much weight. Again, the good is players watching their weight,

Showed danny amendola, wade talked about him running full speed and hard to gauge him, thats the good part. Even T O said amendola would make somebody elses team.

Now showing zach thomas, again showed zach thomas on punt returns, receiving punts etc, and crayton popped off again, he is going to pull every abs muscle he has got, well crayton why dont you give it your all harder in practice on punt returns and be more serious.

Ok wade said something here about zach, even linebackers coach Hderrings said you have to kick him out of meeting room; wade said he is going man he is going farther like guy throws the ball then they go but zach is right there, thats instincts wade, you cant teach that to players either they have it or not.

some teams preach family, the cowboys practice it, Ok, could this team be too much oriented in family and not enough on playing football. Showed 3 garretts on the team as coaches and wades son on the team as a coach. Is that too much of family in the team as coaches? Just giving a thought here and asking your opinion.

Later they showed wades family on the team with practice, jerry jones family of grandsons etc, and even jason garrett father contributing to the team his thoughts. Is that too much family stuff and not enough hitting and practicing hard in training camp? Lots of looseness with laughter on sidelines, lots of hand shaking from wade to players, with wes phillips, again is that too much and not enough coaches just coaching football?

Talked about adam jones on the team, wont talk about that since he isnt with the team anymore.

Showed todd lobher, came through jim garrett, showed raw todd lobher former basketball ball player missing on a route, and wr coach told him why did you do that, and then he tells him to get out off practice field etc. Is that wrong Hostile or DC or guys that played the game. Ok they had jim garrett (jason garrett father) and he said like he told lobher i dont care if you run rotten routes, or loook like a sloppy football player garrett said if yoiu cant teach this athelete to play football then somethning is wrong. Thats my point, isnt it the wr coaches job to teach players, spend that extra time with them when they do something wrong? Give your thoughts. Again, i point to lots of time in games last year, when wade said we got outplayed on offense, defense and special teams, even got outcoached. Isnt it shermans job to teach these players? Not when they mess up, get off field.

Again, in this film, i see lots and lots more of focus on family, laughter, kidding, horsing around, and not being serious, coaching hard, and having players practice hard like they should, at least thats what i saw, give your thoughts.

Listen up mistakes are mine, the effort is yours, but dont worry about mistakes, is that the wrong thing to say to the players? Thats what wade said.

In san diego game, cowboys are leading, etc, and amondola fumbles on punt return, again mistake, so who is at fault here, wade for saying mistakes are mine, effort is yours, in that game the momentum changed when amondola fumbled. Again, that happened in lots of games last year, its like jimmy johnson, terry bradshaw, said, this is a sloppy sloppy football team, to many mistakes, so who is at fault here? Players or coaches for not making players accountable?


ok we all wanted to know whom was calling plays down to jason garrett from press box, i saw john garrett in press box, talking to bennett, getting on him like leettnig shawn phillips beat him across his face..
Like on one play on special teams, todd lobher is fixing to come into the game, bruce read says i know i was late, it was my fault, lowber says i know its my fault too, again, this shows poor coaching . Now, if i was head coach, and i see that, that the special teams coach isnt doing his job right, which reflects on me, i would be on the special teams coach like stink on a bug, and he had better get the job done right, we all know how that worked out with bruce read, again, is that read's fault, or is that also wades fault, give your thoughts? and yes, im glad we got some special teams players that love special teams, and its sad though, when you have players that were on special teams and they werent doing their job right,, for whatever reason,again that is the real ugly;
 

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cowboyjoe;2767548 said:
Like on one play on special teams, todd lobher is fixing to come into the game, bruce read says i know i was late, it was my fault, lowber says i know its my fault too, again, this shows poor coaching . Now, if i was head coach, and i see that, that the special teams coach isnt doing his job right, which reflects on me, i would be on the special teams coach like stink on a bug, and he had better get the job done right, we all know how that worked out with bruce read, again, is that read's fault, or is that also wades fault, give your thoughts? and yes, im glad we got some special teams players that love special teams, and its sad though, when you have players that were on special teams and they werent doing their job right,, for whatever reason,again that is the real ugly;

When it is everyone's fault, it is no one's fault.
 

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So are you saying the players should have absolutly NO FUN? And just stick there faces in the turf 125% of the time?
 

