Here Are Some Problems I've Found With The Offense

quaigs

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This entire thread is emblematic of our silly fans.

The OP talks about how on first down...we are 33% more productive running the ball (than league average) and 18% more productive passing the ball (than league average) and somehow this represents a problem for our fans.

And to top it all off the OP wants us to pass more on first down (where we have less excess production vs. league average).

Everyone please go sit in the corner.


Your the only one in this thread that makes any sense. The OP shows that the Cowboys are killing it on first down, yet somehow he/she believes that it's a negative. To make it worst all the sheep agree with him, without putting any rational thought into it. This board is insane.
 

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Yeah - when I firsts read this thread I got really confused about the first down commentary. Whether we run or pass and it is predictable doesn't matter - we are better on first down than anyone in the league. Load up the box - if I can still run for 5 yards, great.
 

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We fans tend to oversimplify. I don't think it's a matter of running too much or passing too much. Offenses can still be creative even when they're pass or run oriented. Granted, in the past, opponents have called out Garrett's predictability, but their comments probably don't have anything to do with running or passing too much. They likely address a tendency to do the same kinds of things in certain situations.
 

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Your the only one in this thread that makes any sense. The OP shows that the Cowboys are killing it on first down, yet somehow he/she believes that it's a negative. To make it worst all the sheep agree with him, without putting any rational thought into it. This board is insane.

Actually, there are a number of good points being made on both sides. Lashing out at those with whom you disagree is often a sign of insecurity in one's own position.
 

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Actually, there are a number of good points being made on both sides. Lashing out at those with whom you disagree is often a sign of insecurity in one's own position.

I must have missed all those great points that used a factual basis for their claims.
 

quaigs

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Actually, there are a number of good points being made on both sides. Lashing out at those with whom you disagree is often a sign of insecurity in one's own position.

The OP points out that we are doing great on first down, Adam says best in the league. Thread turns into garret sucks, does that make sense to you?
 

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The OP points out that we are doing great on first down, Adam says best in the league. Thread turns into garret sucks, does that make sense to you?

You aren't following this thread at all, are you?
 

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First and foremost, the Cowboys have become VERY predictable on first downs. The Cowboys are running on 67.1% of their first downs, averaging 5.6 yards per attempt. The rest of the NFL runs on about 46.5% of their first downs, while only averaging 4.2 yards per attempt. While the Cowboys yards per carry average is fantastic, the Cowboys are having far more success passing the ball on first down compared to the rest of the NFL. Dallas is averaging 8.0 yards per attempt passing the ball on first down, while the rest of the league 6.8 per attempt.

I don't have time to read all the replies on this thread so maybe someone already brought this up -- it could be argued that the reason why the Cowboys are having so much success passing the ball on first down is because they've been so run heavy on first down and it lends an element of surprise when they do pass (or defenses are set up to stop the run because they're playing the averages). I dunno, when I see 5.6 yards per running attempt on first down and 8.0 yards per passing attempt on first down, I don't think we have problems with first downs at all, this run-pass ratio seems to be working fine. Work on other stuff.
 

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We just have a poor offense overall. There is no creativity minus the few different plays we see a season(Shuttle-pass to Witten on the GL). Our scheme is outdated to boot. We have the players to have an elite offense but Garrett's system is what's holding them back.

Players aren't developed correctly in most cases, they aren't used to their strengths, don't use the middle of the field, so on.......

We have other playmakers like Harris, Escobar, past TE's, Dunbar, Randle but rarely see the field and when they do.........a play is called and we all know there is a high probability that they are getting the ball.....applies mostly to Escobar and Harris.

We need a new scheme and system that is strong enough to make up for a bad defense. Way too many slow starts, 3 and outs from dumb play-calls or penalties.

Red-zone scoring has improved as well as the run game but predictability and mental errors are their kryptonite.

This is over the course of the last 12 games and a few years, not on a week to week basis because Dallas can have a gem of a game once in awhile. Until Garrett changes or is fired, not much will change(offensively). This is all in my opinion..........................................

Excellent post
 

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Garrett and Stephen are probably closer than Jerry and Garrett... Stephen has been in personnel with Jim Garrett and Lacewell since 1997. I actually think Stephen may be worse than Jerry.

