Here you go Jerry

[morasp]

And it took him 5 more years of perfecting his craft before he got another shot.

Do we want to wait 5 more years in the hope that Garrett gets it?

Why not, we waited 13 for a wild card win.

 

[Hostile]

You're right on that Hos, but that was a very unique situation. I'll rephrase my earlier statement to say MOST of the time, Jerry gets what he wants, but that was a situation where from what I remember, basically EVERYONE in the organization wanted T.O. gone. And when you've got Stephen Jones, your coaches, your scouts, your QB telling you to get rid of him, it's tough to stare at them and say no. Jerry made that move very begrudgingly.

However, T.O. being here in the first place speaks volumes about exactly what I'm talking about with Jerry. Parcells didn't want him, so why bring him in? Jerry thought he knew better. Or maybe he thought his car salesman grin and wink would work and turn T.O. into a changed man. Jerry got what he wanted - a full house every Sunday, tons of jersey sales, even more national exposure, but it came crashing down in the end just like everyone in the organization with any kind of common sense probably told him when he originally made the move.

All teams, not just the Cowboys, discuss every player out there who is a Free Agent. Never doubt this. They do not miss a trick. None of them do. GMs go to coaches and ask them if they want a given player. If the coach signs off on it, the GM will go try to make that happen. Parcells signed off on us acquiring Owens. It was not a case of Jerry telling him he was going to get him over protestations. Parcells said as much in his PCs about it.

Now, do I think Parcells really did want him? No, I don't, never did, and never will. However, Parcells is not a liar. He doesn't sugar coat anything. He is outspoken and frank. He never said he was forced to take Owens and I do not believe he was.

 

[Hostile]

IIRC, there was the issue of some deadline when Garrett had to take the job, and the Dolphins only granted permission for us to interview him if he would be hired as a true offensive coordinator.

Not only this, but as has been shown he was in high demand. Saban wanted him as his OC at Bama. Cameron wated to make him OC at Miami. Linehan wanted him to be his OC in St. Louis.

Jerry had to move quickly and I just don't see why anyone thinks an incoming head coach would have an issue with the way Jerry handled that hiring. There is no evidence of it ever being an issue with anyone but the fans. Therefore I put no stock in it at all.

Good business decisions are not dysfunction.

 

[Stash]

Not only this, but as has been shown he was in high demand. Saban wanted him as his OC at Bama. Cameron wated to make him OC at Miami. Linehan wanted him to be his OC in St. Louis.

Again, he was in demand in 2007. His stock has plummeted since.

Jerry had to move quickly and I just don't see why anyone thinks an incoming head coach would have an issue with the way Jerry handled that hiring. There is no evidence of it ever being an issue with anyone but the fans. Therefore I put no stock in it at all.

How would there ever be evidence?

Do we honestly think Wade would say that he had a problem with it? Not if he ever wants to work in the league again.

And ask yourself, would a quality head coach like Bill Cowher accept that condition? Not a chance.

Good business decisions are not dysfunction.

Backwards dynamics are.

This was putting the cart before the horse.

And if it wasn't a retread like Wade desparate for one last head-coaching opportunity, they wouldn't have accepted it.

And I don't see how anyone can sit back three years later and say it was a good business decision.

Any of it.

 

[George]

All teams, not just the Cowboys, discuss every player out there who is a Free Agent. Never doubt this. They do not miss a trick. None of them do. GMs go to coaches and ask them if they want a given player. If the coach signs off on it, the GM will go try to make that happen. Parcells signed off on us acquiring Owens. It was not a case of Jerry telling him he was going to get him over protestations. Parcells said as much in his PCs about it.

Now, do I think Parcells really did want him? No, I don't, never did, and never will. However, Parcells is not a liar. He doesn't sugar coat anything. He is outspoken and frank. He never said he was forced to take Owens and I do not believe he was.

Wait until his book comes out later regarding Owens. I'd be surprised if he didn't feel "forced" or at least coerced into that move. And, I'd be surprised if that wasn't part of the reason he left the Cowboys. The perception that Jerry meddles is credible. It is often counterproductive.

 

[dbair1967]

Wait until his book comes out later regarding Owens. I'd be surprised if he didn't feel "forced" or at least coerced into that move. And, I'd be surprised if that wasn't part of the reason he left the Cowboys. The perception that Jerry meddles is credible. It is often counterproductive.

Parcells could have easily said "if you sign him I quit"...and he (Jerry) wouldnt have signed him...he could have also said "I'll try it and see what happens" and then told Jerry the same thing after the season.

He didnt. This fantasy some of you have about Jerry running off Parcells is not going to be true, no matter how many times some of you want to say it.

He was ready to quit coaching, thats why he left. Period, end of story.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Parcells could have easily said "if you sign him I quit"...and he (Jerry) wouldnt have signed him...he could have also said "I'll try it and see what happens" and then told Jerry the same thing after the season.

He didnt. This fantasy some of you have about Jerry running off Parcells is not going to be true, no matter how many times some of you want to say it.

He was ready to quit coaching, thats why he left. Period, end of story.

Yep, he always leaves after about four years. He just did the same at Miami.

I wonder if the owner at Miami forced that thug Marshall on him, too.

 

[George]

Parcells could have easily said "if you sign him I quit"...and he (Jerry) wouldnt have signed him...he could have also said "I'll try it and see what happens" and then told Jerry the same thing after the season.

He didnt. This fantasy some of you have about Jerry running off Parcells is not going to be true, no matter how many times some of you want to say it.

He was ready to quit coaching, thats why he left. Period, end of story.

