hilarious - AdamJT13 vrs tr1 regarding cowboys cap situation
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http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249480&page=17&pp=15
It's not pretty, that moron tried to take on Adam about a cap related issue in a thread I know he wishes he never started.
It's not pretty, that moron tried to take on Adam about a cap related issue in a thread I know he wishes he never started.
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Adam had a few Commanders and Eagles fans agreeing with him and tr1 was still going at it.
Adam had a few Commanders and Eagles fans agreeing with him and tr1 was still going at it.
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I think Adam may have called it a night himself, as I'm about to. Go back and read the whole thread, or at least the last 10 pages.
It's especially sweet if you know what an *** tr1 is. It's just page after page of tr1 making an *** of himself and our guy telling him exactly why.
It's especially sweet if you know what an *** tr1 is. It's just page after page of tr1 making an *** of himself and our guy telling him exactly why.
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LOL. I've been keeping my eye on that one too. That TR1 guys is absolutley in love with the Cowboys. That's all he posts. He tries to spin things his way and he's too stupid to get out of his own way. I'd love to meet this clown face to face just to see how stupid he looks and sounds.
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that was hillarious.
I havent been on that site since about thanksgiving of last year.
Its amazing how stupid tr1 and bubba are. That thread should be enough for everyone to see how goofy those guys are.
If that type of tail whipping happened to me I wouldnt be around to much anymore.
oh and watching them refute adams info is pretty hysterical. I wish adam would have shown them the article from this past season where TODD ARCHER used ADAMJT13 as a source for a correction on something he wrote concerning the salary cap. I believe Archer called him an expert.
then again, tr1 and bubba like much of the people on that site should stick to cowboys suck and jessica simpson threads, anything more than that and it gets a little to difficult for them.
I havent been on that site since about thanksgiving of last year.
Its amazing how stupid tr1 and bubba are. That thread should be enough for everyone to see how goofy those guys are.
If that type of tail whipping happened to me I wouldnt be around to much anymore.
oh and watching them refute adams info is pretty hysterical. I wish adam would have shown them the article from this past season where TODD ARCHER used ADAMJT13 as a source for a correction on something he wrote concerning the salary cap. I believe Archer called him an expert.
then again, tr1 and bubba like much of the people on that site should stick to cowboys suck and jessica simpson threads, anything more than that and it gets a little to difficult for them.
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Originally Posted by tr1
Oh, okay....the Skins HAVE to do it...the pukes ELECT to do it.
That's correct. But I suppose you could argue that the Commanders ELECT to do it rather than cut a bunch of players they'd rather keep. But when you're over the cap, you HAVE to do something to get under the cap. When you already have enough cap space, you don't HAVE to do it.
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So the pukes wouldn't have re-signed Flo had Romo not re-structured FIRST?
What are you talking about?
Flozell Adams re-signed on February 28. Romo didn't restructure until May 16.
Unless the Cowboys plan on making another big-name acquisition this offseason, they already had all of the cap room they needed for this season before restructuring Romo's contract.
And they certainly didn't restructure Leonard Davis' contract to create cap room this season, considering that it RAISED his cap number for this season by $750,000. They did it to create even more cap room NEXT season.
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Originally Posted by bubba9497
could the Pokes sign the extensions, resign FloSlo, and their rookies if they didn't restructure contracts?
Yes, they absolutely could. Adams was resigned back in February, as I already explained. Giving extensions to Owens and Barber CREATED cap room this season. On the other hand, restructuring Davis' contract USED cap room this season.
Again, the restructuring the Cowboys did -- Romo and Davis -- was done to create cap room NEXT season. They Cowboys DID NOT need to create any cap room in order to complete any of the contracts they recently gave out or to sign all of their draft picks. They already had more than enough.
As far as Ware and Hamlin, Ware won't be a free agent until 2010. And if that's an uncapped year, he'll be just a restricted free agent. And giving Hamlin a big new contract could create even more cap room this season.
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Originally Posted by tr1
The pukes had to give Newman and Barber a raise this year, or they'd be GONE next year. That FORCED the puke to restructure Romo and Davis...two guys whose ink on their contracts had barely dried from last year.
You guys thrive on semantics. The fact is, if the restructures didn't happen, there was no way the pukes would keep Newman and Barber happy.
