Here you go Jerry

[Hostile]

Some people have them and know them some just don't them

:laugh2:

Want to try again?

 

[TheDude]

:laugh2:

Want to try again?

Do you?

 

[Hostile]

Do you?

Oh look, Internet Tough Guy after an edit.

 

[TheDude]

Oh look, Internet Tough Guy after an edit.

Speaking of paranoia...

How that was a "internet tough guy" threat is delusional. but from someone who defends the current regime and order of operations...

Sorry I left out a word, you got me. you're the man

 

[Hostile]

Speaking of paranoia...

How that was a "internet tough guy" threat is delusional. but from someone who defends the current regime and order of operations...

If it wasn't a theat it was still smug.

I laughed because you flubbed up. Nothing more.

 

[TheDude]

If it wasn't a theat it was still smug.

I laughed because you flubbed up. Nothing more.

Of all the points made, you picked out the ommitted word flub.

you da man

 

[Hostile]

Of all the points made, you picked out the ommitted word flub.

you da man

Do you even know what I laughed about? You're all over the map rambling now.

 

[TheDude]

Do you even know what I laughed about? You're all over the map rambling now.

I really don't care what you laughing at because when typically somebody puts up decent evidence that Jerry, Stephen, Wade or some combination thereof is blowing it - you speak out of both sides of your mouth. You then turn to be condescending and deflect the discussion by picking apart a line not related to the subject. It really is childish and you usually show to better than that.

You have a lot of great knowledge about the history of this team, and somewhere you have connections to the insides of the team. you obviously know football and are usually logical knowing people get out of bounds. But somewhere you are overly clouded in your judgement about this organization's competence.

You say Jerry delegates and gets people the "football guys" want. However, there are exceptions to that (Owens, R Williams). Maybe the staff wanted RW in 2008 after Game 5, but Jerry wanted him before that. He hired Garrett before hiring a HC. You compare Garrett to Coordinators in place during a coaching change (LaBaeu/Tomlin, Kiffen.Gruden). Most 1st year coordinators are not hired before a HC. You are correct that most here will never know how to run an NFL football operations, but you don't need to do every job before you can realize someone else is doing a bad job. If that was the case, no one would be able to opine on anything.

Which brings me to my list of the talent on the roster. I submit the Parcells era has almost all of the marque names and developed some solid players. in 2-3 years the only thing left from Pihllips era are 3 1st rounders (Dez, Jenkins, Spencer).

So let that sink in. You defend Jerry as a delegator. Then that is an indictment on his football guys as there are 5 times the holes in this team as when Parcells left and NO depth. If it is the football guys, then Stephen is a failure and won't be gone for decades. But ultimately, Jerry could act like Scott pioli and squash some requests. You say he isn't that.

He and Dan reeves also said that it was Jerry specifically who included the "clause" that ended that relationship. That shows Jerry does have an active role in some things.

How do you conceive that the delegates are delegator or doing a good job. The only light at the end of the tunnel is that this will be an embarrassment in excess of 3 5-11 seasons and will force Jerry's hand to get a real "football guy" in here and maybe we can start rebuilding what Wade and Co have lost


Again, people can tell when something is wrong, they may not all have the exact answers, but they see how successful teams have done things and then look at this team. there are certain things that seem to work and then most often this team trys a different way.

you keep talking about football guys opinions, but I have seen many football guys opinions (R Lewis, etc) that say this team is soft and a joke. you pick and choose to fit your need, which is ok if you are defending success, but this is a far cry from getting that label

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Show me some proof of this, because he did NOT want to waive Terrell Owens.

You're right on that Hos, but that was a very unique situation. I'll rephrase my earlier statement to say MOST of the time, Jerry gets what he wants, but that was a situation where from what I remember, basically EVERYONE in the organization wanted T.O. gone. And when you've got Stephen Jones, your coaches, your scouts, your QB telling you to get rid of him, it's tough to stare at them and say no. Jerry made that move very begrudgingly.

However, T.O. being here in the first place speaks volumes about exactly what I'm talking about with Jerry. Parcells didn't want him, so why bring him in? Jerry thought he knew better. Or maybe he thought his car salesman grin and wink would work and turn T.O. into a changed man. Jerry got what he wanted - a full house every Sunday, tons of jersey sales, even more national exposure, but it came crashing down in the end just like everyone in the organization with any kind of common sense probably told him when he originally made the move.

Which brings me to my list of the talent on the roster. I submit the Parcells era has almost all of the marque names and developed some solid players. in 2-3 years the only thing left from Pihllips era are 3 1st rounders (Dez, Jenkins, Spencer).

Good point..someone's not getting the job done here. If it ain't Jerry, then it's the staff he has in place. One way or another, someone needs to get their act together or we need to get someone else in here to steer the ship. Because what we're doing now isn't working.

