Here Are Some Problems I've Found With The Offense

[Brooksey]

Love the analysis..re



Love the analysis..really.

But I can summit it upon one word..

Chokers.

This team no matter how the coaches try..

no matter who the coach is.

nor who the players are

this team fails to take the next step towards winning as required at the NFL level.

This has become a joke around the leaque..this team and its cast of ner-do-wells.

If this team again fails to advance..

it has to be completely torn down

and replaced with ownership, coaches and players who are in it for more than profit and fame.

This will be difficult to face up to..

but it must be done.

Wow, that's pretty deep. If we fail to advance to playoffs we need changes, but it will most likely be coordinators and high priced free agents.

 

[LandryFan]

Love the analysis..re



Love the analysis..really.

But I can summit it upon one word..

Chokers.

This team no matter how the coaches try..

no matter who the coach is.

nor who the players are

this team fails to take the next step towards winning as required at the NFL level.

This has become a joke around the leaque..this team and its cast of ner-do-wells.

If this team again fails to advance..

it has to be completely torn down

and replaced with ownership, coaches and players who are in it for more than profit and fame.

This will be difficult to face up to..

but it must be done.

Just how do you propose a change in ownership come about? Do you have $4-5 billion laying around?

 

[perrykemp]

one thing i think of immediately looking at the comparison

rodgers can chunk the rock down the field knowing nelson or cobb is going to get it.

is tony did that, we'd have a pile of interceptions from dez stopping to blame the ref's he was breathed on, or terrence williams watching the defending secondary catch it.

I'm really becoming more convinced the problem is our WR's. We ran a boring offense before with no run game, and TO and Miles didnt have the same issue.

My honest unadulterated opinion is comparing Tony to Rodgers is an exercise in futility. Comparing Romo to anybody else is fine by me, however, at this point no QB in the league really compares to Aaron Rodgers. Rodger is playing at such a ridiculous level that you pretty much have to put him in a category by himself.

Yes the Packers WRs are good, however, everybody on that offense shines brightly from Aaron Rodger's glow. Rodger's pinpoint accuracy seems to be as good on deep throws as it is in short throws.

That isn't a slam on Romo.

 

[Redball Express]

Wow, that's pretty deep. If we fail to advance to playoffs we need changes, but it will most likely be coordinators and high priced free agents.

Thanx bro it was deep

After 45 years of following this team and having had seasons ticket every one of those years.

Its not hard to sum up things accurately

 

[NeonDeion21]

My honest unadulterated opinion is comparing Tony to Rodgers is an exercise in futility. Comparing Romo to anybody else is fine by me, however, at this point no QB in the league really compares to Aaron Rodgers. Rodger is playing at such a ridiculous level that you pretty much have to put him in a category by himself.

Yes the Packers WRs are good, however, everybody on that offense shines brightly from Aaron Rodger's glow. Rodger's pinpoint accuracy seems to be as good on deep throws as it is in short throws.

That isn't a slam on Romo.

Fair, but go compare DAL's explosive plays in the first quarter compared to PHI, PIT, IND and you will see that this team does not have many big plays early in games.

 

[pancakeman]

Probably the only reason we passed on first down before halftime was because we were in the two-minute offense. Other than that, we ran the ball on our first 13 first-down plays of the game. That is ridiculously predictable. Even if you're trying to "establish the run," for whatever reason, you should at least try to catch the defense off-guard every once in a while.

To me it says they were playing scared, prioritizing keeping the ball away from the Eagles above all.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

My honest unadulterated opinion is comparing Tony to Rodgers is an exercise in futility. Comparing Romo to anybody else is fine by me, however, at this point no QB in the league really compares to Aaron Rodgers. Rodger is playing at such a ridiculous level that you pretty much have to put him in a category by himself.

Yes the Packers WRs are good, however, everybody on that offense shines brightly from Aaron Rodger's glow. Rodger's pinpoint accuracy seems to be as good on deep throws as it is in short throws.

That isn't a slam on Romo.

i wasnt trying to compare them directly...this could be said of many qb's really...matt ryan comes to mind. Roddy White and Julio go get it. Fitzpatrick goes and gets the ball. Peyton doesnt seem to be able to miss because the WR's go snatch the ball.

Dez has some fire on the side lines, but I dont see jack from him on the field. He disappears.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Is it still Garrett's offense or is it Linehan's now?

Probably both.

 

[Redball Express]

Just how do you propose a change in ownership come about? Do you have $4-5 billion laying around?

No

Jerry needs to step upstairs and let Stephen run things

with Daddy's help of course.

Stephen needs to grow a pair.

and hire a GM and HC who knows professional football talent in the 2000's..

not like Garrett is trying to reinstall from the 90s which is antique..

compared to the offenses we are asking them to beat.

For once we need to get. AHEAD of the curve instead of hopelessly behind it

 

[NeonDeion21]

No

Jerry needs to step upstairs and let Stephen run things

with Daddy's help of course.

Stephen needs to grow a pair.

and hire a GM and HC who knows professional football talent in the 2000's..

not like Garrett is trying to reinstall from the 90s which is antique..

compared to the offenses we are asking them to beat.

For once we need to get. AHEAD of the curve instead of hopelessly behind it

I mean, the OP were suggestions on how to improve the offense. DAL is still 8-4 and having a pretty successful season. Don't panic too much.