You guys are insufferable.. Haha.
 

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If JG is so smart, why the heck would you copy Nick Saban's coaching style? He failed miserably as a HC in the NFL.
I know he's great college coach but last time I checked the Cowboys play in the NFL.

You said a mouthful there.

I understand why Garrett wants to associate his philosophies with successful coaches.

Frankly..

I'd like to see him emulate Jimmy Johnson more.

Guys like Saban failed in the NFL badly.

What he did to Miami when he dumped them to go to Alabama was criminal.

Some role model he is.

No wonder Garrett struggles with the task.
 

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The OP points out that we are doing great on first down, Adam says best in the league.

We average the most yards on first downs in the league, but I also pointed out that we are below average when it comes to picking up first downs on first down.

Many of the complaints in this thread, however, are about the play calling on first downs against the Eagles. Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run is a little predictable and likely contributed to our lack of big plays.
 

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We just have a poor offense overall. There is no creativity minus the few different plays we see a season(Shuttle-pass to Witten on the GL). Our scheme is outdated to boot. We have the players to have an elite offense but Garrett's system is what's holding them back.

Players aren't developed correctly in most cases, they aren't used to their strengths, don't use the middle of the field, so on.......

We have other playmakers like Harris, Escobar, past TE's, Dunbar, Randle but rarely see the field and when they do.........a play is called and we all know there is a high probability that they are getting the ball.....applies mostly to Escobar and Harris.

We need a new scheme and system that is strong enough to make up for a bad defense. Way too many slow starts, 3 and outs from dumb play-calls or penalties.

Red-zone scoring has improved as well as the run game but predictability and mental errors are their kryptonite.

This is over the course of the last 12 games and a few years, not on a week to week basis because Dallas can have a gem of a game once in awhile. Until Garrett changes or is fired, not much will change(offensively). This is all in my opinion..........................................

Throw in the fact that we don't play the whole game... Especially on offense. We play 2 1/2 to 3 quarters. 1st quarter we spot teams 14+ points. Not a good formula.
 

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Whatever happened to the fake Romo pass and draw play up the middle that we used to run?

I used to hate that play because we wore it out. But, i feel like i havent seen it in 3 years.

Or how about a misdirection pass play that we used to run? Ill always remember the play where the toght end would fall down and the Qb would roll right, only to fire it back to the TE kn the left side.

Some creativity would be nice. Ill even settle for two wide reciever crossing patterns at this point.
 

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Those are fantastic averages on first downs. Could we be better? Of course, but it's not as simple of running less or passing more. Better execution at times will help, but when a defense knows the play before the snap, they will stop it. Better play design and creativity will help this offense a lot more. This offense isn't designed to be "explosive", which sounds odd considering how many deep, vertical routes we run. A large number of our "explosive" plays were not by design, but because of a breakdown. Tony and company making a play, vs. the play taking advantage of a defense by design.

The passing game does little to get the ball to players in space, too many comebacks, stick routes and back shoulder throws. Dez excels in those routes because he's a big physical WR and can sometimes break that initial tackle for a big gain. Get that ball to Dez on the move and he becomes that much harder to bring down. Dez with a full head of steam will make some DB's to make "business decisions". Beasley does a good job when he gets that ball on the move. He's not gonna beast anyone, but he almost always makes that first guy miss. He's just so shifty out in open field. TWIII doesn't get seperation? It might help if the DB's didn't already know the route he was going to run. Teams blitzing up the middle? How about a middle screen, since that usually means a defensive hole in the middle of the field. Utilize the middle of the field more on passing plays, especially when they are stacking the box and are in man coverage. More misdirection, more motion, how about a few roll outs.
 

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Whatever happened to the fake Romo pass and draw play up the middle that we used to run?

I used to hate that play because we wore it out. But, i feel like i havent seen it in 3 years.

That pretty much disappeared after Garrett started relinquishing "control" first to Callahan and now Linehan.
 

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That's my belief. Most teams do run on 1st down. PA seems to work very well, at least for DAL, on 1st down. Again, just my belief.

I'm about to read your posted link to your site but was wondering of our rushingpassing success rate on 2nd because that almost determine which play (run v. pass should be shifted towards to avoid the 3rd and longs).
 
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