That's absolutely false. Giving Barber and Newman new contracts used up a net $1,146,583. The Cowboys already had a cap cushion of more than that, not to mention that extending Terrell Owens' contract opened up another $2.945 million.
And as I've said several times, restructuring Davis' contract COST the Cowboys $750,000 of cap room this season, so they certainly weren't "forced" to restructure his contract.
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Originally Posted by bubba9497
If the Pokes restructured even though they didn't have to to accomplish what they wanted to do.... that would make them pretty **** stupid
Again, the restructurings were done to MAXIMIZE their cap room next season. Unless the CBA is extended before next March, cap room next year will be at a premium because of the 30 Percent Rule and other rules (such as the LTBE/NLTBE rule and the no-June-2 rule). Because of the opt-out, the day the Cowboys restructured the contracts of Romo and Davis (pushing cap charges from 2008 and 2009 into 2010 and beyond) was the last day teams could structure contracts that way.
Now, teams can't use that mechanism to create cap room in 2009, and any new contracts, restructurings or renegotiations that extend into 2010 must follow those rules that restrict how contracts are structured in 2009 and beyond.
It's not stupid to take advantage of a mechanism that allows you to create cap room this season and next season -- especially if next season ends up being the final year of the cap (not likely, but still possible).
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You mean RESTRUCTURING Owens' contract...don't you?
No, restructuring is changing how money is paid in a contract without changing the length of the contract or the amount of the contract. In other words, the length stays the same and the amount stays the same, the only thing "restructured" is when money is paid or how it is paid.
Owens' contract was set to expire after the 2008 season. The Cowboys gave him more money just in a signing bonus than he was due to earn this season and extended his contract through 2011. That's a contract extension, not a restucturing.
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The fact is, to keep Barber and Newman, the pukes were FORCED to restructure.
That's absolutely false.
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Originally Posted by tr1
You're trying to make us believe that there was a possibility Jerruh would have extended Barber and Newman and left no cap for next year....but he CHOSE not to.
Nonsense.
Have you understood ANYTHING in this thread?
Extending Barber and Newman without restructuring Romo and Davis WOULD NOT have "left no cap" in 2009. It would have left more than $11 million of cap room -- not even including the contracts that automatically void (which will add another $5.7 million of cap room). Since when is $16.7 million of cap room -- or even $11 million -- a small amount? That's more than enough, especially considering that the only starters who aren't already signed for 2009 are Marc Colombo, Ken Hamlin, Chris Canty and Zach Thomas (if his contract voids). And that doesn't even take into account any leftover cap room from this season that will be pushed into 2009.
DO THE MATH. It's not complicated
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Originally Posted by tr1
I did the Ware math.
Ware won't be a free agent until 2010.
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There's a reason Jerruh did the restructuring...I guess you think it was just for kicks.
I already said why. He wanted to maximize the Cowboys' cap room this season and next. That's why.
You're trying to claim that the Cowboys had to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman, which is absolutely ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by tr1
Which means that Jerruh will want him locked up as soon as this season is over.
He doesn't HAVE to lock him up after this season. He's already under contract for 2009. If he wants to, he can. Or he can wait until after the 2009 season.
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Especially with the new rules coming down the pike.
The new rules already are here, which is why I said he probably will wait until the CBA is resolved. If there's no CBA extension, the Cowboys can wait to re-sign Ware in an uncapped season. If the CBA is extended before the 2010 league year, then those new rules likely go back to the old rules (depending on whether the new CBA changes anything).
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Do you really think this doesn't come into play during the negotiation of the restructure?
Like I said, I've NEVER seen a restructuring involve the payment of money that previously had been nonguaranteed incentives. If you want to pretend it comes into play, feel free.
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Originally Posted by Waldo da Magnificent
We know, we know. You cannot do basic math. You cannot follow a timeline of player signings, cap deadlines and restructures. You repeatedly change the subject and show no ability to follow a linear conversation.
It's hilarious watching his argument repeatedly change after he's been proven wrong.
First he claimed Dallas wouldn't have resigned Flozell Adams unless Romo restructured first. (Fact: Adams resigned almost three months before Romo restructured.)
Then he claimed signing Barber and Newman "forced" the Cowboys to restructure Romo and Davis. (Fact: The Cowboys would have had plenty of cap room for Barber and Newman, this season and next, even if Romo and Davis had never restructured.)