 

[Redball Express]

I mean, the OP were suggestions on how to improve the offense. DAL is still 8-4 and having a pretty successful season. Don't panic too much.

Hey.

I'm starting early

And Its not panic..

its anger.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

This entire thread is emblematic of our silly fans.

The OP talks about how on first down...we are 33% more productive running the ball (than league average) and 18% more productive passing the ball (than league average) and somehow this represents a problem for our fans.

And to top it all off the OP wants us to pass more on first down (where we have less excess production vs. league average).

Everyone please go sit in the corner.

 

[Redball Express]

This entire thread is emblematic of our silly fans.

The OP talks about how on first down...we are 33% more productive running the ball (than league average) and 18% more productive passing the ball (than league average) and somehow this represents a problem for our fans.

And to top it all off the OP wants us to pass more on first down (where we have less excess production vs. league average).

Everyone please go sit in the corner.

My I wear the Dunce Hat first?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

This entire thread is emblematic of our silly fans.

The OP talks about how on first down...we are 33% more productive running the ball (than league average) and 18% more productive passing the ball (than league average) and somehow this represents a problem for our fans.

And to top it all off the OP wants us to pass more on first down (where we have less excess production vs. league average).

Everyone please go sit in the corner.

Adam agrees with the OP. Adam > Lion King Guy

 

[LandryFan]

No

Jerry needs to step upstairs and let Stephen run things

with Daddy's help of course.

Stephen needs to grow a pair.

and hire a GM and HC who knows professional football talent in the 2000's..

not like Garrett is trying to reinstall from the 90s which is antique..

compared to the offenses we are asking them to beat.

For once we need to get. AHEAD of the curve instead of hopelessly behind it

Gotcha, but that's not really a change in ownership. I know what you're saying, but you and I both know JJ isn't giving up anything until he's dead or incapacitated.

 

[Risen Star]

Wait. So now we're running the ball too much?

Hey, if a run fails I think we should have called a pass. If a pass fails, we should have ran it.

 

[AdamJT13]

This entire thread is emblematic of our silly fans.

The OP talks about how on first down...we are 33% more productive running the ball (than league average) and 18% more productive passing the ball (than league average) and somehow this represents a problem for our fans.

And to top it all off the OP wants us to pass more on first down (where we have less excess production vs. league average).

Everyone please go sit in the corner.

First of all, the numbers in the OP are not correct, according to pro-football-reference.com. We're averaging 8.9 yards per pass on first down, compared with the league average of 6.7. http://pfref.com/tiny/ZkIAc

And we're averaging 5.3 yards per rush on first down, compared with the league average of 4.3 (kneel-downs excluded from either stat). http://pfref.com/tiny/MeDdV

So we're actually 33 percent better than league average when we pass on first down and only 23 percent better when we rush on first down, which refutes your point.

But secondly, who really cares about "excess production"? The point of the game is to gain yards (and thereby score points) any way you can. A different run/pass mix on first down might gain more yards per play overall, even if the "excess production" on each type of play drops.

 

[NeonDeion21]

First of all, the numbers in the OP are not correct, according to pro-football-reference.com. We're averaging 8.9 yards per pass on first down, compared with the league average of 6.7. http://pfref.com/tiny/ZkIAc

And we're averaging 5.3 yards per rush on first down, compared with the league average of 4.3 (kneel-downs excluded from either stat). http://pfref.com/tiny/MeDdV

So we're actually 33 percent better than league average when we pass on first down and only 23 percent better when we rush on first down, which refutes your point.

But secondly, who really cares about "excess production"? The point of the game is to gain yards (and thereby score points) any way you can. A different run/pass mix on first down might gain more yards per play overall, even if the "excess production" on each type of play drops.

Ah. Thanks for the update. The article in the link was submitted Friday morning. For some reason, it wasn't posted until this evening so it threw off the league averages a tad.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Hey.

I'm starting early

And Its not panic..

its anger.

Man I feel bead for you because I think you know in your heart of hearts what you want to happens will not happen in yours or my lifetime. So maybe try covert your anger within the scope of realistic possibilities.

It's gotta be pretty difficult writing that check for the tickets every year but hey - this season has not played out yet, lot can happen. Who knows - you might even get a playoff game with those tickets this year.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

First of all, the numbers in the OP are not correct, according to pro-football-reference.com. We're averaging 8.9 yards per pass on first down, compared with the league average of 6.7. http://pfref.com/tiny/ZkIAc

And we're averaging 5.3 yards per rush on first down, compared with the league average of 4.3 (kneel-downs excluded from either stat). http://pfref.com/tiny/MeDdV

So we're actually 33 percent better than league average when we pass on first down and only 23 percent better when we rush on first down, which refutes your point.

But secondly, who really cares about "excess production"? The point of the game is to gain yards (and thereby score points) any way you can. A different run/pass mix on first down might gain more yards per play overall, even if the "excess production" on each type of play drops.

Except that's all speculation. If we throw more our efficiency throwing will most assuredly go down.

Nobody here knows what the magical ratio is. Nor can anyone quantify the effect of wearing down defenses defending the run (being leaned on rather than doing the leaning when pass rushing).

I mean taken to its logical conclusion, since the objective of the game is to gain yards (really it's to score more points but I won't quibble), teams should always pass and never run. Clearly that isn't optimal.

Look at the end of the day we don't know if the 6 to 4 ratio is optimal or not. But everyone in here complaining aren't making rational arguments to state that it isn't.