First, there is politics involved in coaching. To explain, you don't quit, especially with a decent contract. You don't leave an owner high and dry no matter what the owner does. You would get destroyed in the media.

Second, there was interest in Miami toward the end of the contract with the Cowboys. Parcells would have stayed with the Cowboys but the choice between Jerry's meddling and a new chance in Miami out-trumped staying with the Cowboys.

Jerry didn't intentionally run off Parcells. But the meddling sure didn't help. End of story.

 

[George]

Yep, he always leaves after about four years. He just did the same at Miami.

I wonder if the owner at Miami forced that thug Marshall on him, too.

Marshall's not a team divider like TO. Good try.

 

[craig71]

Welcome to 2007, before all of his warts and shortcomings were made obvious.

In 2009 his list of suitors had dried up to the point that even the lowly Lions didn't want him.

The 'shooting star' has faded.

I see.

I seem to be quoting facts as to why Garrett was hired before Wade. How Wade himself named Garrett OC. Now you want to change the topic.
Does Garrett have warts? Yes he does, but so does every coach in the league.

Here's something else for you:

After Jason Garrett interviewed for the vacancy Jan. 25, Jones hired him to an unspecified role on the coaching staff. It has been presumed he will be the offensive coordinator, but Phillips said he didn’t want to discuss Garrett’s role until he had a chance to talk to the former backup quarterback.

Here is the link:

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/16877020/


Craig

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Second, there was interest in Miami toward the end of the contract with the Cowboys. Parcells would have stayed with the Cowboys but the choice between Jerry's meddling and a new chance in Miami out-trumped staying with the Cowboys.

An entire year passed between the time Parcells quit and the Miami job came open. Right?

Edit, just checked and it was more like 11 months.

 

[rcaldw]

I think in some of these side discussions (though they are entertaining and have some good substance), the ball is getting missed sometimes.

The issue is pretty simple. Does Dallas really function like just about every other NFL organization?

Hos says yes. Nothing dysfunctional here. Nothing to see. Move on.

I say, and many others say, Jerry is a problem and Dallas is a circus at times. And it isn't just FANS who say this. There are NFL people who have said this in the past, past players have said this.

So, a thousands points of debate won't change Hos' view, and that is fine with me.

I just respectfully, but firmly, disagree.

 

[George]

An entire year passed between the time Parcells quit and the Miami job came open. Right?

Edit, just checked and it was more like 11 months.

And what???? Parcells didn't and doesn't appear desperate.

 

[Stash]

I see.

I seem to be quoting facts as to why Garrett was hired before Wade. How Wade himself named Garrett OC. Now you want to change the topic.
Does Garrett have warts? Yes he does, but so does every coach in the league.

OK, so you gave reasons why it was done in the way it was done. From a Jerry Jones perspective. In 2007, the league viewed Garrett as the next Sean Payton. Now he's the next David Shula.

And the dynamic of hiring him right before the head coach is still dysfunctional, no matter what Jones' motivations were. And you won't get a quality coach making the same demands of them.

Here's something else for you:



Here is the link:

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/16877020/


Craig

OK, what point are you trying to make with this link?

Still believe Jerry thinks he 'got it right'?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And what???? Parcells didn't and doesn't appear desperate.

You said one reason he left was the fact that the Miami job was open and appealed to him.

 

[Hostile]

And ask yourself, would a quality head coach like Bill Cowher accept that condition? Not a chance.

I absolutely disagree. I don't think he would have had any issue at all.

 

[Hostile]

I think in some of these side discussions (though they are entertaining and have some good substance), the ball is getting missed sometimes.

The issue is pretty simple. Does Dallas really function like just about every other NFL organization?

Hos says yes. Nothing dysfunctional here. Nothing to see. Move on.

I say, and many others say, Jerry is a problem and Dallas is a circus at times. And it isn't just FANS who say this. There are NFL people who have said this in the past, past players have said this.

So, a thousands points of debate won't change Hos' view, and that is fine with me.

I just respectfully, but firmly, disagree.

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying there is no blueprint which every team follows and we are going the opposite way.

Every team handles their business differently. People on this forum continue to think and claim Jerry Jones as GM is a puppet master. There is no evidence to support this, only supposition. The fact remains Jerry turns over A LOT of the day to day football operations to people on his staff.

As for the little you're offended because I disagree with you crap you just posted, tough it out or don't bother to discuss football with me. Come with some facts next time and you won't need to get offended.

 

[George]

You said one reason he left was the fact that the Miami job was open and appealed to him.

I didn't say the Miami job was open right then but I do intend that there was interest there that developed.

 

[dbair1967]

First, there is politics involved in coaching. To explain, you don't quit, especially with a decent contract. You don't leave an owner high and dry no matter what the owner does. You would get destroyed in the media.

Second, there was interest in Miami toward the end of the contract with the Cowboys. Parcells would have stayed with the Cowboys but the choice between Jerry's meddling and a new chance in Miami out-trumped staying with the Cowboys.

Jerry didn't intentionally run off Parcells. But the meddling sure didn't help. End of story.

ok, continued fantasy on your part...but ok

out of curiosity, why is he now leaving Miami after only two yrs?

 

[Stash]

I absolutely disagree. I don't think he would have had any issue at all.

Then our opinions could not differ more.

That, more than any other reason is why Jerry would not get a coach like Cowher.

The Cowboys have everything else an incoming coach could want:

High profile team

High level of talent

Owner willing to pay for good coaching

Owner willing to pay for players

And there are many others.

But if Jerry demands he get his way, he won't get the cream of the coaching crop and we'll have another lame duck on our hands and the reults will be the same.