 

[morasp]

All you have to do is look around to find teams that have followed this forumla. The Colts come to mind with Bill Pollian. Newer teams in that process would be the Commanders and Chiefs. It will be interesting to see how they do in the near future but I'll bet they will be playoff teams in short order.

 

[kristie]

wow to all of this.

 

[Stash]

I have no issue with this.

Garrett was a good hire.

We can go on and debate Garrett again, but the fact is that hiring him first was part of the dysfunction.

You won't get good coaches operating that way.

 

[dbair1967]

We can go on and debate Garrett again, but the fact is that hiring him first was part of the dysfunction.

You won't get good coaches operating that way.

IIRC, there was the issue of some deadline when Garrett had to take the job, and the Dolphins only granted permission for us to interview him if he would be hired as a true offensive coordinator.

Nobody ever mentions this anymore, but it definitely was a factor.

I think Jerry really wanted to make Garrett HC after interviewing him, but was worried about the experience factor. He was probably also a little worried about the fan reaction.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I bet Jones probably wishes now he would have just made him the HC. Some of the names Garrett was putting out there as key assistants were really top notch guys too. Then there's the continued mumblings that the utter lack of discipline and players not paying attention to details is more of a Wade thing, and something that irritaes Garrett.

I still dont think he's getting the HC job here next yr, but I do think he will make a good HC one day.

 

[Stash]

Here is another tidbit on why they made the move to bring in Garrett.



Here is the link to the full article:

http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2007/01/jason-garrett-a-wanted-man/

Another little quote:



Here is the link:

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2007/01/26/Cowboys-new-coach-naming-on-hold/UPI-41591169852175/

Craig

Welcome to 2007, before all of his warts and shortcomings were made obvious.

In 2009 his list of suitors had dried up to the point that even the lowly Lions didn't want him.

The 'shooting star' has faded.

 

[dbair1967]

Welcome to 2007, before all of his warts and shortcomings were made obvious.

In 2009 his list of suitors had dried up to the point that even the lowly Lions didn't want him.

The 'shooting star' has faded.

Nobody really wanted Bill Belichick either after the Browns debacle.

 

[Stash]

IIRC, there was the issue of some deadline when Garrett had to take the job, and the Dolphins only granted permission for us to interview him if he would be hired as a true offensive coordinator.

Nobody ever mentions this anymore, but it definitely was a factor.

Yeah, I think it was but I'm not sure how. If a team wants to give a coach a promotion, my understanding was that his current team couldn't stop him. But maybe I'm off base.

I think Jerry really wanted to make Garrett HC after interviewing him, but was worried about the experience factor. He was probably also a little worried about the fan reaction.

We should still be worried about the experience factor. It's obvious that his on-the-job training continues.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I bet Jones probably wishes now he would have just made him the HC. Some of the names Garrett was putting out there as key assistants were really top notch guys too. Then there's the continued mumblings that the utter lack of discipline and players not paying attention to details is more of a Wade thing, and something that irritaes Garrett.

I still dont think he's getting the HC job here next yr, but I do think he will make a good HC one day.

He may very well make a good head coach one day, but I'm not willing to wait several years to find out.

 

[Stash]

Nobody really wanted Bill Belichick either after the Browns debacle.

And it took him 5 more years of perfecting his craft before he got another shot.

Do we want to wait 5 more years in the hope that Garrett gets it?

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, I think it was but I'm not sure how. If a team wants to give a coach a promotion, my understanding was that his current team couldn't stop him. But maybe I'm off base.
.

Pretty sure the only thing this applies to now is the HC position. Otherwise the team has to grant persmission for coaches under contract to leave for another team, regardless of what they are interviewing for. Garrett was under contract with Miami.

Also IIRC, I think Parcells refused to let Sparano leave to join Sean Payton's staff.

 

[dbair1967]

And it took him 5 more years of perfecting his craft before he got another shot.

Do we want to wait 5 more years in the hope that Garrett gets it?

I dont know that it would take him 5 more years. I think the point is moot though, because I dont think he's getting the job here.

I do think that one day we're going to be watching his team somewhere and all come to the conclusion of "gee, Wade was really the issue with discipline and fundamentals"

 

[Stash]

I dont know that it would take him 5 more years. I think the point is moot though, because I dont think he's getting the job here.

I don't think so either.

Things are going downhill fast and I can't see Jerry trying to seel any of this 'continuity' again.

I do think that one day we're going to be watching his team somewhere and all come to the conclusion of "gee, Wade was really the issue with discipline and fundamentals"

We'll see. I don't put much stock in that claim as this team is a 50-50 split.

But, again, I don't have the patience to wait.