He is not the greatest of all time...

[CM Duck]

Tom Brady- for the last 2 weeks all the NFL network seemed to talk about was if he is the greatest QB of all time. During the pre-game on NFL Network today Marshall Faulk said he wasn't in the same category as Montana or Aikman, unless he won the game today....well he didn't. The bottom line is Bradshaw, Montana, or Aikman never lost a Super Bowl.

Just like a few years ago when everybody and their dog was putting Kobe on the same level as Jordan, then he lost in the NBA Finals....

coach Billy boy-same as Tommy boy. He can not be compared to the greatest out there...his team was not only out played, but his coaches were out coached

 

[cowboyed]

Tom Brady may not be the greatest of all time but he surely has more than embarked on that path. Also he many not have helped the Patriots win this Superbowl but he most certainly helped them with others.

Don't forget Brady was pretty dinged up before entering the game and stood up pretty well to the barrage of pressure from the Giants including absorbing some pretty nasty hits.

At times I love to fan-hate Brady because he exudes a quiet arrogance and I actually have no empathy for the Patriots as I am a Romo-phile, but Tom Brady is a great quarterback.

 

[burmafrd]

No quaterback could have looked good against the kind of pressure he was under.

 

[Jin Rummy]

No quaterback could have looked good against the kind of pressure he was under.

Exactly. And it's not as if their pass rush was a fluke. They put three of the top four quarterbacks (Romo, Favre, and Brady) this year under the most pressure ever in consecutive games. Gotta give the credit where it's due.

 

[khiladi]

Tom Brady is what he is because of an OL that got away with lots of holding. On their last TD drive, number 77 on the left side, when the Patriots were in the red-zone got beat, and he let his leg out tripping the right end. That should have been a clear 15 yarder...

When the pressure comes, he has a tendency of fumble. If Brady starts to get hit, he starts crying to his OL, and he becomes average.

Brady relies heavily on the shot-gun as well, and dinks and dunks to counter-act pressure.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I was so disappointed in Jimmy for saying Brady was the best of all time yesterday. He's really let his friendship with Belichick cloud his commentary the last few weeks.

 

[khiladi]

The Giants were awesome in taking away the underneath. And when they did this, you saw what happened to Brady...

 

[theebs]

I was so disappointed in Jimmy for saying Brady was the best of all time yesterday. He's really let his friendship with Belichick cloud his commentary the last few weeks.

people dogging brady for this game are nuts.

he is one of the best ever. Who cares who is the best. How would anyone know, comparing this nfl to the tough nfl of the 80s where there was no salary cap so better depth, less teams so better players on each team and relaxed rules where the qbs and wr were at a disadvantage is pointless.

he is a great qb, an all timer who cares where he is ranked.

I never saw bart starr or roger stauback or unitas or Y.A. tittle play live or in person so How would I compare them? Alot of the people making these arguments never did either.

The truth is brady is a great qb on the best team of this decade and one of the better teams this league has ever seen. there are a number of great qbs.

Him losing this superbowl doesnt take away that luster just like Dilfer and brad johnson winning one doesnt shine them up and make them anymore than they are or were.

 

[Doomsday101]

How ever anyone wants to rank Brady in my opinion he is one of the best QB to play the game. I feel the same way about Roger Stauback even though his team lost a couple of SB.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I didn't dog Brady. I agree that he's one of the best ever.

And Jimmy is the one who made the big pronoucement yesterday, not me.

I just think it was way too early to say he's THE best ever.

The hype for this team was just like the USC one a few years ago that was the "Best Ever"... And in the end wasn't even the best of that year.

 

[Doomsday101]

I didn't dog Brady. I agree that he's one of the best ever.

And Jimmy is the one who made the big pronoucement yesterday, not me.

I just think it was way too early to say he's THE best ever.

The hype for this team was just like the USC one a few years ago that was the "Best Ever"... And in the end wasn't even the best of that year.

Best ever is thrown around a lot but in the end it is how you judge a player on his greatness. I'm not coming down on anyone for saying this guy is the greatest or that guy is. I think Brady is one of the best as for raking the best I think you will see many different opinions. None wrong and none right just opinions

 

[khiladi]

For what?

Winning 3 chamionships by a combined 10 points... A 10 points that are now the subject of dispute, because of the cheating label..

Please....

 

[theebs]

I didn't dog Brady. I agree that he's one of the best ever.

And Jimmy is the one who made the big pronoucement yesterday, not me.

I just think it was way too early to say he's THE best ever.

