History of poor pass defense

[Galian Beast]

Only twice since the Romo era began has this team been in the top half of the league in defensive quarterback rating, and no that isn't cherry picking.

The two years in question? 2007 and 2009. Ranked 5th and 16th respectively. Went 13-3 in 2007, and one a playoff game in 2009.

I don't think this is at all a coincidence at all.

This is a passing league, and we've been awful against QBs. We make 3rd string guys look like Peyton Manning... we make Peyton Manning look like.... well Peyton Manning on steroids...

The idea that Romo could bring us to 48 points in a game and still lose...is a stunning reflection of what our team has been since he has been QB. Just bad enough to lose despite his efforts.

I believe we've seen that Romo has one of the highest QB ratings in games lost in NFL history.

This isn't just about the secondary, or the pass rush, it's the linebackers too. We need to put guys out there that can do their job, whether it is rushing the QB or covering receivers.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And there have been times the pass rush has been good to very good. But the pass defense has generally been awful for the most part.

The worst offenders have been the linebackers and the safeties IMO.

 

[CATCH17]

I think a lot of it has to do with the prototype at safety we look at.

We want the big lumbering safety but I think we would be better off with 2 guys that can cover a lot of ground.

 

[jday]

Only twice since the Romo era began has this team been in the top half of the league in defensive quarterback rating, and no that isn't cherry picking.

The two years in question? 2007 and 2009. Ranked 5th and 16th respectively. Went 13-3 in 2007, and one a playoff game in 2009.

I don't think this is at all a coincidence at all.

This is a passing league, and we've been awful against QBs. We make 3rd string guys look like Peyton Manning... we make Peyton Manning look like.... well Peyton Manning on steroids...

The idea that Romo could bring us to 48 points in a game and still lose...is a stunning reflection of what our team has been since he has been QB. Just bad enough to lose despite his efforts.

I believe we've seen that Romo has one of the highest QB ratings in games lost in NFL history.

This isn't just about the secondary, or the pass rush, it's the linebackers too. We need to put guys out there that can do their job, whether it is rushing the QB or covering receivers.

There is no question there is a corelation. The issue has been Jerry the GM making decisions versus Jerry the owner. Jerry the owner wants to sell tickets and Jerry the GM wants to put together a winning football team. The issue with that is it's easier to sell people players they already know and love, which meant paying players for what they have done and not for what they are capable of doing going into their 30's.

As we have seen over the last few years, however, that Jerry is starting to change. He doesn't seem to be as eager to hand out the stupid contracts to aging vets. But we cannot expect a change for the better by merit of getting younger. This team, in my mind, still has some building to do. But we are at least headed in the right direction.

 

[tecolote]

Only twice since the Romo era began has this team been in the top half of the league in defensive quarterback rating, and no that isn't cherry picking.

I believe we've seen that Romo has one of the highest QB ratings in games lost in NFL history.

This isn't just about the secondary, or the pass rush, it's the linebackers too. We need to put guys out there that can do their job, whether it is rushing the QB or covering receivers.

Last year, in games lost, Payton Manning had a 87 rating, Brady had a 71 and Kaepernick 46.

Tony Romo had a 104.5 rating with 17 tds and 3 ints. In LOSSES. Thats insane. Nobody could win with this team. How can anyone blame Romo.

 

[Galian Beast]

Top 10 QBs last year in QB rating and what their ratings were in games lost


Nick Foles- 86.3
Peyton Manning - 87.6
Josh McCown - 109.6 (doesn't really count)
Philip Rivers - 91.5
Aaron Rodgers - 82.6
Drew Brees 77.6
Russell Wilson - 70.2
Tony Romo - 104.5
Ben Roethlisberger 88.8
Colin Kaepernick - 45.9


McCown doesn't count because he didn't play in all that many games. Romo is in actuality by far the highest on the list. The closest behind him is Rivers, and then Big Ben, and Manning. The reality is that Romo plays lights out, and this team still loses games. If he were on almost any other team, he would have a few rings by now.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Last year, in games lost, Payton Manning had a 87 rating, Brady had a 71 and Kaepernick 46.