Then he claimed signing Barber and Newman without restructuring Romo and Davis would have "eaten up ALL of the cap for next year." (Fact: Even without Romo and Davis restructuring, the Cowboys would be more than $11 million under the projected 2009 cap right now -- not including the $5.7 million more they'll get from automatically voided contracts, the extra cap room pushed forward or any other moves that will save cap room).
Now his whole argument is based on Jerry Jones needing cap room in 2009 because he WANTS to re-sign Ware an entire year before Ware is scheduled to become a RESTRICTED free agent in an UNCAPPED year.
(Fact: If Jerry does WANT to re-sign Ware next season, he could give him the biggest contract ever for a linebacker and STILL have plenty of cap room left.)
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Originally Posted by tr1
Adams resigning left the pukes $4 million below the cap...or in puke fan speak, cap ***.
Since when is $4 million of cap room and every starter already either signed or tendered being in cap trouble?
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His signing along with the tenders to Barber, set up the restructures...but don't take my word for it, take cowboys.com's:
"Luis Dominguez, Mexico City: With the signings of Flo and Zach Thomas, the tenders issued to Marion Barber, Chris Canty and Joe Berger, and the franchise tag on Ken Hamlin, how much money is left to spend? The draft is still far away.
Mickey: It sure is, and maybe not far enough away after the Cowboys basically nailed their salary cap for $12 million to accomplish the above. It's my understanding they only have about $4 million left under the cap once Ferguson passes a physical to make that trade official, and that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft. They will have to clear some more cap space by either restructuring a few contracts or releasing a player or two with escalating base salaries to create some cap space if their accelerated signing bonus don't eat up the gains. The Cowboys just signed their big free agent of the off-season: Flozell Adams. "
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.c...5CCB9148368EFED
Mickey Spagnola has less knowledge about the cap than even you, hard as that might seem to believe. You might as well ask him to explain nuclear physics.
Even you understand that $4 million is far more than enough to "fund their draft," because -- unlike Spagnola -- you understand the Rule of 51 and how it applies to drafted players. Right?
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Barber's and Newman's extensions may have actually taken place right AFTER Romo and Davis' restructures. That's what allowed for those extensions.
"To aid in the re-signing of Pro Bowl running back Marion Barber -- now a starter -- and Pro Bowl cornerback Terence Newman, he reworked his contract, as did right guard Leonard Davis, to free up salary-cap space."
http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/695362.html
You are the only person I know who dosen't think the restructures had anything to do with Barber and Newman. Again, from cowboys.com:
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To help facilitate the signings of Newman and Barber, the Cowboys did create more cap space for this year and next by making slight adjustments to the contracts of quarterback Tony Romo and guard Leonard Davis. Romo basically was paid $12 million in guaranteed money he was scheduled to receive over the next couple of years as signing bonus so the amount could be prorated over the life of the deal and turned some of Davis' base salary for next year into bonus money paid immediately. The moves created $3 million in cap space this year and $8 million next year."
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.c...92831D55243B114
Both of those articles included faulty assumptions by uninformed writers. The article YOU posted at the beginning of this thread refutes the idea that the Cowboys had to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman.
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And now you admit that Jerruh will probably want to sign Ware next year...something you tried to dismiss.
I never said he probably will. I've said all along that he probably will wait until the CBA issue is resolved.
What I said was that IF Jerry WANTS to re-sign Ware, he can do it at any time. He won't HAVE to re-sign him next year, but he certainly can if he wants. He has plenty of cap room to do it, and he'll have plenty afterward.
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when you tell everyone you have a friend who feeds you inside information, well, I just gotta say, bull****.
And you would be completely wrong. If you know PCinOz at all (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/...php?userid=458), ask him whether my information is correct. I've passed on a bunch of Commanders cap and contract information to him over the years. Or ask any of the fans of other teams (or members of the media) who have asked me for information over the years. I guarantee you won't find one who has found my information to be wrong.
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In your world, Jerruh pays guaranteed money for grins and giggles.
I've never said that. He has a purpose for restructuring contracts -- it's just not because he is "forced" to do it, as you claim.
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Originally Posted by tr1
I thought I was done with this thread, but I can't let some of this crap go unchallenged....consider the ego of an fan who thinks he knows more about the pukes and their $$$ than Mickey Spagnola!
