Here you go Jerry

[Bull Frog]

Who hired Wade?

Who hired Garrett?

Not necessarily in that order either. He hired Garrett and everyone assumes he promised Garrett the next head coaching position.

IIRC, Garrett interviewed for another head coaching position, but Jerry paid him to stay as OC. I assume with the promise that he'd be the head coach of the Cowboys one day. Now Jerry is stuck.

What I think the OP is saying is Jerry needs to do the right thing for the team, not the right thing for Jerry.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, a name I would throw out there to get it all started,,, since this is fantasy anyway, Jimmy Johnson-GM in charge of football operations. Whatever money it takes, even if it is a piece of the team. Jimmy may not have the desire to coach, but he would know how to fix this thing and what coaches would need to be hired...

Only thing standing the way,, Jerry's ego.

Fantasy.

 

[Hostile]

Who hired Wade?

Who hired Garrett?

Who put this current dysfunctional 50-50 dynamic together?

If I'm mistaken and it wasn't Jerry Jones, let me know where I should direct my anger and frustration.

That is on Jerry. Never said differently.

Is that the GMs only job? If so then why are we stressing over something he does ever 4 years?

Again, Jerry is the money man. There are football guys in place doing the day to day running of the football team. Jerry is marketing.

 

[skicat1898]

Said it was.... So is believing Jerry will ever give up being envolved in football operations with his team.

 

[Hostile]

Ok, now this is something substantial. You are arguing that Jerry just carries the title GM, and really doesn't exert much influence on football matters. I would have to think about that one. One thing we can be sure of is Jerry doesn't agree with that. Just this week, after saying he is the owner, president, gm, he said that this is "on him".

That is exactly what I have been saying for months.

Jerry is not a GM the same way Ozzie Newsome is.

Jerry has football guys on the payrll to handle football stuff. He hires the Coaches per their recommendations and his interviews.

The rest of the time Jerry is about this business making cash.

Ya'll can believe differently all you want. That is why Wade and other coaches do not see him as meddling.

Jerry's visible. Whoop dee freaking doo. That doesn't win or lose football games.

 

[Stash]

That is on Jerry. Never said differently.

Is that the GMs only job? If so then why are we stressing over something he does ever 4 years?

Again, Jerry is the money man. There are football guys in place doing the day to day running of the football team. Jerry is marketing.

No, Jerry hasn't done a terrible job. No absolutes from me.

I can praise the man for what he's done well while condemning him for what he hasn't.

I think he's assembled a very good stable of talent, but his mistake is in thinking that talent is all his team needs and that he can get by with coaches he feels comfortable with rather than better options.

 

[rcaldw]

That is exactly what I have been saying for months.

Jerry is not a GM the same way Ozzie Newsome is.

Jerry has football guys on the payrll to handle football stuff. He hires the Coaches per their recommendations and his interviews.

The rest of the time Jerry is about this business making cash.

Ya'll can believe differently all you want. That is why Wade and other coaches do not see him as meddling.

Jerry's visible. Whoop dee freaking doo. That doesn't win or lose football games.

Well, did these football guys recommend not allowing Wade Philips to bring on his own staff, in its entirety. Did these football guys recommend hiring his OC before he hired his head coach?

Listen, I'm open to the idea of Jason Garrett for the head coaching job, but even I think that is wrong headed. If he has football guys telling him to do that, then he needs to get some new football guys.

 

[Frosty]

How is it negative to ask for a real plan not a mantra?

Oh boy, great idea.

A very Ad Nauseam post there buddy:

 

[Hostile]

No, Jerry hasn't done a terrible job. No absolutes from me.

I can praise the man for what he's done well while condemning him for what he hasn't.

I think he's assembled a very good stable of talent, but his mistake is in thinking that talent is all his team needs and that he can get by with coaches he feels comfortable with rather than better options.

I consider this an outstanding post and couldn't fault you for it if I wanted to.

Jerry has warts, but not hiring football guys is not one of them. Wade is a football guy, but the game has passed him by. Time for new blood.

 

[Hostile]

Well, did these football guys recommend not allowing Wade Philips to bring on his own staff, in its entirety. Did these football guys recommend hiring his OC before he hired his head coach?

Listen, I'm open to the idea of Jason Garrett for the head coaching job, but even I think that is wrong headed. If he has football guys telling him to do that, then he needs to get some new football guys.

Name me one coach in the NFL right now who year 1 brought in his entire staff and no one was a carry over from a previous staff.

Just one.

 

[Stash]

I consider this an outstanding post and couldn't fault you for it if I wanted to.

Thanks! First time for everything I guess!

Jerry has warts, but not hiring football guys is not one of them. Wade is a football guy, but the game has passed him by. Time for new blood.

I agree that the game has passed Wade by, Unfortunately, I felt the same about Parcells when he was here. Everything was basic and needed to be 'reigned in' under Big Bill.