The hype for this team was just like the USC one a few years ago that was the "Best Ever"... And in the end wasn't even the best of that year.

oh hey bro my post wasnt intended for you or anyone in general, i just hit quote instead of reply and typed what I typed.

more about the media in general. michael smith of espn is like 26, how would he know who the greatest qb of all time is? I mean he didnt even really see montana for crying out loud.

 

[tyke1doe]

Tom Brady- for the last 2 weeks all the NFL network seemed to talk about was if he is the greatest QB of all time. During the pre-game on NFL Network today Marshall Faulk said he wasn't in the same category as Montana or Aikman, unless he won the game today....well he didn't. The bottom line is Bradshaw, Montana, or Aikman never lost a Super Bowl.

So by this logic, Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton aren't among the greatest quarterbacks ever and Dilfer, Doug Williams, Jim McMahon and Brad Johnson are because they never lost a Super Bowl.

I don't see why fans feel the need to ripe Brady. Brady is still a great quarterback and, IMO, one of the greatest to play the game.

And this loss is just a snapshot in time. If he goes on to win more Super Bowls, one loss isn't going to detract from his legacy anymore than two losses detracts from Staubach's or Elway's legacy.

The Patriots loss and Brady loss because the Giants defense was better than the Patriots offense and the Giants offense was better than the Patriots defense.

That has nothing to do with Brady anymore than winning makes Eli Manning now the greatest quarterback ever because he beat the team considered to be the greatest regular season team in the history of the game.

 

[khiladi]

That has nothing to do with Brady anymore than winning makes Eli Manning now the greatest quarterback ever because he beat the team considered to be the greatest regular season team in the history of the game.

BWAHAHAHAHA...

That has got to be the funniest title of all time.. I prefer the following?

The Dallas Mavericks of NFL...

It is worse then the Vikings when they went 15-1...

The title of Best Regular Season Team ever ranks right up there with biggest Laughing Stock ever...

OK, I'm just not being nice.... to borrow the words of Seau and Rodney,

The Journey was Great...

BWAHAHAHA!!!

 

[tyke1doe]

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

 

[CM Duck]

So by this logic, Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton aren't among the greatest quarterbacks ever and Dilfer, Doug Williams, Jim McMahon and Brad Johnson are because they never lost a Super Bowl.

I don't see why fans feel the need to ripe Brady. Brady is still a great quarterback and, IMO, one of the greatest to play the game.

And this loss is just a snapshot in time. If he goes on to win more Super Bowls, one loss isn't going to detract from his legacy anymore than two losses detracts from Staubach's or Elway's legacy.

The Patriots loss and Brady loss because the Giants defense was better than the Patriots offense and the Giants offense was better than the Patriots defense.

That has nothing to do with Brady anymore than winning makes Eli Manning now the greatest quarterback ever because he beat the team considered to be the greatest regular season team in the history of the game.

NO...read the 3 QBs I mentioned...Bradshaw, Montana, and Aikman....winners of multiple Super Bowls. Not losing one, like tommy boy just did. Unlike Dilfer and those you mentioned who won only one Super Bowl(mostly due to great defenses)

and for the fact that no QB could perform under that kind of pressure from the defense...well I doubt the O-line from the Cowboys Super Bowl teams of the 90's would have let that pressure get to Aikman. So then I guess that definetly makes the patties NOT the greatest TEAM of all time, even if they would have won the game..

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'll agree, at this point, he's not in the conversation with those guys cause he lost one.

But, at 30, with a team that will be competitive every year, most likely, he's got 5 or 6 years, baring serious injury or injuries, to win at least one more. That would put him on the level of Montana and Terry for wins, but again I'd agree that he wouldn't be considered as good cause he lost one.

However, given his age and the team he plays for, I don't think it's completely unrealistic (though I dont believe it will happen) for him to win 2 more in his career. If he wins 2 more in his career (and again that is a big if) then you're right there isn't a conversation to have over whose better out of Montana and Bradshaw and Brady.

Cause Bradshaw and Montana will no longer be in the discussion. If Brady is able to snag 2 more as a starter that gives him 5, making him the only with five, and the conversation then is over. He'll be considered the best ever.


Now, note, that is a big if and I really dont think he'll get two more, but he's certainly in a far better position to do so than most would be after 3 Superbowl wins.

Only Aikman was in a comparable position and that is why I say that Brady likely won't get 2 more. Aikman was in good position at his age, and with the talent around him, to get at least 1 or 2 more and everything quickly fell apart with players aging quickly, retiring, injuries and such.