Has to be said on bringing back Murray

[Galian Beast]

For the last couple weeks all I'm hearing is how much Romo is pleading with Jerry to keep Murray, how Murray wants to stay and cares more about a super bowl than money, and how Jason Witten doesn't think Murray can be replaced.

If Romo and Witten want Murray back so much, and Murray wants to be back and thinks a super bowl is more important than money, there should be no reason why between the three of them, they can't do some team friendly super bowl oriented adjustments to their salaries and salary demands.

I'm squarely in the Adrian Peterson camp. If he is available he should become a Cowboys. That means if he is released or can be traded for a small sum.

I think glossing over Murray's fumbles, especially in a key playoff game, doesn't do justice to how hard the rest of the players played this year. I like Murray a lot, but this team is bigger than him. If he does come back it shouldn't be at a great cost. And Romo and Witten who have made more money than they can spend in a lifetime should focus more on cementing their legacies (in this man's opinion).

I'd like to see this team make a statement next year, and two players who could help make that happen by more than just their performances on the field are clearly Witten and Romo.

 

[tyke1doe]

We need a defense and a pass rush to win. I love Romo and Witten, but they're not getting younger. So expecting an exceptionally great year above what they've been producing may be asking too much. Still, steady for Romo and Witten is good enough to get to the playoffs. But I wouldn't put the burden on them. We fix the defense, and we have enough to get to at least the NFC Championship Game and maybe beyond.

 

[Doomsday101]

For the last couple weeks all I'm hearing is how much Romo is pleading with Jerry to keep Murray, how Murray wants to stay and cares more about a super bowl than money, and how Jason Witten doesn't think Murray can be replaced.

If Romo and Witten want Murray back so much, and Murray wants to be back and thinks a super bowl is more important than money, there should be no reason why between the three of them, they can't do some team friendly super bowl oriented adjustments to their salaries and salary demands.

I'm squarely in the Adrian Peterson camp. If he is available he should become a Cowboys. That means if he is released or can be traded for a small sum.

I think glossing over Murray's fumbles, especially in a key playoff game, doesn't do justice to how hard the rest of the players played this year. I like Murray a lot, but this team is bigger than him. If he does come back it shouldn't be at a great cost. And Romo and Witten who have made more money than they can spend in a lifetime should focus more on cementing their legacies (in this man's opinion).

I'd like to see this team make a statement next year, and two players who could help make that happen by more than just their performances on the field are clearly Witten and Romo.

Not glossing over a fumble but fact is he did not fumble for 9 games in a row and over 225 carries. He did have 5 fumbles in regular season all coming in the 1st 8 games.

I do find one thing interesting people have thrown up names of guys with a lot of carries in a season as reason not to sign Murray yet there is another stat that shows all RB at 30 start to decline. I have been told you don't pay for what you have done but projections of what you will do in the future? I don't see much of a future in a 30 year old RB.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

One of the most mind boggling things to me is reading fans want NFL players to take pay cuts while in their primes. It just sounds insane to me. But no one would even entertain if someone at their job told them to take a pay cut despite doing their job and well.

 

[Galian Beast]

Not glossing over a fumble but fact is he did not fumble for 9 games in a row and over 225 carries. He did have 5 fumbles in regular season all coming in the 1st 8 games.

I do find one thing interesting people have thrown up names of guys with a lot of carries in a season as reason not to sign Murray yet there is another stat that shows all RB at 30 start to decline. I have been told you don't pay for what you have done but projections of what you will do in the future? I don't see much of a future in a 30 year old RB.

The difference that you are missing is that no one wants to sign Peterson long term. They want two or three years out of him. Murray will want a 5 or 6 year deal. That's just too long to invest in a running back these days.

You can walk away from Peterson relatively quickly... Murray not so much.

 

[Galian Beast]

One of the most mind boggling things to me is reading fans want NFL players to take pay cuts while in their primes. It just sounds insane to me. But no one would even entertain if someone at their job told them to take a pay cut despite doing their job and well.

Most NFL fans aren't millionaires who make millions of dollars every year, and every additional million makes no difference in their life style.

They also don't have jobs that relate to a salary cap where their salary directly reduces the salary and thus quality of their co-workers....

Apples and oranges.