I just don't think Jerry's current dynamic of roles and responsibilities works.

The head coach simply doesn't have the authority that he needs to be successful. Parcells had it, but as I said, the game had passed him by.

That dynamic works great for a guy like Wade who is a laid-back guy by nature, he doesn't mind his toes getting stepped-on every now and then. Wade's a good man and I feel bad that things haven't worked out for him. I truly do. But feelings can't get in the way of what is in this team's best interests.

I firmly believe that Jerry needs to look at himself and re-evaluate the way he's running things. Intentionally or not, he's done things that have been detrimental to the team's success.

I think the team needs a strong-willed, no-nonsense coach like Bill Cowher to re-establish football fundamentals and accountibility.

But unless Jerry is willing to give Cowher that level of authority, he won't get him. And then I personally think it won't matter what name comes in the door because whoever it is will be fighting that same uphill battle.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

No, it's both.

But put in on a chart and tell me where the needle is headed.

Are things better or are they worse?

Seems to me that the more they get their hands on this thing, the worse things get.

But if you're happy with things you're entitled to your opinion, the same way I'm entitled to mine.

well it is down this year but was up last year

I just find I never see posts like "you are what your record says you are" when we are winning, only when we are losing.

When we win it's let's see how we do, here/there etc

 

[Stash]

well it is down this year but was up last year

I just find I never see posts like "you are what your record says you are" when we are winning, only when we are losing.

When we win it's let's see how we do, here/there etc

Yeah, that saying doesn't seem to apply when you're winning and everything's going great.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

That is exactly what I have been saying for months.

Jerry is not a GM the same way Ozzie Newsome is.

Jerry has football guys on the payrll to handle football stuff. He hires the Coaches per their recommendations and his interviews.

The rest of the time Jerry is about this business making cash.

Ya'll can believe differently all you want. That is why Wade and other coaches do not see him as meddling.

Jerry's visible. Whoop dee freaking doo. That doesn't win or lose football games.

I don't believe that. Sure, Jerry has his staff in place just like everyone else, but he seems to be very involved. Maybe not in the day-to-day scouting, etc. But that's a big part of why he's NOT fit to be making football decisions for this team. If you're not going to be head first into it 24/7, then don't be the decision maker. Leave that to the guys who know what they're doing.

Ultimately he is the decision maker when he it comes to personnel. Yeah, he has his staff, but he's the guy who pulls the trigger. He decided to give Beuhler on the job training. He decided to neglect the offensive line. He pulled the trigger on our awful 2009 draft picks. He's running the show and until he isn't, he gets the blame.

 

[Hostile]

I don't believe that. Sure, Jerry has his staff in place just like everyone else, but he seems to be very involved. Maybe not in the day-to-day scouting, etc. But that's a big part of why he's NOT fit to be making football decisions for this team. If you're not going to be head first into it 24/7, then don't be the decision maker. Leave that to the guys who know what they're doing.

Ultimately he is the decision maker when he it comes to personnel. Yeah, he has his staff, but he's the guy who pulls the trigger. He decided to give Beuhler on the job training. He decided to neglect the offensive line. He pulled the trigger on our awful 2009 draft picks. He's running the show and until he isn't, he gets the blame.

1. Who deals with the agents to re-work deals or sign rookies?

2. Who discusses the finer points of these deals?

3. Who decides what players to go after in Fre Agency?

4. Who decides what players to go after in the Draft?

5. Who decides what players will be cut?


The answer to all 5 of those is NOT Jerry Jones. He ratifies the acts after he is briefed on the pros and cons.

What things seem and what they are, do not necessarily meet at the same point.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

1. Who deals with the agents to re-work deals or sign rookies?

2. Who discusses the finer points of these deals?

3. Who decides what players to go after in Fre Agency?

4. Who decides what players to go after in the Draft?

5. Who decides what players will be cut?


The answer to all 5 of those is NOT Jerry Jones. He ratifies the acts after he is briefed on the pros and cons.

What things seem and what they are, do not necessarily meet at the same point.

Oh I have no doubt that at least 3-to-5 are Jerry Jones. Of course there are other guys who do some of the legwork, but that's the same for any organization.

Does he get input from others? Sure, you're not going to convince me that a smart football person like I believe, say, a Tom Ciskowski to be, would treat the offensive line the way Jerry has, or come into the season with only Beuhler at kicker, or have Jesse Holley on their roster. Or decide to spend the 2009 draft picking players to help on special teams rather than adding guys who can potentially be starters. No, these are the workings and vision of one man - Jerry Jones.

 

[Hostile]

Oh I have no doubt that at least 3-to-5 are Jerry Jones. Of course there are other guys who do some of the legwork, but that's the same for any organization.

Does he get input from others? Sure, you're not going to convince me that a smart football person like I believe, say, a Tom Ciskowski to be, would treat the offensive line the way Jerry has, or come into the season with only Beuhler at kicker, or have Jesse Holley on their roster. Or decide to spend the 2009 draft picking players to help on special teams rather than adding guys who can potentially be starters. No, these are the workings and vision of one man - Jerry Jones.