Tony Romo had a 104.5 rating with 17 tds and 3 ints. In LOSSES. Thats insane. Nobody could win with this team. How can anyone blame Romo.

Thats a question for the Realists. They do it all the time.

 

[Zordon]

this thread makes me feel guilty.

 

[Gameover]

I blame Romo because his int's have cost us victories.#packers #simple

 

[dstovall5]

Last year, in games lost, Payton Manning had a 87 rating, Brady had a 71 and Kaepernick 46.

Tony Romo had a 104.5 rating with 17 tds and 3 ints. In LOSSES. Thats insane. Nobody could win with this team. How can anyone blame Romo.

Preach brotha, preach! Spread the truth to those that have yet seen the light!

 

[BigStar]

I've said it many o times. The terrible S play is why we never were able to take advantage of the good to great pass rushing squads in recent memory (Ware/Rat in their prime, BJames up the middle for 8, Spencer, Bowen) only to give up 3rd downs or big plays @ the worst times; generally as a result of poor S play or confusion in the secondary as a result. Even the 07/09 seasons had lapses in the secondary but of course not to the extent displayed in the more porous seasons. Had amazing corner play in 09. Man press D and a pass rush to boot. Hard for the Safeties to mess up that dynamic and something we should try to rely on more so if the pass rush is deemed even average. This secondary cannot play Zone as a result of a slow footed Church and inexperience (Wilcox).

 

[Gameover]

Tony's losing QB rating is somewhat misleading.

 

[Coy]

Last year, in games lost, Payton Manning had a 87 rating, Brady had a 71 and Kaepernick 46.

Tony Romo had a 104.5 rating with 17 tds and 3 ints. In LOSSES. Thats insane. Nobody could win with this team. How can anyone blame Romo.

That's insane, wish ESPN or NFLN would show that stat but of course they won't.
Romo chokes, Romo's a loser, The Romo curse = Ratings

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think a lot of it has to do with the prototype at safety we look at.

We want the big lumbering safety but I think we would be better off with 2 guys that can cover a lot of ground.

But really the ILBer's have been awful for the most part vs the pass. Brady James... hold your hand up! Brooking was also horrid.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Only twice since the Romo era began has this team been in the top half of the league in defensive quarterback rating, and no that isn't cherry picking.

The two years in question? 2007 and 2009. Ranked 5th and 16th respectively. Went 13-3 in 2007, and one a playoff game in 2009.

I don't think this is at all a coincidence at all.

This is a passing league, and we've been awful against QBs. We make 3rd string guys look like Peyton Manning... we make Peyton Manning look like.... well Peyton Manning on steroids...

The idea that Romo could bring us to 48 points in a game and still lose...is a stunning reflection of what our team has been since he has been QB. Just bad enough to lose despite his efforts.

I believe we've seen that Romo has one of the highest QB ratings in games lost in NFL history.

This isn't just about the secondary, or the pass rush, it's the linebackers too. We need to put guys out there that can do their job, whether it is rushing the QB or covering receivers.

I posted something regarding our defensive philosophy on another thread. Thus I wanted to shed some light on what messed us up during the 90's defense and the one that we implement today.

Cowboys in the 90s, rotated their dline to have a fresh legs in rushing the passer. This philosophy has been implemented by the Seahawks in winning the superbowl. We started to lose our way when the cap was implemented and talented passrushers like Charles Haley retired and wasn't replaced. We also strayed away from a passrushing, sack the QB mentality when we replaced Jimmy and Wanstedt with Campo and Zimmer. Both Campo and Zimmer gutted our defense and implemented a "bend but don't break" defense which I believe is the basis for our awful defense of today.

Zimmer's defense was then replaced by the 3-4 when Parcells came on board and everyone knows what happened from then on.

I give Marinelli credit and I believe his style of defense is exactly what we need to change up the philosophy and go back to what made us successful on D like the 90s. Bringing pressure to the QB is a must in this passing league and not the "bend but don't break" philosophy which have decimated our defense for many years after Jimmy.