 

[Galian Beast]

We need a defense and a pass rush to win. I love Romo and Witten, but they're not getting younger. So expecting an exceptionally great year above what they've been producing may be asking too much. Still, steady for Romo and Witten is good enough to get to the playoffs. But I wouldn't put the burden on them. We fix the defense, and we have enough to get to at least the NFC Championship Game and maybe beyond.

If you saw what I said, I said I didn't expect any more from their performance on the field...

 

[nathanlt]

It's crazy to entertain the thought of breaking up the new triplets before they've been given a fair chance to make a playoff run.

Keep all three. Peterson might want to sign just because he's hungry for a Super Bowl. Having an offensive line like Dallas does, will make running backs take a pay cut to play behind them.

 

[Doomsday101]

The difference that you are missing is that no one wants to sign Peterson long term. They want two or three years out of him. Murray will want a 5 or 6 year deal. That's just too long to invest in a running back these days.

You can walk away from Peterson relatively quickly... Murray not so much.

Murray will likely be offered a 4 year deal. 5 RB have deals of more than 4 vast majority have 4 to 3. As for AP we don't know what he wants? If Minn does release him there will be other teams looking at him as well.

 

[starfrombirth]

One of the most mind boggling things to me is reading fans want NFL players to take pay cuts while in their primes. It just sounds insane to me. But no one would even entertain if someone at their job told them to take a pay cut despite doing their job and well.

What world do you live in??? People take pay cuts all the time in todays economy to keep the company they work for afloat and they can keep their jobs.

 

[Galian Beast]

Murray will likely be offered a 4 year deal. 5 RB have deals of more than 4 vast majority have 4 to 3. As for AP we don't know what he wants? If Minn does release him there will be other teams looking at him as well.

Other teams might be looking at him as well, but did he call their owners and say that he wants to play for them? Is he from their states? Does he have homes in their states?

Adrian Peterson wants to be a Cowboy. Is it a sure thing? Obviously not, but the idea that he plays in Minnesota again next year? Just don't think it is likely. And he is obviously most likely to play here than any other team.

I would break it down like this

Chance he plays for the Vikings next year - 60 percent
Chance he plays for the Cowboys next year - 30 percent
Chance he plays for a different team - 10 percent

 

[Galian Beast]

It's crazy to entertain the thought of breaking up the new triplets before they've been given a fair chance to make a playoff run.

Keep all three. Peterson might want to sign just because he's hungry for a Super Bowl. Having an offensive line like Dallas does, will make running backs take a pay cut to play behind them.

I think that is silly. The reality is they aren't triplets. The reality is that Romo's time is limited, Bryant is about to break the bank, and paying running backs in this day and age, with the investments made in the offensive line simply doesn't make sense.

Stop stretching for romanticism.

 

[Doomsday101]

Other teams might be looking at him as well, but did he call their owners and say that he wants to play for them? Is he from their states? Does he have homes in their states?

Adrian Peterson wants to be a Cowboy. Is it a sure thing? Obviously not, but the idea that he plays in Minnesota again next year? Just don't think it is likely. And he is obviously most likely to play here than any other team.

I would break it down like this

Chance he plays for the Vikings next year - 60 percent
Chance he plays for the Cowboys next year - 30 percent
Chance he plays for a different team - 10 percent

I don't disagree with your odds, I think it is more likely he plays for the Vikes than the Cowboys. Wanting to play some where and business are 2 different things. Ware wanted to play in Dallas and says he wants to retire as a Cowboy but he went where the money took him and was unwilling to take less in Dallas.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think that is silly. The reality is they aren't triplets. The reality is that Romo's time is limited, Bryant is about to break the bank, and paying running backs in this day and age, with the investments made in the offensive line simply doesn't make sense.

Stop stretching for romanticism.

I think that is where the mistake is though, who says you don't pay RB in this day and age? Teams who are pass happy? That sure as hell has not worked for the Cowboys. Seahawks seem to manage being a team who leans on the run more than the passing game. I do think this is our version of the triplets a RB who carried 40% of the offensive load, a QB who benefited from it posting one of his best season. For me I go with what works and in Dallas this franchise has benefited greatly when we have been a strong running team and this year once again proved how important that running game is.
I agree with you about Romo time is limited that is why I want an all around RB who not only carries the ball taking pressure off of Romo but also in protecting QB because he can handle the blitz pick ups. Murray running as he did this year will do more to help Romo than anything else

 

[TwoDeep3]

For the last couple weeks all I'm hearing is how much Romo is pleading with Jerry to keep Murray, how Murray wants to stay and cares more about a super bowl than money, and how Jason Witten doesn't think Murray can be replaced.

