History repeating itself?

[Doomsday101]

You've just disrespected that 90's team. Our current team isn't even in the same ballpark as that team. In fact, we probably never see a Cowboys team like that again.

I don't see it as any form of disrespect he is talking about how they are going about rebuilding the team. I don't see where he is comparing Romo to Aikman or Murray to Smith or Dez to Irvin. I do agree it would be hard for any team to have a top ranked QB, WR and RB in the NFL

 

[KJJ]

and Jason year 1 record was not as bad as Jimmy.

Jimmy started with a 3-13 team that he was forced to blow up and start from scratch with. Jimmy would have won more than 8 games that first year had he inherited a top 10 QB, an elite TE and the top pass rusher in the league. Garrett's first year team was loaded compared to the team Jimmy started off with. In 89 the Cowboys were like an expansion team.

I also do not recall Jason getting a sweetheart deal with a Walker type trade where we not only got Minn draft picks plus our own we also could keep players we got from Vikes or cut them loose in exchange for a draft pick. Hell Mike Lynn did a lot to help rebuild the 90's Cowboys.

Garrett didn't need a Walker type trade he didn't take over a 3-13 train wreck like Jimmy did. The team Garrett inherited didn't need to be rebuilt from the ground up that team was picked by many entering the 2010 season to end up in the SB.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jimmy started with a 3-13 team that he was forced to blow up and start from scratch with. Jimmy would have won more than 8 games that first year had he inherited a top 10 QB, an elite TE and the top pass rusher in the league. Garrett's first year team was loaded compared to the team Jimmy started off with. In 89 the Cowboys were like an expansion team.



Garrett didn't need a Walker type trade he didn't take over a 3-13 train wreck like Jimmy did. The team Garrett inherited didn't need to be rebuilt from the ground up that team was picked by many entering the 2010 season to end up in the SB.

1st off you don't know what jimmy would have done had he had this player or that, for anyone to make claims of what could have been is full of it. Unless you have a crystal ball, fact is his offense sucked and so did Dave Shula that is why he was fired.

Only reason Dallas may have looked like an expansion team is because Jimmy was cutting guys loose left and right, he wanted his kind of players in the system and the Walker trade in his 1st season as HC made that very possiable. Add to that he did not have to contend with today FA and salary caps. Again I like Jimmy but situation was very different as was the system that was in place. To a large extent Jason has had to cut loose dead weight some because of the personality of the player some due to cap restrictions. As I said after the 2013 season was over if it were my call I would have fired him, just as Cleveland cut loose Bill Belichick after his 4th season as HC and with a losing record however as well all know he would go on to become a very good HC. I can't say that will or will not be Garrett future since I have no means to see into the future.

 

[jobberone]

I'm surprised the 2007 team didn't go 30+ ppg (I forgot about that squad when I asked)...they must have missed the mark by very little.

29+. That was a SB team that let it get away. Too soft IMO. Also they were a different team in the last 1/4 of the season and into the playoffs. Should have seen it coming. Still should have won that game.

 

[jobberone]

I think they will remain a very good offense for the most part. I just don't think there will be a big improvement.

Why not?

 

[jobberone]

You've just disrespected that 90's team. Our current team isn't even in the same ballpark as that team. In fact, we probably never see a Cowboys team like that again.

I don't think the topic is comparing the two teams but looking at what may be similarities.

 

[KJJ]

1st off you don't know what jimmy would have done had he had this player or that, for anyone to make claims of what could have been is full of it. Unless you have a crystal ball, fact is his offense sucked and so did Dave Shula that is why he was fired.

I know what Jimmy would have done by seeing how he handled players and by watching the 7 wins he got in 1990 from a team that was still a long way off. Had Jimmy started with a Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten and a rookie Dez Bryant there's no doubt he would have won more than 8 games his first year. Jimmy put fear in his players because they knew HE was in charge. The players had to answer to him not Jerry. Jimmy was feared and respected by his players.

Only reason Dallas may have looked like an expansion team is because Jimmy was cutting guys loose left and right, he wanted his kind of players in the system and the Walker trade in his 1st season as HC made that very possible.

Jimmy had to cut guys left and right because Landry left him a crap load of aging washed up players that helped get Landry fired. Jimmy had to rebuild the team from the ground up and needed a quick fix which led to the Walker trade.

As I said after the 2013 season was over if it were my call I would have fired him, just as Cleveland cut loose Bill Belichick after his 4th season as HC and with a losing record however as well all know he would go on to become a very good HC. I can't say that will or will not be Garrett future since I have no means to see into the future.

Belichick was left in a bad situation in Cleveland in 95 with the Browns announcing prior to the season the team would be moving. The Browns went 11-5 the year before but didn't play with any desire or passion in 95 which led to a bad season and Belichicks firing. Belichick was a very successful DC on some SB winning teams with the Giants he showed potential to be a great HC. Jason Garrett was under fire as an OC before Jerry handed him the head coaching job. Garrett's had a QB he should be able to win with he went 5-3 as the interim with old man Kitna. Garrett will never be a good NFL HC I've seen enough to know that.

 

[blindzebra]

You've just disrespected that 90's team. Our current team isn't even in the same ballpark as that team. In fact, we probably never see a Cowboys team like that again.

Go look up that 91 team and then talk.

 

[DallasEast]

Why not?