YOU know more about the cap than Mickey Spagnola. Seriously. He's clueless about all things salary cap-related. I don't know how many times he said the Cowboys needed to have cap room in order to make their picks in the draft this year, which anyone with even a small amount of knowledge about the cap knows is wrong. And of course, I'm sure you also know WHY that's wrong.
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And, AGAIN, if it was plenty of room, why guarantee money for Romo and Davis?
To get even MORE cap room. How many times does it need to be said? The Cowboys DID NOT have to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman. Anyone who has basic math skills can figure that out.
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Even I understood Spags to say that the $4 was in addition to the rookie pool.
What Mickey said was, "It's my understanding they only have about $4 million left under the cap once Ferguson passes a physical to make that trade official, and that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft. They will have to clear some more cap space by either restructuring a few contracts or releasing a player or two with escalating base salaries to create some cap space if their accelerated signing bonus don't eat up the gains."
And you "understood" that to mean it was in addition to the rookie pool? (It wasn't -- the Cowboys had exactly $3,982,788 of cap room when Mickey wrote that.)
If you "understood" it was in addition to the rookie pool, why would you claim the Cowboys were in cap trouble? An extra $4 million in cap room would be more than enough to add a big-name wide receiver or anyone else the Cowboys wanted.
And if it was in addition to the rookie pool, why would he say "that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft"? Why would he say "they will have to clear some more cap space"?
It's obviously because he doesn't know as much about the cap as you or most other fans.
And of course, you know how the rookie pool and rookie signings affect the salary cap. You know why Mickey is wrong. You just don't want to admit it.
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Here's my guess: you're part of the organization
Wait a minute. A few posts ago, you said I don't have any inside information. Now you think I'm part of the organization?
Which is it? Do I have accurate information or not?
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And, I didn't see ANY RETRACTIONS to these stories. I guess you either didn't inform them they were wrong, or the blew you off. I guess, B.
I don't bother telling them they're wrong. The truth comes out eventually -- such as in the article YOU POSTED at the start of this thread.
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I just did.
Where, in your imagination?
Show ONE example of the cap information I've provided ANY fan of ANY team being wrong. Or show ONE person whom I've provided information who says it was wrong.
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I'm just glad you're not a Skins fan.
Me, too. So at least we agree on one thing.
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I'm sorry, but Spagnola has it right.
He has what right? (What's your version THIS time of what he said?)
Do you think he said the Cowboys were $4 million under the cap on Feb. 29 in addition to the rookie pool (ie., actually more cap room than that, but the rookies would use all but $4 million)?
Or is that $4 million under the cap NOT including the rookies, who would use up some or all of that $4 million when they were signed?
And do you agree with Mickey that every team must have room under the cap -- $295,000 per draft choice -- in order to make each pick during the draft?
If you think Mickey is always correct, your answers to these questions should be obvious. And if you know about the salary cap, you know what the answers really are. So it's up to you to choose between the two.
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Let me ask you, did Romo and Davis restructure BEFORE Barber and Newman signed?
Romo restructured four days earlier, on May 16. Davis restructured the same day, May 20.
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If these were so independent of each other, why has Romo said that he restructured to help get these guys deals done?
He never said that.
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I quoted Cowboys.com and the Dallas Morning News. I haven't seen either of those sources print retractions.
The Dallas Morning News article is the one in the original post, and it refutes what was said in the DallasCowboys.com and Fort Worth Star-Telegram articles you posted.
Funny how the DMN story is also the only one of the three with details of the restructurings (the typo not withstanding).
What you read in the media is not always correct. The fact that you posted articles that contradict each other should make that obvious.
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I do know, that saying the Skins were 'forced' to do something the Pukes 'chose' to do - i.e., restructure to stay competitive by making room to sign players is *****
The Commanders were over the cap and HAD to do something to get under the cap, which meant cutting players and/or restructuring players. They did both. If they hadn't restructured anyone, they would have had to have cut even more players that they, in fact, did not cut. Apparently, those were players they wanted to keep. That's why I said they had to resutructure contracts and/or cut players they wanted to keep.
The Cowboys were never over the cap, so they didn't HAVE to restructure anyone.
See the difference?
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Originally Posted by tr1
Oh, okay....the Skins HAVE to do it...the pukes ELECT to do it.
That's correct. But I suppose you could argue that the Commanders ELECT to do it rather than cut a bunch of players they'd rather keep. But when you're over the cap, you HAVE to do something to get under the cap. When you already have enough cap space, you don't HAVE to do it.