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JVita17;2767613 said:
So are you saying the players should have absolutly NO FUN? And just stick there faces in the turf 125% of the time?

no you have fun to break the douldrums of camp, but to me, what i saw was way too much laughing, fun, joking around and not being serious

and not enough good coaching, from some coaches,
i think we all agree bruce read wasnt doing his job
to me ray sherman wasnt doing his job either;
we all know how after sparano left, playcalling was left to be desired last yr
we saw how the offensive line played last year too

its kinda like a fan said last year, when the dolphins played one of wade phillips teams, it was pretty evenly matched till 4th qtr
then parcells team won in the 4th qtr, just like jimmy johnsons teams, they won in the 4th qtr because they were worked hard, battle tested and geared to pull away from teams in 4th qtr, to me, wade phillips teams arent gearerd that way, way too much family stuff and not enough serious football coaching, practicing, etc

again just my thoughts;
 

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I watched this again last night and one of the things that struck more for me this time in regards to Lowber and Keon was a very simple fact...you can't show what you can do in game situations when they don't put you in.

That's piss poor coaching, IMO, when you've got guys you need to be taking a hard look at and you don't even get them on the field.

As for them their reactions pissed me off, frankly. Keon was all "Well we've got 3 more games to get into." while Lowber really didn't say anything.

Why aren't guys like that more pissed off? Why didn't you go back to the coaches and say "Hey how the hell am I supposed to show you want I can do if you're not even going to get me on the field? ***?"

I would have liked to have seen some emotion from them. Scream a little bit about it. Get someones attention. Let them know that you don't want to waste your time standing on the sidelines, during games, get the coaches to get your butt then there and give a shot to show what you can do.

Those two things struck me most about the episode, watching it again now.
 

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JVita17;2767613 said:
So are you saying the players should have absolutly NO FUN? And just stick there faces in the turf 125% of the time?

All I can say is that they better not take vacations, go to basketball games, wear their caps backwards or play golf. Ever.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2767646 said:
As for them their reactions pissed me off, frankly. Keon was all "Well we've got 3 more games to get into." while Lowber really didn't say anything.

Why aren't guys like that more pissed off? Why didn't you go back to the coaches and say "Hey how the hell am I supposed to show you want I can do if you're not even going to get me on the field? ***?"

I would have liked to have seen some emotion from them. Scream a little bit about it. Get someones attention. Let them know that you don't want to waste your time standing on the sidelines, during games, get the coaches to get your butt then there and give a shot to show what you can do.

I would find it funny if players who aren't good enough, like Lowber and Lattimore, threw fits about getting opportunities.
 

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Last season is over already we know how it ended there's no need to over analyze it anymore. this has to be the longest offseason in history
 

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It was great last year when Wade properly said Lowber just wasn't a football player... And then people jumped him for being too mean.

The whole Jim Garrett pimping of the guy was weird anyway. Who cares if he was fast... The guy barely knew how to buckle a chinstrap.
 

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Alexander;2767661 said:
I would find it funny if players who aren't good enough, like Lowber and Lattimore, threw fits about getting opportunities.


You mean to tell me if you were in their situation you wouldn't do absolutey everything you could to get yourself a shot to get on the field and show what you can do?

I think you're cheating yourself if you're not doing everything you can, and that would include bringing it to coaches attention when they don't get you on the field, to get on the field and give yourself a shot to showcase what skills you have.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2767646 said:
I watched this again last night and one of the things that struck more for me this time in regards to Lowber and Keon was a very simple fact...you can't show what you can do in game situations when they don't put you in.

That's piss poor coaching, IMO, when you've got guys you need to be taking a hard look at and you don't even get them on the field.

As for them their reactions pissed me off, frankly. Keon was all "Well we've got 3 more games to get into." while Lowber really didn't say anything.

Why aren't guys like that more pissed off? Why didn't you go back to the coaches and say "Hey how the hell am I supposed to show you want I can do if you're not even going to get me on the field? ***?"

I would have liked to have seen some emotion from them. Scream a little bit about it. Get someones attention. Let them know that you don't want to waste your time standing on the sidelines, during games, get the coaches to get your butt then there and give a shot to show what you can do.

