HH31's meaningless thoughts on Pacman, McFadden, and the draft

[CATCH17]

Runningbacks, especially those with questionable hands, are very hit or miss

All these guys are hit or miss.

The only difference is if you hit on McFadden than you hit on an absolute Superstar.

Plus I dont think his catching ability is that bad at all.

 

[Woods]

If he lives up to his potential than with our current Roster I believe we can overspend for him and not feel any effects from it.

Thats considering we get jailman

Either way McFadden is going to contribute a lot more than any Corner we'd draft in this next season,

One of the problems is that even if we get PacMan (and it seems as though it's increasingly likely), I don't think we can count on him. We still NEED to get another top CB.

If we have to give up both our 1st rounders and our 2nd rounder (roughly in line with the value chart - though we may also have to give up one additional pick later in Day 2), we're not left with much. We still need a RB and WR who can contribute this year.

I just think it's too much to give up, esp. because this RB draft class is so deep.

 

[Woods]

All these guys are hit or miss.

The only difference is if you hit on McFadden than you hit on an absolute Superstar.

Plus I dont think his catching ability is that bad at all.

By the way, do you consider DMAC on par with AD in terms of talent, better than AD, or a bit worse than AD?

 

[CATCH17]

By the way, do you consider DMAC on par with AD in terms of talent, better than AD, or a bit worse than AD?

In terms of talent I consider McFadden the better back.

Some scouts had him graded out as the highest RB to ever come out.

Plus I think with McFaddens frame he is going to be able to add a lot of bulk to it.

He is far from a finished product.

In college it wasn't close.

McFadden did much more, in the best defensive conference in the country, on far far less of a team.

At this stage in both players career I think McFadden is the better player fairly easily.

 

[dbair1967]

You honestly think this would be a brilliant move?

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he's the best player in the draft, we need another RB and more pop on offense, so yeah...it'd be a good move unless they just do some ridiculous deal...both 1sts and a 3rd or something of the sort would be a good deal for us

David

 

[dbair1967]

By the way, do you consider DMAC on par with AD in terms of talent, better than AD, or a bit worse than AD?

Because McFadden was more producitve against better competition (and on a lesser team) I think people have to give him the edge...he's just as big, he's faster and made more explosive plays. He also adds other dimensions in terms of being a decent receiver, quality kick returner (though doubtul anybody drafting him allows him to do that much) and you have to account for his ability to throw.

He may or may not match Peterson's success when he first enters the league, but coming out I think he carries a slightly better grade

David

 

[dbair1967]

Runningbacks, especially those with questionable hands, are very hit or miss

I've never seen anyone question his hands...if you watch him catching the ball he looks very natural at it and catches with his hands, not his body. Did he catch a ton of balls? No, but that was Arkansas' system more than anything else...Herschel Walker hardly ever caught a pass at Georgia, yet he became one of the alltime great receiving RB's when he got in the NFL

David

 

[Woods]

Because McFadden was more producitve against better competition (and on a lesser team) I think people have to give him the edge...he's just as big, he's faster and made more explosive plays. He also adds other dimensions in terms of being a decent receiver, quality kick returner (though doubtul anybody drafting him allows him to do that much) and you have to account for his ability to throw.

He may or may not match Peterson's success when he first enters the league, but coming out I think he carries a slightly better grade

David

Well, in any case, all this adds a lot of drama to the draft. I wouldn't be surprised at all if JJ makes the move. Let's see what happens.

 

[Primetime0201]

A top corner in the draft? Okay you tell me without any doubt who is going to be 100% hit at CB? You don't know do you? So say we get Pacman and say we draft a CB the CB is a bust what do we do now? Look at the WR's this year... Do you honestly think this is a decent group of WR's? NO! and none are worth a 1st round pick! Now who did these Wide outs play against? The CB's in this draft! So that might tell you why any of them look slightly appealing.

 

[dbair1967]

If he lives up to his potential than with our current Roster I believe we can overspend for him and not feel any effects from it.

Thats considering we get jailman

Either way McFadden is going to contribute a lot more than any Corner we'd draft in this next season,

and its not just contribute, its impact. A Nickel CB isnt going to make much of an impact. Is it something we need? absolutely.

