Has anyone considered this regarding Chaz Green?

[NextGenBoys]

The dude has switched positions probably 5 or 6 times. Started as a RT, then moved to LT, then moved to guard, then moved back to tackle, then moved to guard again this past offseason and even started several games there, then moved back to tackle for the Atlanta game.

You can't move a player around that much and expect him to have success. We all noted that he's filled in for Tyron before and played much better, but that's when he was a tackle, not moved to guard, and then thrown back into the mix at tackle. I think it's clear that Green was used to playing guard which is entirely different footwork and you're not playing in space like at tackle.

Just a thought regarding our brilliant coaching staff once again.

 

[Zman5]

I made a similar comment before. We did this with Crawford and Byron and I believe it hindered their development as well.

 

[Staubacher]

Our walkaround head coach has a process guys, be patient.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I made a similar comment before. We did this with Crawford and Byron and I believe it hindered their development as well.

Agreed. I don't like Byron at safety. I feel like he's a corner. But his rookie year they played him at corner a lot then moved him to safety. What the heck?

 

[noshame]

That's true but it all goes back to coaching they should never have let that game develop the way they did.
they could have given him help, and I'm not talking about a tight end or a chipper all I'm talking about is running plays away from that side of the line I mean rollouts, sweeps, ect.
but to just drop back and hope for the best is rare stupidity.
It's Wednesday and I'm still hot damn it

 

[links18]

Thank God. I thought this was going to be another wild conspiracy thread.

 

[Wolfpack]

The dude has switched positions probably 5 or 6 times. Started as a RT, then moved to LT, then moved to guard, then moved back to tackle, then moved to guard again this past offseason and even started several games there, then moved back to tackle for the Atlanta game.

You can't move a player around that much and expect him to have success. We all noted that he's filled in for Tyron before and played much better, but that's when he was a tackle, not moved to guard, and then thrown back into the mix at tackle. I think it's clear that Green was used to playing guard which is entirely different footwork and you're not playing in space like at tackle.

Just a thought regarding our brilliant coaching staff once again.

A good point. They move guys around a lot because they are always trying to fix something or justify keeping a guy around who they drafted high (or paid a lot )

 

[panchucko]

Hey it happened to Barbie too, these coaches don’t know crap they sure know how to ruin a guy

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I made a similar comment before. We did this with Crawford and Byron and I believe it hindered their development as well.

Yeah...... not a fan of that at all. Trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Hey it happened to Barbie too, these coaches don’t know crap they sure know how to ruin a guy

Barbie couldn't play.

 

[TheCount]

The dude has switched positions probably 5 or 6 times. Started as a RT, then moved to LT, then moved to guard, then moved back to tackle, then moved to guard again this past offseason and even started several games there, then moved back to tackle for the Atlanta game.

You can't move a player around that much and expect him to have success. We all noted that he's filled in for Tyron before and played much better, but that's when he was a tackle, not moved to guard, and then thrown back into the mix at tackle. I think it's clear that Green was used to playing guard which is entirely different footwork and you're not playing in space like at tackle.

Just a thought regarding our brilliant coaching staff once again.

Broaddus said that ever since Cooper won the guard job, Chaz hasn't taken a snap at guard in practice. So he had time.

That said, I find it funny that we rarely move guys around to find better match ups but force guys to learn multiple spots.

 

[Doomsday]

I was thinking back to his first preseason game, he was awful.

The next week he looked like a totally different player. Hoping we see a similar turn around this week if Smith cant go.

 

[Idgit]

********. Chaz has been the swing OT for years now. He's a top 100 pick. He's played well at that position before, and he's been back there full time for over a month. He just sucked.

And the coaches did help him in that game, btw. Just not enough. They pretty much freed him up of responsibility inside on every passing down, sliding Frederick and Cooper over. All he had to do was defend the outside rush and push that edge rusher wide. He had he snap count and his only job was to not get beat wide. Just push the guy behind the play. He couldn't do it.

They also did chip his man. They ran right. They're rolled right. They called plays with a quicker release time and asked Dak to get the ball out quicker. It wasn't good enough. They replaced the LT. Didn't matter.

But the narrative here the last four days that the coaching staff didn't try to adjust is a juvenile fantasy. The reality was, they needed to do everything they did, plus keep someone in to chip on every single pass play from the second quarter on. That would have destroyed their game plan, too, but it would have been the conservative thing to do. They'd at least not be taking heat for it.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Thank God. I thought this was going to be another wild conspiracy thread.

Chaz Green is Roger Goodell's son.

 

[Alexander]

The dude has switched positions probably 5 or 6 times. Started as a RT, then moved to LT, then moved to guard, then moved back to tackle, then moved to guard again this past offseason and even started several games there, then moved back to tackle for the Atlanta game.

You can't move a player around that much and expect him to have success. We all noted that he's filled in for Tyron before and played much better, but that's when he was a tackle, not moved to guard, and then thrown back into the mix at tackle. I think it's clear that Green was used to playing guard which is entirely different footwork and you're not playing in space like at tackle.

Just a thought regarding our brilliant coaching staff once again.

Sometimes the simpler answer is the right one.

He was a soft and not especially consistent player in college, plus he was constantly unavailable.

The trends repeated themselves after he progressed as a professional.

I am not in love with this staff and how they develop players but they were fighting an uphill battle from the minute they reached on this player in the draft.

 

[Alexander]

He's a top 100 pick.

Top 100 reach. The fact he went in the top 100 is not something that speaks to the problem. He had no business going there so no reason to hold that over his head.

You know who else was a top 100 player and couldn't play? Robert Brewster.

 

[Idgit]

Top 100 reach. The fact he went in the top 100 is not something that speaks to the problem. He had no business going there so no reason to hold that over his head.

You know who else was a top 100 player and couldn't play? Robert Brewster.

Ok. If you say so. It just underlines the point that the guy is far enough along in his career and can't play. That's the heart of the matter.

 

[links18]

Bull****. Chaz has been the swing OT for years now. He's a top 100 pick. He's played well at that position before, and he's been back there full time for over a month. He just sucked.

And the coaches did help him in that game, btw. Just not enough.

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But the narrative here the last four days that the coaching staff didn't try to adjust is a juvenile fantasy. The reality was, they needed to do everything they did, plus keep someone in to chip on every single pass play from the second quarter on. That would have destroyed their game plan, too, but it would have been the conservative thing to do. They'd at least not be taking heat for it.

Well, that's not just the narrative here, its the narrative from most analysts--including Troy during the game.

And saying the coaching staff didn't help Green as opposed to saying they didn't help him enough, is just two ways of saying the same thing--the coaches screwed up.

 

[Alexander]

Ok. If you say so. It just underlines the point that the guy is far enough along in his career and can't play. That's the heart of the matter.

No it just underlines he is not a very good player and never should have been entrusted with what he has been entrusted with. You can't get blood out of a turnip or quality play out of a soft mentally weak and constantly unavailable player.

 

[Idgit]

Well, that's not just the narrative here, its the narrative from most analysts--including Troy during the game.

And saying the coaching staff didn't help Green as opposed to saying they didn't help him enough, is just two ways of saying the same thing--the coaches screwed up.

Or that there's no satisfactory solution. Even on plays where he's getting help doubling the outside, they were still getting pressure.

I do think it was a mistake in retrospect to think you could get by sliding the blocking scheme over and chipping and rolling right. It turned out they needed to keep an extra blocker in on every down like I said. But I understand why they didn't want to do that, too. It wasn't just Green playing terribly on the OL. Cooper had two holds and was getting beat himself. Martin gave up a sack. There were a lot of areas that needed help and not enough help to give.