Those two things struck me most about the episode, watching it again now.

thanks braveheart, that stuck out to me too, at same time, a player cant scream at his coaches, till he becomes a good player, to me, when you a rookie, you have to show that you can get along on the team, with coaches and players, so i guess its a fine line you have to toat

but i agree with what you said too, i noticed that too
 

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Alexander;2767661 said:
I would find it funny if players who aren't good enough, like Lowber and Lattimore, threw fits about getting opportunities.

well i will say this about lowber and lattimore and i will back up what i say by reminding you about what happened to felix jones and choice;

remember what wade said, i dont trust him on kickoffs, but when you saw him play there, after miles austin and stanback got hurt and wade had to play them, you saw what felix did right Alexander?

and you did see what choice did after wade had to play him, but before that, wade said i dont trust him, but when forced to play choice you saw the results right?

thats my point, to me, wade is going around too much too goody too shoes, harping on family affair, giving players extra days off when he should have been working them, letting them run around in shorts the first 25 days in training camp without hitting etc

you saw the results right? you saw the special teams coach say, oh my fault, i didnt get you out there fast enough, bull corn, that coach wasnt doing his job right, and neither was wade for letting him keep coaching special teams, which eventually due to poor coaching, our best punter ever mcbrair got hurt

thats sloppy football, nothing else, just like jimmy johnson, terry bradshaw and howie long said, and that goes back to the head coach for letting it happen;

just like with lowber, the wrs coachs job is to teach that player and get him ready to play football, if the san diego chargers whom got a very good basketball player and taught their all world TE Antonio Gates how to play football, and learn the TE position, so can Ray Sherman WR coach get off of his fat butt and work and teach these wrs how to play that game. Thats his job, period;

for example, just look at dave campo he worked and worked the cbs and got them fairly well to play the game, and campos voice was hoarse for screaming so much and talking to the players, but look at sherman, he has gotten fat and lazy to me

even michael irvin has to come onto the field and teach the wrs some things,
 

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Ren;2767670 said:
Last season is over already we know how it ended there's no need to over analyze it anymore. this has to be the longest offseason in history

till you learn from your mistakes, you will repeat them over and over;
 

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Chocolate Lab;2767727 said:
It was great last year when Wade properly said Lowber just wasn't a football player... And then people jumped him for being too mean.

The whole Jim Garrett pimping of the guy was weird anyway. Who cares if he was fast... The guy barely knew how to buckle a chinstrap.

true, but he had pure deep speed, speed you cant teach a player, and if the chargers can team a basketball player like antonio gates how to play the game that didnt every play football before so can the cowboys coaches to me

if the cowboys back in 70's could teach another basketball player like cornell greene, how to play db and if the cowboys could teach drew pearson how to play wr, so can the coaches now, dont give me that, when you ask a player why he ran the route tight, the player doesnt know that much, its your job to teach him, to get off of your fat lazy rear end ray sherman and do you job;

just think about this for a minute, we signed hurd, miles austin with wrs coach haley and coach parcells,

they started the ball rolling, in the time that ray sherman has been here, what wrs has he groomed and gotten ready to play the game? think about that?
 

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cowboyjoe;2767767 said:
till you learn from your mistakes, you will repeat them over and over;

Only mistake i made was buying into the hype, that's not gonna happen again.
As far as what the team does, that's out of my control regardless of how much i analyze it
 

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The thing is I doubt having tougher practices will help cut down on the catastrophic mistakes this team makes considering Parcells couldn't break them from doing it.


But it may help with the focus of this team which definetely cost us some games this year.

The 1st Washington game, the Arizona game, and the Philly game at the end of the year Dallas just looked like they thought they would win just by showing up.
 

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CATCH17;2767800 said:
The thing is I doubt having tougher practices will help cut down on the catastrophic mistakes this team makes considering Parcells couldn't break them from doing it.


But it may help with the focus of this team which definetely cost us some games this year.

The 1st Washington game, the Arizona game, and the Philly game at the end of the year Dallas just looked like they thought they would win just by showing up.

totally agree catch
 

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cowboyjoe;2767751 said:
thanks braveheart, that stuck out to me too, at same time, a player cant scream at his coaches, till he becomes a good player, to me, when you a rookie, you have to show that you can get along on the team, with coaches and players, so i guess its a fine line you have to toat

but i agree with what you said too, i noticed that too


Screaming is probably the wrong way to phrase what I'm talking about. i just mean they should be doing everything they can to make sure people realise they need a shot and that they want that shot. Just standing on the sideline, doing nothing, and letting a full game of oppurtunity pass by, and just taking it as 'it is what it is' doesn't sit right with me.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2767961 said:
Screaming is probably the wrong way to phrase what I'm talking about. i just mean they should be doing everything they can to make sure people realise they need a shot and that they want that shot. Just standing on the sideline, doing nothing, and letting a full game of oppurtunity pass by, and just taking it as 'it is what it is' doesn't sit right with me.

right, there is a way to get noticed by the coaches without screaming, etc,
 
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