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Weeden seems horrible.
Seems????
Weeden seems horrible.
It's not revisionist, they're trying to justify the complaining. But even during the years the OL was legitimately bad, we were obviously rebuilding it, bringing in a top OL coach and throwing roster spots, high picks, and stop-gap VFAs at the problem. Listening to the complaining was like having a guy explain to you why your not fixing his car the whole time you're actually fixing his car.
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Was waiting for you to show up
A thread with revisionist history galore would be incomplete without you
LMAO! more hedging and revisionism trying to cover up your laughable praise of Costa et. al.
and there was no complaining when they finally started adding worthy OL, just that they did it one player at a time each of the last 4 years. Hello? McFly? ever hear of a window?
LMAO! more hedging and revisionism trying to cover up your laughable praise of Costa et. al.
and there was no complaining when they finally started adding worthy OL, just that they did it one player at a time each of the last 4 years. Hello? McFly? ever hear of a window?
The only thing different this year is a rookie "first round" center, nothing substantial that would warrant optimism given last year's disaster,,, we're all hoping on our long shots to develop into something serviceable, that's all.
EGG, Jun 14, 2013
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/my-p...ll-have-a-serviceable-ol.256938/#post-5100555
Since I was the one who mentioned supporting arguments if your'e going to call somebody revisionist, EGG, here's an example of what I am talking about when I say there was complaining going on the entire time the OL was being rebuilt. This example is one of yours:
That's in regard to the drafting of Frederick, obviously, in 2013. After the hiring of Callahan and after the drafting of Tyron Smith, too. After we'd added Ron Leary in 2012 (he was one of the long shots we were hoping to develop, presumably) and with Doug Free already on the roster. But before the addition of Zack Martin.
Care to change your stance? Let me guess.
Why can't we get a decent backup QB? Weeden isn't going to cut it. The guy is afraid to throw the ball.
Weeden seems horrible.
That quote speaks directly to my complaint that they were adding only 1 quality OL at a time every year. lol at the smugness followed by a reach and a whiff,,,
Tyron 2011
Leary 2012 (and the Leary success was a little lucky, they didn't use major resources for that)
T Fred 2013
Martin 2014
A 2009 first round draft pick just completed his 6th year and his 3rd team. Doesn't inspire confidence.should have signed Josh Freeman off the streets
check down city quote had my laughing and concerned all at the same time
It's not revisionist history at all, it's fact. Our offensive line was really good in 2007 and 2008, they started to decline in 2009. In the 2010 draft we got Dez Bryant early, we changed up the coaching staff, and our offensive line has been a priority since.
It didn't take us a decade to address our offensive line problems. If you believe we should have addressed it in the 2009 (We all know that fiasco) or 2010 draft (Again, we got both Bryant and Lee that year), fine. But let's not exaggerate here.
LMAO! more hedging and revisionism trying to cover up your laughable praise of Costa et. al.
and there was no complaining when they finally started adding worthy OL, just that they did it one player at a time each of the last 4 years. Hello? McFly? ever hear of a window?
I'm sorry, EGG, but that smugness was entirely earned. This is you, complaining about the OL rebuild in the middle of the OL rebuild, after posting immediately above that there was no complaining going on about the rebuild. Downplaying the Frederick selection. Overlooking the Leary addition. Obviously not crediting the play of Free. The only player who had not been added at that point was Martin. And you, personally, were still complaining. Not about the pace of player addition. About the quality of the OL.
Just like I said people were doing in a thread where you're trying to pretend that *I* was the one who had revised my position. I didn't. You did. You were still complaining about the OL in 2013 after the addition of Bill Callahan, Tyron Smith, Ron Leary, and Travis Frederick and with Doug Free already on the roster.
You, sir, need some help with reading comprehension:
"and there was no complaining when they finally started adding worthy OL, just that they did it one player at a time each of the last 4 years. Hello? McFly? ever hear of a window?
Costa and Bernie and company,,, your posts are the damning posts you should feverishly search for, you'll have more luck.
And, yet, your complaint in the post I provided *was* after they first started adding worthy linemen and wasn't about the rate at which we'd been adding players since four of the five current starters were *already on the roster* and you were still complaining. We had Smith, Leary, Free, and Frederick and you were arguing we'd added 'nothing substantial' to the position group that would merit optimism. If that was you not complaining after they'd added worthy OLs, then, yeah, I must have a comprehension problem. I often struggle with comprehending the incomprehensible.
As for my posts, go find them if you want to criticize them. I remember what I wrote, and for the most part, I was right on about the OL from the get-go. Even strolling through the thread I provided there's nothing there I would back down from. Pretty much I was dead on then, and it's been proven to be true, while you're on record complaining about the rebuild and about the Frederick addition after we'd added him just like I'd said, above.
pbbbbst, hog wash! that quote echoes directly to what I said earlier in the thread, consistent and true 2 years later! I often spoke about the "too slow", "incremental progress" and the need for urgency.
The only thing different this year is a rookie first round center,(that was the only OL change) nothing substantial that would warrant optimism given last year's disaster (2012 was a disaster, so was 2013),,, we're all hoping on our long shots to develop into something serviceable(Ron Leary and the rest, thank God for Leary), that's all. (pretty freaking spot on, I'm digging that you dug this up. Good job finding it, bad job understanding the concept.
EGG, Jun 14, 2013
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/my-p...ll-have-a-serviceable-ol.256938/#post-5100555
I think that any time you end up with a QB drafted by Cleveland, you screwed the pooch. If there is any team that is truly gifted at either finding the wrong QB or ruining the guy once he gets there, it's the Browns. They are a QB kiss of death.
I wonder why they signed him to begin with?? waste of money and time.
Who coaches these guys up wade wilson?? lol I dont think he is capable of coaching up a qb to be good.
vaughn should be showing something by now?