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So the pukes wouldn't have re-signed Flo had Romo not re-structured FIRST?
What are you talking about?
Flozell Adams re-signed on February 28. Romo didn't restructure until May 16.
Unless the Cowboys plan on making another big-name acquisition this offseason, they already had all of the cap room they needed for this season before restructuring Romo's contract.
And they certainly didn't restructure Leonard Davis' contract to create cap room this season, considering that it RAISED his cap number for this season by $750,000. They did it to create even more cap room NEXT season.
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Originally Posted by bubba9497
could the Pokes sign the extensions, resign FloSlo, and their rookies if they didn't restructure contracts?
Yes, they absolutely could. Adams was resigned back in February, as I already explained. Giving extensions to Owens and Barber CREATED cap room this season. On the other hand, restructuring Davis' contract USED cap room this season.
Again, the restructuring the Cowboys did -- Romo and Davis -- was done to create cap room NEXT season. They Cowboys DID NOT need to create any cap room in order to complete any of the contracts they recently gave out or to sign all of their draft picks. They already had more than enough.
As far as Ware and Hamlin, Ware won't be a free agent until 2010. And if that's an uncapped year, he'll be just a restricted free agent. And giving Hamlin a big new contract could create even more cap room this season.
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Originally Posted by tr1
The pukes had to give Newman and Barber a raise this year, or they'd be GONE next year. That FORCED the puke to restructure Romo and Davis...two guys whose ink on their contracts had barely dried from last year.
You guys thrive on semantics. The fact is, if the restructures didn't happen, there was no way the pukes would keep Newman and Barber happy.
That's absolutely false. Giving Barber and Newman new contracts used up a net $1,146,583. The Cowboys already had a cap cushion of more than that, not to mention that extending Terrell Owens' contract opened up another $2.945 million.
And as I've said several times, restructuring Davis' contract COST the Cowboys $750,000 of cap room this season, so they certainly weren't "forced" to restructure his contract.
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Originally Posted by bubba9497
If the Pokes restructured even though they didn't have to to accomplish what they wanted to do.... that would make them pretty **** stupid
Again, the restructurings were done to MAXIMIZE their cap room next season. Unless the CBA is extended before next March, cap room next year will be at a premium because of the 30 Percent Rule and other rules (such as the LTBE/NLTBE rule and the no-June-2 rule). Because of the opt-out, the day the Cowboys restructured the contracts of Romo and Davis (pushing cap charges from 2008 and 2009 into 2010 and beyond) was the last day teams could structure contracts that way.
Now, teams can't use that mechanism to create cap room in 2009, and any new contracts, restructurings or renegotiations that extend into 2010 must follow those rules that restrict how contracts are structured in 2009 and beyond.
It's not stupid to take advantage of a mechanism that allows you to create cap room this season and next season -- especially if next season ends up being the final year of the cap (not likely, but still possible).
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Originally Posted by tr1
You mean RESTRUCTURING Owens' contract...don't you?
No, restructuring is changing how money is paid in a contract without changing the length of the contract or the amount of the contract. In other words, the length stays the same and the amount stays the same, the only thing "restructured" is when money is paid or how it is paid.
Owens' contract was set to expire after the 2008 season. The Cowboys gave him more money just in a signing bonus than he was due to earn this season and extended his contract through 2011. That's a contract extension, not a restucturing.
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The fact is, to keep Barber and Newman, the pukes were FORCED to restructure.
That's absolutely false.
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Originally Posted by tr1
You're trying to make us believe that there was a possibility Jerruh would have extended Barber and Newman and left no cap for next year....but he CHOSE not to.
Nonsense.
Have you understood ANYTHING in this thread?
Extending Barber and Newman without restructuring Romo and Davis WOULD NOT have "left no cap" in 2009. It would have left more than $11 million of cap room -- not even including the contracts that automatically void (which will add another $5.7 million of cap room). Since when is $16.7 million of cap room -- or even $11 million -- a small amount? That's more than enough, especially considering that the only starters who aren't already signed for 2009 are Marc Colombo, Ken Hamlin, Chris Canty and Zach Thomas (if his contract voids). And that doesn't even take into account any leftover cap room from this season that will be pushed into 2009.
DO THE MATH. It's not complicated
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Originally Posted by tr1
I did the Ware math.