But McFadden makes an impact on the whole team. Our offense gets a hgue boost, he's a huge big play threat teams will have to account for every time he's in, opening up more passing lanes for Romo & co. With him and Barber we'd have the best RB tandem in football, and our rush game gets a huge boost. We could control games with our running game and be more likely to hold leads and burn clock in 4th quarters of games we have leads, both of which improves our defense because it means less time on the field. You also have the added bonus of never having to wear either of them down, extending both players careers. And McFadden doesnt turn 21 until the fall, another bonus.

David

 

[dbair1967]

Well, in any case, all this adds a lot of drama to the draft. I wouldn't be surprised at all if JJ makes the move. Let's see what happens.

Yeah if they trade for Jones, it definitely creates options.

David

 

[CATCH17]

dbair I also think if Romo went down if you have Dmac and Barber we could still win a championship with Brad Johnson at QB considering D Mac pans out.

 

[dbair1967]

dbair I also think if Romo went down if you have Dmac and Barber we could still win a championship with Brad Johnson at QB considering D Mac pans out.

That has to be considered as well, McFadden is the kind of player who could carry a team. Anyone who doubts we need another really good weapon on offense need only look at last yr down the stretch. Romo gets hurt in December, plays mediocre ball the rest of the yr and we are 1 and done.

David

 

[Rampage]

That has to be considered as well, McFadden is the kind of player who could carry a team. Anyone who doubts we need another really good weapon on offense need only look at last yr down the stretch. Romo gets hurt in December, plays mediocre ball the rest of the yr and we are 1 and done.

David

that's a bunch of crap! we HAVE to draft a corner at #22 and a rb/wr at 28

 

[burmafrd]

Heavy, a LOT of teams in a LOT of sports have won titles without guys in trouble with the law. The 71 Boys had no one (Bullet did not get involved with drugs untill after he retired). The 77 Boys had 1. (Hollywood)

How about the Green Bay Packers? Hornung was gambling but it was not illegal and he was never charged=and for him it was all in fun.

Lakers of the 80s and the Celtics of the 80's: show me any criminals there.

Just in the last 10 years in the NFL (leaving out the Cheats) look at all the championship winners and point out their Police line up.

Now having party guys and free spirits is a whole other thing then what the Thug has been doing for the last several years.

 

[ndanger]

"It's people like him that make racism linger, there are too many self-respecting minorities who get generalized because of thugs like Jones."


You mean like the Hispanic lawn keeper who barely speaks two words of English?
Talk about lingering stereotypes and racism from both sides of your mouth much hh31 ?

 

[dalboy]

"It's people like him that make racism linger, there are too many self-respecting minorities who get generalized because of thugs like Jones."


You mean like the Hispanic lawn keeper who barely speaks two words of English?
Talk about lingering stereotypes and racism from both sides of your mouth much hh31 ?

oops...
I just stumbled into some funny irony.

 

[Doctor32]

oops...
I just stumbled into some funny irony.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Because McFadden was more producitve against better competition (and on a lesser team) I think people have to give him the edge...he's just as big, he's faster and made more explosive plays. He also adds other dimensions in terms of being a decent receiver, quality kick returner (though doubtul anybody drafting him allows him to do that much) and you have to account for his ability to throw.

He may or may not match Peterson's success when he first enters the league, but coming out I think he carries a slightly better grade

David

WOW. Faster huh? Stop focusing on 40 times at the combine. If you watch those two play you can obviously see that Peterson is faster. There is just no comparison between those two running backs.

And anybody who thinks we could win ANYTHING with Brad Johnson is out of their mind. The guy can't throw the ball more than 35 yards downfield. That Giant game really has people overreacting about this team.

 

[dbair1967]

WOW. Faster huh? Stop focusing on 40 times at the combine. If you watch those two play you can obviously see that Peterson is faster. There is just no comparison between those two running backs.

I have seen both...they both have tremendous speed....McFadden ran a slightly faster 40 time at the combine...how is there no comparison?

And anybody who thinks we could win ANYTHING with Brad Johnson is out of their mind. The guy can't throw the ball more than 35 yards downfield. That Giant game really has people overreacting about this team.

what are you babbling about? Nobody suggested anything about replacing Romo with Brad Johnson...soembody did suggest that if we added McFadden, that if something happened to Romo we would have a much better chance of winning then than we do now...you know, like just a few months ago where Romo injured his throwing hand and played mostly bad afterward?

David