Hatcher could play DE

[MichaelWinicki]

Hatcher has said himself that he is currently 295 and that he would drop down to 285 if they want him at end.

I think he'd still be a tad too slow for a 4-3 DE. Even coming out of college he was like a low 4.8 guy. He's probably not near that speed now.

 

[gimmesix]

I see his role somewhat like Jim Johnson who played DT and DE.

Here's how I see the roles and the MAX percent of our snaps they should play.

Ware: RDE 70%
Ratliff: DT, LDE 70%
Hatcher: DT, LDE 70%
Lissemore: DT
Crawford: RDE, LDE
Rookie: DT
Brent: DT ????
Spears: DT

We should carry 8 on the 53. Holding out hope for Brent still, but we certainly need to spend a 1st or 2nd on a big DT.

Yes, I've been saying since we made this switch that Hatcher and Crawford could both receive time at LDE. Both played DE in college and have some quickness and the size to handle the strongside spot.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yes, I've been saying since we made this switch that Hatcher and Crawford could both receive time at LDE. Both played DE in college and have some quickness and the size to handle the strongside spot.

Crawford is an interesting case too.

I think the Cowboys have an "army" of guys who can do well as the DT's in a 4-3:

Ratliff
Lissmore
Hatcher
Spears
Crawford

Heck I think even Coleman if he were kept would be a decent 4-3 DT.

However the end situation is nearly empty:

Ware
And maybe Spencer if he's retained.

I see no one else on the roster capable of doing what a 4-3 DE is suppose to do, i.e. be acceptable vs the run and a good pass rusher.

The players listed as possible DT's are too large, too plodding and don't have the "quick twitch" to beat an OT around the edge. And this a problem with the current roster.

Now if Spencer were retained that would help some, but you still need depth.

Albright? I'm not sure if/where he fits in.

 

[noshame]

Mike is a Middle LB and a Will is the weak side LB, which would be considered Outside. Since there are only 3 LBer, only one can be inide. Semantics, I know. I was kinda being a ***.

OK Eric...what does the I in wil and mike stand for?:bang2:

 

[craig71]

Crawford is an interesting case too.

I think the Cowboys have an "army" of guys who can do well as the DT's in a 4-3:

Ratliff
Lissmore
Hatcher
Spears
Crawford

Heck I think even Coleman if he were kept would be a decent 4-3 DT.

However the end situation is nearly empty:

Ware
And maybe Spencer if he's retained.

I see no one else on the roster capable of doing what a 4-3 DE is suppose to do, i.e. be acceptable vs the run and a good pass rusher.

The players listed as possible DT's are too large, too plodding and don't have the "quick twitch" to beat an OT around the edge. And this a problem with the current roster.

Now if Spencer were retained that would help some, but you still need depth.

Albright? I'm not sure if/where he fits in.

I could see Hatcher playing end in a base package and then finding a pure speed rusher to come in on obvious passing downs while Hatcher moves inside.


Craig

 

[xwalker]

I think he'd still be a tad too slow for a 4-3 DE. Even coming out of college he was like a low 4.8 guy. He's probably not near that speed now.

Keep in mind that Kiffin primarily uses a 4-3-under. In this defense, the Strong Side DE is much different than the Weak Side guy.

Seattle has a Kiffin protege as D-Coordinator. They take the Strong-Side/Weak-Side to an extreme. Their SDE is Red Bryant (6-4, 323, 4.9 forty) and their Weak-Side guys are Chris Clemons (6-3, 254) and Bruce Irvin (6-3, 248).

Chicago's Strong-Side DEs were more the norm for the 4-3-under with Corey Wootton (6-6, 270, 4.92 forty) and Israel Idonije (6-6, 275).

Having said all of that, I think Hatcher is best at the 3-tech DT.

 

[craig71]

Keep in mind that Kiffin primarily uses a 4-3-under. In this defense, the Strong Side DE is much different than the Weak Side guy.

Seattle has a Kiffin protege as D-Coordinator. They take the Strong-Side/Weak-Side to an extreme. Their SDE is Red Bryant (6-4, 323, 4.9 forty) and their Weak-Side guys are Chris Clemons (6-3, 254) and Bruce Irvin (6-3, 248).