Ware won't be a free agent until 2010.
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There's a reason Jerruh did the restructuring...I guess you think it was just for kicks.
I already said why. He wanted to maximize the Cowboys' cap room this season and next. That's why.
You're trying to claim that the Cowboys had to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman, which is absolutely ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by tr1
Which means that Jerruh will want him locked up as soon as this season is over.
He doesn't HAVE to lock him up after this season. He's already under contract for 2009. If he wants to, he can. Or he can wait until after the 2009 season.
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Especially with the new rules coming down the pike.
The new rules already are here, which is why I said he probably will wait until the CBA is resolved. If there's no CBA extension, the Cowboys can wait to re-sign Ware in an uncapped season. If the CBA is extended before the 2010 league year, then those new rules likely go back to the old rules (depending on whether the new CBA changes anything).
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Do you really think this doesn't come into play during the negotiation of the restructure?
Like I said, I've NEVER seen a restructuring involve the payment of money that previously had been nonguaranteed incentives. If you want to pretend it comes into play, feel free.
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Originally Posted by Waldo da Magnificent
We know, we know. You cannot do basic math. You cannot follow a timeline of player signings, cap deadlines and restructures. You repeatedly change the subject and show no ability to follow a linear conversation.
It's hilarious watching his argument repeatedly change after he's been proven wrong.
First he claimed Dallas wouldn't have resigned Flozell Adams unless Romo restructured first. (Fact: Adams resigned almost three months before Romo restructured.)
Then he claimed signing Barber and Newman "forced" the Cowboys to restructure Romo and Davis. (Fact: The Cowboys would have had plenty of cap room for Barber and Newman, this season and next, even if Romo and Davis had never restructured.)
Then he claimed signing Barber and Newman without restructuring Romo and Davis would have "eaten up ALL of the cap for next year." (Fact: Even without Romo and Davis restructuring, the Cowboys would be more than $11 million under the projected 2009 cap right now -- not including the $5.7 million more they'll get from automatically voided contracts, the extra cap room pushed forward or any other moves that will save cap room).
Now his whole argument is based on Jerry Jones needing cap room in 2009 because he WANTS to re-sign Ware an entire year before Ware is scheduled to become a RESTRICTED free agent in an UNCAPPED year.
(Fact: If Jerry does WANT to re-sign Ware next season, he could give him the biggest contract ever for a linebacker and STILL have plenty of cap room left.)
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Originally Posted by tr1
Adams resigning left the pukes $4 million below the cap...or in puke fan speak, cap ***.
Since when is $4 million of cap room and every starter already either signed or tendered being in cap trouble?
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His signing along with the tenders to Barber, set up the restructures...but don't take my word for it, take cowboys.com's:
"Luis Dominguez, Mexico City: With the signings of Flo and Zach Thomas, the tenders issued to Marion Barber, Chris Canty and Joe Berger, and the franchise tag on Ken Hamlin, how much money is left to spend? The draft is still far away.
Mickey: It sure is, and maybe not far enough away after the Cowboys basically nailed their salary cap for $12 million to accomplish the above. It's my understanding they only have about $4 million left under the cap once Ferguson passes a physical to make that trade official, and that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft. They will have to clear some more cap space by either restructuring a few contracts or releasing a player or two with escalating base salaries to create some cap space if their accelerated signing bonus don't eat up the gains. The Cowboys just signed their big free agent of the off-season: Flozell Adams. "
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.c...5CCB9148368EFED
Mickey Spagnola has less knowledge about the cap than even you, hard as that might seem to believe. You might as well ask him to explain nuclear physics.
Even you understand that $4 million is far more than enough to "fund their draft," because -- unlike Spagnola -- you understand the Rule of 51 and how it applies to drafted players. Right?
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Barber's and Newman's extensions may have actually taken place right AFTER Romo and Davis' restructures. That's what allowed for those extensions.
"To aid in the re-signing of Pro Bowl running back Marion Barber -- now a starter -- and Pro Bowl cornerback Terence Newman, he reworked his contract, as did right guard Leonard Davis, to free up salary-cap space."
http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/695362.html
You are the only person I know who dosen't think the restructures had anything to do with Barber and Newman. Again, from cowboys.com:
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To help facilitate the signings of Newman and Barber, the Cowboys did create more cap space for this year and next by making slight adjustments to the contracts of quarterback Tony Romo and guard Leonard Davis. Romo basically was paid $12 million in guaranteed money he was scheduled to receive over the next couple of years as signing bonus so the amount could be prorated over the life of the deal and turned some of Davis' base salary for next year into bonus money paid immediately. The moves created $3 million in cap space this year and $8 million next year."