If Romo and Witten want Murray back so much, and Murray wants to be back and thinks a super bowl is more important than money, there should be no reason why between the three of them, they can't do some team friendly super bowl oriented adjustments to their salaries and salary demands.

I'm squarely in the Adrian Peterson camp. If he is available he should become a Cowboys. That means if he is released or can be traded for a small sum.

I think glossing over Murray's fumbles, especially in a key playoff game, doesn't do justice to how hard the rest of the players played this year. I like Murray a lot, but this team is bigger than him. If he does come back it shouldn't be at a great cost. And Romo and Witten who have made more money than they can spend in a lifetime should focus more on cementing their legacies (in this man's opinion).

I'd like to see this team make a statement next year, and two players who could help make that happen by more than just their performances on the field are clearly Witten and Romo.

Or, you can look at the fact the team has no answer if Romo has to retire and we win now or never with him. And it's not your money they are spending.

By the way, Peterson has 31 fumbles in his career.

 

[TommyBoy21]

What world do you live in??? People take pay cuts all the time in todays economy to keep the company they work for afloat and they can keep their jobs.

Really? I'd go find a new job.

I said this in a thread a few weeks ago, but how can you ask Romo and Witten to take pay cuts? Those two have given more to the team than anyone for nearly a decade. A team, by the way, that hasn't surrounded them with comparable talent until this season.

This entire idea of taking a pay cut for the good of the team was perpetuated by the media when Brady did it. Except he restructured his deal and actually gets MORE money in the long run.

 

[tm1119]

I think people are taking Murray's injury history too lightly after his 1st and only fill year. And let's be honest....does he play through the hand Injury if it isn't a contract year?

And while I love the idea of AP, I do have a fear of the media turning our entire training camp into a circus because we sign them.

Randle, Ryan Williams, and a 3rd round pick will work out just fine in my opinion.

 

[nathanlt]

I think that is silly. The reality is they aren't triplets. The reality is that Romo's time is limited, Bryant is about to break the bank, and paying running backs in this day and age, with the investments made in the offensive line simply doesn't make sense.

Stop stretching for romanticism.

To even be in a situation where the validity of new triplets is being discussed is a privilege. How come Dallas doesn't have 3 running backs who can catch out of the backfield, pass block, and break the single season rushing record. To let Murray walk is to be a little too optimistic. Good talent is hard to find.

I know the Cowboys line is good, but having a COMPLETE running back is not routine, by a long stretch. Dallas has the pieces, KEEP THEM! Romo only has 2 years, make them good, don't start a new search and mess with a good/great thing.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Most NFL fans aren't millionaires who make millions of dollars every year, and every additional million makes no difference in their life style.

They also don't have jobs that relate to a salary cap where their salary directly reduces the salary and thus quality of their co-workers....

Apples and oranges.

It's not the player's job to manage the cap and that money is theirs, not yours or the hoard of unwashed masses who think they dont deserve it all. They've got extended families and children and a government that thinks taxing their earnings twice, taking half of it away after their death, isn't flat out robbery. I'm sure they're open to minor cuts and restructuring to help the team but asking any more of them is unconscionable.

 

[DenCWBY]

I love Murrays disposition with respect to how he's handled everything off the field, his injuries, practice and his a teammates love him. I love his stamina to run hard, his ability to block and catch. He's the epitome of the RKG which makes this very hard.
Just for grins I was reviewing the Dal-Phili (2nd game) and Murray had something like 13 run attempts ending behind the LOS and came up short on a VERY big 3rd and less than 1 in that game alone. He also had one big 20 yard run that helped on a go ahead TD drive. Can't put my finger on it however he just seems so robotic and really does not seem to make much more yards than his line and receivers give him in blocks.
Ok I'm not so obtuse to judge him on one game for his future and I know he's the leagues rushing leader but I just don't think he's worth much more than what's been offered given the market and the large RB selection in the draft.
There is a VERY short window for Romo at this point to get to the dance and I pull out all the stops to get the best RB in the league if he's available. Then shore up the defense with a majority of the draft and role the dice.
Picture a healthy and rested Dez, Romo, Witten, our entire Oline, with Adrian Peterson starting in our backfield next fall. Ohh wait...I think it just moved.