Chicago's Strong-Side DEs were more the norm for the 4-3-under with Corey Wootton (6-6, 270, 4.92 forty) and Israel Idonije (6-6, 275).

Having said all of that, I think Hatcher is best at the 3-tech DT.

I think some pictures of the Seahawk schemes are in order, this article may help.


http://www.fieldgulls.com/football-...-Seahawks-Commanders-falcons-preview-schedule


Craig

 

[CyberB0b]

I think he'd still be a tad too slow for a 4-3 DE. Even coming out of college he was like a low 4.8 guy. He's probably not near that speed now.

I think so, too. I think he was just saying that he will contribute in whatever role the coaches decide he should have. He has a nice attitude and I hope the change goes well for him.

 

[theogt]

Well, when we drafted him, Parcells said he was one of those guys that could play either 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE. He hasn't gotten fat or anything, so I'm not sure why anyone would think differently now. He can drop 20 lbs. and be a very capable LDE.

 

[theogt]

I think he'd still be a tad too slow for a 4-3 DE. Even coming out of college he was like a low 4.8 guy. He's probably not near that speed now.

He still has nice quick speed/strength combo. You don't measure quick speed with the 40 time. For that, he had a pretty good shuttle, 10 yard split, broad jump and vertical for his size. It shows up in games is what's important.

But he's on the wrong side of 30, so drafting a high round 4-3 DE would be a great idea, unless we're signing Spencer to a big deal (which would be a mistake in my opinion).

 

[bayeslife]

Well, when we drafted him, Parcells said he was one of those guys that could play either 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE. He hasn't gotten fat or anything, so I'm not sure why anyone would think differently now. He can drop 20 lbs. and be a very capable LDE.

He has a really high motor too, I can't see why he wouldn't succeed.

 

[theogt]

Keep in mind that Kiffin primarily uses a 4-3-under. In this defense, the Strong Side DE is much different than the Weak Side guy.

Seattle has a Kiffin protege as D-Coordinator. They take the Strong-Side/Weak-Side to an extreme. Their SDE is Red Bryant (6-4, 323, 4.9 forty) and their Weak-Side guys are Chris Clemons (6-3, 254) and Bruce Irvin (6-3, 248).

Chicago's Strong-Side DEs were more the norm for the 4-3-under with Corey Wootton (6-6, 270, 4.92 forty) and Israel Idonije (6-6, 275).

Having said all of that, I think Hatcher is best at the 3-tech DT.

Right, and in the 4-3 under the LDE plays a 6 technique. And in a 3-4, the LDE plays a 5 technique. How could he ever possibly adapt?

 

[CATCH17]

Remember when Rob Ryan first got here and he was raving about Hatcher after studying film for the 1st time?

 

[newlander]

He won't suprise me, I know he can play. I look for him and Ratliff to have HUGE years on the Dline. I like Hatch a lot!!

......when healthy, Jrat is a pro bowler: WHEN HEALTHY


......I like Hatcher alot: he's a very solid DT that I'm unsure can be effective at D.end but I certainly think he could hold up against the run. He also has had injury issues that I dearly hope are over. He's a talented guy and he's maturing as a person too.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well I still think Hatch is going to put up a career season this year, for a new contract wherever. It makes sense that he would want to play 4-3 DE for obvious money reasons and we might not have a choice but to play him there and of course any 3-4 DE would get his eyes wide open at a chance to play 4-3 DE.

Thing is, hes older now and expecting him to show the ability to be an edge rusher might be asking too much at this point. We can go through combine numbers all we want, but he is far removed from there now. It will come down to camp on who we have at the DE spot if we don't draft anyone, I just wish we had planned for this instead of not being prepared at all.

It will come down to what the staff sees in camp, and right now noone including even Hatch or Kiffin knows how this is going to pan out.

 

[AbeBeta]

DE isn't his best position in this D. He's part of a good DT rotation with Ratliff and Lissemore. Maybe he takes some snaps at DE but I see that position as Ware, Spencer, and Crawford.

And yes, I think we absolutely keep Spencer. You need guys who can put pressure on the QB and he does that