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.c...92831D55243B114
Both of those articles included faulty assumptions by uninformed writers. The article YOU posted at the beginning of this thread refutes the idea that the Cowboys had to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman.
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And now you admit that Jerruh will probably want to sign Ware next year...something you tried to dismiss.
I never said he probably will. I've said all along that he probably will wait until the CBA issue is resolved.
What I said was that IF Jerry WANTS to re-sign Ware, he can do it at any time. He won't HAVE to re-sign him next year, but he certainly can if he wants. He has plenty of cap room to do it, and he'll have plenty afterward.
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when you tell everyone you have a friend who feeds you inside information, well, I just gotta say, bull****.
And you would be completely wrong. If you know PCinOz at all (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/...php?userid=458), ask him whether my information is correct. I've passed on a bunch of Commanders cap and contract information to him over the years. Or ask any of the fans of other teams (or members of the media) who have asked me for information over the years. I guarantee you won't find one who has found my information to be wrong.
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In your world, Jerruh pays guaranteed money for grins and giggles.
I've never said that. He has a purpose for restructuring contracts -- it's just not because he is "forced" to do it, as you claim.
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I thought I was done with this thread, but I can't let some of this crap go unchallenged....consider the ego of an fan who thinks he knows more about the pukes and their $$$ than Mickey Spagnola!
YOU know more about the cap than Mickey Spagnola. Seriously. He's clueless about all things salary cap-related. I don't know how many times he said the Cowboys needed to have cap room in order to make their picks in the draft this year, which anyone with even a small amount of knowledge about the cap knows is wrong. And of course, I'm sure you also know WHY that's wrong.
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And, AGAIN, if it was plenty of room, why guarantee money for Romo and Davis?
To get even MORE cap room. How many times does it need to be said? The Cowboys DID NOT have to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman. Anyone who has basic math skills can figure that out.
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Even I understood Spags to say that the $4 was in addition to the rookie pool.
What Mickey said was, "It's my understanding they only have about $4 million left under the cap once Ferguson passes a physical to make that trade official, and that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft. They will have to clear some more cap space by either restructuring a few contracts or releasing a player or two with escalating base salaries to create some cap space if their accelerated signing bonus don't eat up the gains."
And you "understood" that to mean it was in addition to the rookie pool? (It wasn't -- the Cowboys had exactly $3,982,788 of cap room when Mickey wrote that.)
If you "understood" it was in addition to the rookie pool, why would you claim the Cowboys were in cap trouble? An extra $4 million in cap room would be more than enough to add a big-name wide receiver or anyone else the Cowboys wanted.
And if it was in addition to the rookie pool, why would he say "that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft"? Why would he say "they will have to clear some more cap space"?
It's obviously because he doesn't know as much about the cap as you or most other fans.
And of course, you know how the rookie pool and rookie signings affect the salary cap. You know why Mickey is wrong. You just don't want to admit it.
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Here's my guess: you're part of the organization
Wait a minute. A few posts ago, you said I don't have any inside information. Now you think I'm part of the organization?
Which is it? Do I have accurate information or not?
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And, I didn't see ANY RETRACTIONS to these stories. I guess you either didn't inform them they were wrong, or the blew you off. I guess, B.
I don't bother telling them they're wrong. The truth comes out eventually -- such as in the article YOU POSTED at the start of this thread.
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I just did.
Where, in your imagination?
Show ONE example of the cap information I've provided ANY fan of ANY team being wrong. Or show ONE person whom I've provided information who says it was wrong.
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I'm just glad you're not a Skins fan.
Me, too. So at least we agree on one thing.
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I'm sorry, but Spagnola has it right.
He has what right? (What's your version THIS time of what he said?)
Do you think he said the Cowboys were $4 million under the cap on Feb. 29 in addition to the rookie pool (ie., actually more cap room than that, but the rookies would use all but $4 million)?
Or is that $4 million under the cap NOT including the rookies, who would use up some or all of that $4 million when they were signed?