 

[theSHOW]

Only twice since the Romo era began has this team been in the top half of the league in defensive quarterback rating, and no that isn't cherry picking.

The two years in question? 2007 and 2009. Ranked 5th and 16th respectively. Went 13-3 in 2007, and one a playoff game in 2009.

I don't think this is at all a coincidence at all.

This is a passing league, and we've been awful against QBs. We make 3rd string guys look like Peyton Manning... we make Peyton Manning look like.... well Peyton Manning on steroids...

The idea that Romo could bring us to 48 points in a game and still lose...is a stunning reflection of what our team has been since he has been QB. Just bad enough to lose despite his efforts.

I believe we've seen that Romo has one of the highest QB ratings in games lost in NFL history.

This isn't just about the secondary, or the pass rush, it's the linebackers too. We need to put guys out there that can do their job, whether it is rushing the QB or covering receivers.

Better poor pass defense than piss poor pass defense.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Tony's losing QB rating is somewhat misleading.

Thanks for bringing us back to reality and the Realist perspective! For a minute there, some of these guys were going to let the stats have way too much weight.

 

[Galian Beast]

I posted something regarding our defensive philosophy on another thread. Thus I wanted to shed some light on what messed us up during the 90's defense and the one that we implement today.

Cowboys in the 90s, rotated their dline to have a fresh legs in rushing the passer. This philosophy has been implemented by the Seahawks in winning the superbowl. We started to lose our way when the cap was implemented and talented passrushers like Charles Haley retired and wasn't replaced. We also strayed away from a passrushing, sack the QB mentality when we replaced Jimmy and Wanstedt with Campo and Zimmer. Both Campo and Zimmer gutted our defense and implemented a "bend but don't break" defense which I believe is the basis for our awful defense of today.

Zimmer's defense was then replaced by the 3-4 when Parcells came on board and everyone knows what happened from then on.

I give Marinelli credit and I believe his style of defense is exactly what we need to change up the philosophy and go back to what made us successful on D like the 90s. Bringing pressure to the QB is a must in this passing league and not the "bend but don't break" philosophy which have decimated our defense for many years after Jimmy.

Your theory is right, some of your history though isn't.

We actually had a 7th ranked defensive quarterback rating in 2002. I don't think we had horrible defenses through out all these years. In 1999 we had the 5th ranked defense ppg, 3rd the year before that. The cap situation certainly hurt us in the 5-11 years, but that was the draft as well, and the joey galloway trade.

 

[CF74]

Only twice since the Romo era began has this team been in the top half of the league in defensive quarterback rating, and no that isn't cherry picking.

The two years in question? 2007 and 2009. Ranked 5th and 16th respectively. Went 13-3 in 2007, and one a playoff game in 2009.

I don't think this is at all a coincidence at all.

This is a passing league, and we've been awful against QBs. We make 3rd string guys look like Peyton Manning... we make Peyton Manning look like.... well Peyton Manning on steroids...

The idea that Romo could bring us to 48 points in a game and still lose...is a stunning reflection of what our team has been since he has been QB. Just bad enough to lose despite his efforts.

I believe we've seen that Romo has one of the highest QB ratings in games lost in NFL history.

This isn't just about the secondary, or the pass rush, it's the linebackers too. We need to put guys out there that can do their job, whether it is rushing the QB or covering receivers.

Manning was putting up points against a depleted defense. Guess what.. At that time Denver's defense was actually worse.. Romo was lighting up scrubs...
Then they got healthy several games later but our D has been missing since Game 1....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Last year, in games lost, Payton Manning had a 87 rating, Brady had a 71 and Kaepernick 46.

Tony Romo had a 104.5 rating with 17 tds and 3 ints. In LOSSES. Thats insane. Nobody could win with this team. How can anyone blame Romo.

Put me in the group that doesn't believe Romo is the reason why we have had lack of success but that being said, Romo isn't blameless. There have been times where the defense gets a stop and Romo would either take a bad sack, fumble or a pick. That's the name of the game. You can go to any qb in this league and you can see them doing the same thing. I'm pro Romo but i'm definitely not in the group of "Everyone is to blame but Romo" group. He's in on it as well.