I repeat, he ratifies the acts after he is briefed on the pros and cons.

2010 off season...no major FAs signed. Wade Phillips told him we didn't need any, and he personnel department said there were no good fits.

2009...Igor Olshansky and Keith Brooking signed. Former Wade players that he asked for. Gerald Sensabaugh signed. Former DeCamillis and Campo player that they sold Wade on.

Wade told Jerry he wanted Paul Pasqualoni to replace the departing DL Coach...Jerry told Stephen to make it happen. In mere hours a deal was reached.

Jerry is marketing.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I repeat, he ratifies the acts after he is briefed on the pros and cons.

If that's the case, then it's precisely why he shouldn't be making the decisions. He's a guy who shouldn't be making decisions anyway, getting second hand info and using that to make decisions that directly impact the football team.

2010 off season...no major FAs signed. Wade Phillips told him we didn't need any, and he personnel department said there were no good fits.

2009...Igor Olshansky and Keith Brooking signed. Former Wade players that he asked for. Gerald Sensabaugh signed. Former DeCamillis and Campo player that they sold Wade on.

Wade told Jerry he wanted Paul Pasqualoni to replace the departing DL Coach...Jerry told Stephen to make it happen. In mere hours a deal was reached.

Jerry is marketing.

I'm not denying that Wade gets some calls. Jerry throws him a bone sometimes, I mean after all, for better or worse, he IS the head coach of the team.

But did Wade tell Jerry he wanted Jason Garrett? Or old Jerry cronies like Hudson Houck and Dave Campo? Did he tell Jerry he wanted Jesse Holley on the roster? Or that Beuhler was the only kicker we needed? Or that our offensive line was just fine and dandy as it was? Did Wade decide to trade down in 2009 instead of drafting players who could have helped our football team? Did Wade really feel that what the team was missing were players like Tank Johnson and Pac Man Jones?? Did Dave Campo come to Jerry in 2000 and beg for Joey Galloway? Did Parcells ask for Terrell Owens or was it forced on him? Did Wade Phillips feel it was necessary to trade a 1st and 3rd rounder for Roy Williams?

I mean we can go on and on. Jerry will throw guys bones from time to time, but nobody will ever convince me that major organizational moves like these are made by anyone but Jerry Jones. And NOT just that he sits there and writes the check, no, he MAKES THE MOVE.

Someone help me out here -- wasn't there a draft pick in 2008 or 2009 (I believe 2009) that everyone made a big deal of being Wade's pick? It was a guy Wade had been targeting and the media made a big deal about the fact that it was like, the only pick in the draft Wade actually got to make himself. I'm racking my brain trying to remember who the guy was.

Nobody else but Jerry has been responsible for the direction and personnel decisions we've seen this team make recently. And if it's not him, then maybe our front office staff isn't as good as I hoped.

 

[Hostile]

But did Wade tell Jerry he wanted Jason Garrett?

It seriously just irks me to get asked questions like this. I feel like you are calling me an idiot without saying "you're an idiot." I would rather be asked serious questions.

Or old Jerry cronies like Hudson Houck and Dave Campo?

Wade asked for them.

Did he tell Jerry he wanted Jesse Holley on the roster?

Joe D. told Wade. Wade asked for it to happen.

Or that Beuhler was the only kicker we needed?

Joe D consulted with Boniol and it was decided by the entire staff to go with Buehler. So far, they aren't wrong.

Or that our offensive line was just fine and dandy as it was?

Stephen told him the club would be better off to waive Flo and start Free. The O staff agreed.

Did Wade decide to trade down in 2009 instead of drafting players who could have helped our football team?

I do not have an answer to this, but we generally trade down more often than up.

Did Dave Campo come to Jerry in 2000 and beg for Joey Galloway?

I don't care about this. It is 10 years ago. I got over it a long time ago.

Did Wade Phillips feel it was necessary to trade a 1st and 3rd rounder for Roy Williams?

Wade doesn't make trades, but he can ask for a player to be acquired. Who worked the phones for that deal? If you say Jerry you are wrong. Who negotiated the contract? If you say Jerry you are wrong.

 

[rcaldw]

Name me one coach in the NFL right now who year 1 brought in his entire staff and no one was a carry over from a previous staff.

Just one.

I don't mean to keep this going, but name me 1 coach who has his offensive coordinator hired for him before he is hired. I'm talking about AFTER there is already a head coaching vacancy.... i.e., it isn't an offensive coordinator being retained?

This could go on forever. You feel Jerry doesn't really have undo influence, I don't agree, and I'll bet there are a whole host of actual NFL people who will agree with me. I will bet there are people actually in the coaching business, actually in playing business (current and retired), and actually in the NFL front office business, who would say that what we have in Dallas is strange.