And do you agree with Mickey that every team must have room under the cap -- $295,000 per draft choice -- in order to make each pick during the draft?
If you think Mickey is always correct, your answers to these questions should be obvious. And if you know about the salary cap, you know what the answers really are. So it's up to you to choose between the two.
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Let me ask you, did Romo and Davis restructure BEFORE Barber and Newman signed?
Romo restructured four days earlier, on May 16. Davis restructured the same day, May 20.
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If these were so independent of each other, why has Romo said that he restructured to help get these guys deals done?
He never said that.
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I quoted Cowboys.com and the Dallas Morning News. I haven't seen either of those sources print retractions.
The Dallas Morning News article is the one in the original post, and it refutes what was said in the DallasCowboys.com and Fort Worth Star-Telegram articles you posted.
Funny how the DMN story is also the only one of the three with details of the restructurings (the typo not withstanding).
What you read in the media is not always correct. The fact that you posted articles that contradict each other should make that obvious.
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I do know, that saying the Skins were 'forced' to do something the Pukes 'chose' to do - i.e., restructure to stay competitive by making room to sign players is *****
The Commanders were over the cap and HAD to do something to get under the cap, which meant cutting players and/or restructuring players. They did both. If they hadn't restructured anyone, they would have had to have cut even more players that they, in fact, did not cut. Apparently, those were players they wanted to keep. That's why I said they had to resutructure contracts and/or cut players they wanted to keep.
The Cowboys were never over the cap, so they didn't HAVE to restructure anyone.
See the difference?
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This is the unfortunate part of having some media members who don't know much about the salary cap. They state something that's completely wrong -- even something as basic as whether a team needs cap room to make its draft picks -- and some people out there believe it. Tr1 believes the misinformation, even though he also posted an article from the DMN that refutes the misinformation he believes. Of course, he has to keep changing his argument everytime he's proven wrong.
I've gone through a similar thing with Cowboys fans who believe that Roy can't be cut this year because of the salary cap, or that cutting Roy right now would cost us cap room. Some people in the media have written it, so some people believe it. But in reality, it's completely wrong.
I've gone through a similar thing with Cowboys fans who believe that Roy can't be cut this year because of the salary cap, or that cutting Roy right now would cost us cap room. Some people in the media have written it, so some people believe it. But in reality, it's completely wrong.
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AdamJT13;2125560 said:
I've been over there long enough to know that when comes to those two, it really doesn't matter to them. They will do/say anything to get a rise out of you or any Cowboys fan. tr1, for example, will keep coming up with tripe just to keep you going. That's all part of his routine. Don't worry about it, Adam. Even 99% of the ES members know that you know your stuff.
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AdamJT13;2125566 said:
Oh he's aware of his misgivings about this stuff. That I can promise you. But he will just keep coming up with more jibberish just to keep you going. With other posters I've seen him do this to, he keeps going until it really gets ugly and personal. He's basically baits and gets people to step over the boundaries of the ES rules and get themselves banned. Of course, I'd seriously doubt that it would ever go that far. You've built up enough cred around football forums and your word carries a lot of weight. Good luck in any event!
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It is amusing to read, since nobody on that site can lay a glove on Adam, but it's painful, too, since tr1 isn't capable of taking a topic seriously. He's getting all of this good information about the cap and he's just doing his stupid rope-a-dope.
If any Redsk*n fan were capable of taking a poster here that far behind the woodshed, I'd be pm'ing our guy and asking him to stop making an *** of himself--and by extension--this forum, publicly.
If any Redsk*n fan were capable of taking a poster here that far behind the woodshed, I'd be pm'ing our guy and asking him to stop making an *** of himself--and by extension--this forum, publicly.
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AdamJT13;2125566 said:
You kicked his arse Adam, great job!!!
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Pure comedy. The funniest part about the thread is that exposes skins fans insecurities on so many levels.
1. They can't stand the fact that a Cowboy fan is calmly and diligently exposing them without getting frustrated and lured into personal attacks.
2. Without anyone directly attacking Snyder and the skins cap mgmt., they're taking information about the Boys cap situation as a challenge or an insult to how they handle their cap.
1. They can't stand the fact that a Cowboy fan is calmly and diligently exposing them without getting frustrated and lured into personal attacks.
2. Without anyone directly attacking Snyder and the skins cap mgmt., they're taking information about the Boys cap situation as a challenge or an insult to how they handle their cap.