A) 8-8 seasons
B) No DeMarcus Ware/Henry Melton's knee/Defensive lineman newcomers
C) Brandon Carr getting abused/Morris Claiborne's injuries
D) Jeff Heath's ineffectiveness & J.J. Wilcox's newbie status at safety
E) DeMarco Murray's injuries
F) Tony Romo's interceptions, fumbles
G) Jason Garrett's time management
H) The spectre of Monte Kiffen
I) Other complaints not mentioned
J) All of the above
K) Jerry Jones


Basically, any and everything that occurred prior to this season will happen this year. Predeterminism covers all the bases. Dang it. Used a baseball reference in a football-related reply.

 

[Doomsday101]

I know what Jimmy would have done by seeing how he handled players and by watching the 7 wins he got in 1990 from a team that was still a long way off. Had Jimmy started with a Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten and a rookie Dez Bryant there's no doubt he would have won more than 8 games his first year. Jimmy put fear in his players because they knew HE was in charge. The players had to answer to him not Jerry. Jimmy was feared and respected by his players.



Jimmy had to cut guys left and right because Landry left him a crap load of aging washed up players that helped get Landry fired. Jimmy had to rebuild the team from the ground up and needed a quick fix which led to the Walker trade.



Belichick was left in a bad situation in Cleveland in 95 with the Browns announcing prior to the season the team would be moving. The Browns went 11-5 the year before but didn't play with any desire or passion in 95 which led to a bad season and Belichicks firing. Belichick was a very successful DC on some SB winning teams with the Giants he showed potential to be a great HC. Jason Garrett was under fire as an OC before Jerry handed him the head coaching job. Garrett's had a QB he should be able to win with he went 5-3 as the interim with old man Kitna. Garrett will never be a good NFL HC I've seen enough to know that.

You may have a view you don't know what Jimmy record would have been or not so save BS unless you can see in the future you don't know what may or may not have happened. Fact is we went 1-15 that is reality any other is pure speculation.

Belicheck took over a team that was a couple years removed from playing the AFC Championship and still had a lot of top players still in their mid to late 20's fact is he failed and was fired however he would prove he was a quality HC in NE. I don't know what Garrett will or will not do in the future fact is you don't either instead you spew out your own hate and opinions based on that hate. Only speculation on my part but I have the feeling if Garrett does get this team playing good ball you will somehow find a way to discredit him because this is about your views so nothing Garrett will ever do is going to alter that.

 

[KJJ]

You may have a view you don't know what Jimmy record would have been or not so save BS unless you can see in the future you don't know what may or may not have happened. Fact is we went 1-15 that is reality any other is pure speculation.

Belicheck took over a team that was a couple years removed from playing the AFC Championship and still had a lot of top players still in their mid to late 20's fact is he failed and was fired however he would prove he was a quality HC. I don't know what Garrett will or will not do in the future fact is you don't either instead you spew out your own hate and opinions based on that hate. Only speculation on my part but I have the feeling if Garrett does get this team playing good ball you will somehow find a way to discredit him because this is about your views so nothing Garrett will ever do is going to alter that.

Of course it's pure speculation and I'm speculating that Jimmy would have won more than 8 games with that 2011 team . I'm basing it on the 7 wins he had with a 1990 team that still had a long way to go with a lot of young developing players. The 2011 team had an experienced top 10 QB with the greatest pass rusher in the game and one of the elite TE's at the position. Most of the players on that 2011 team were part of the Cowboys 11-5 playoff team in 09.

As for Belichick he was a very successful coordinator for years and Garrett wasn't. Belichick had the Browns going in the right direction in 94 with an 11-5 playoff season but announcing the team was moving to Baltimore prior to the 95 season took the wind out of the team and the fans. NFLN aired an hour long show on it. It's pretty silly to mention Garrett and Belichick in the same sentence unless you're looking for a laugh.

 

[Doomsday101]

Of course it's pure speculation and I say Jimmy would have won more than 8 games with that 2011 team . I'm basing it on the 7 wins he had with a 1990 team that still had a long way to go with a lot of young developing players. The 2011 team had an experienced top 10 QB with the greatest pass rusher in the game and one of the elite TE's at the position. Most of the players on that 2011 team were part of the Cowboys 11-5 playoff team in 09.

As for Belichick he was a very successful coordinator for years and Garrett wasn't. Belichick had the Browns going in the right direction in 94 with an 11-5 playoff season but announcing the team was moving to Baltimore prior to the 95 season took the wind out of the team and the fans. NFLN aired an hour long show on it. It's pretty silly to mention Garrett and Belichick in the same sentence unless you're looking for a laugh.

Oh please took the air out of them? lol He had 1 good season and yes had more experiance than Jason but none the less he failed in Cleveland and that was with a lot of talent on that team. As for Jason as I said after year 3 I would have fired him but again there is no way to know what Jason will accomplish in his future there are a lot of smart football guys like Jimmy who does think Jason will become a very good HC. That does not make it fact, that is just Jimmy opinion but it is based on what he knows about Jason. Lastly the Belicheck comment has to do more with even an more seasoned HC failed as a 1st time HC you can spin all the fricken excuses you want but fact is he failed in Cleveland.

 

[KJJ]

Oh please took the air out of them? lol He had 1 good season and yes had more experiance than Jason but none the less he failed in Cleveland and that was with a lot of talent on that team. As for Jason as I said after year 3 I would have fired him but again there is no way to know what Jason will accomplish in his future there are a lot of smart football guys like Jimmy who does think Jason will become a very good HC. That does not make it fact, that is just Jimmy opinion but it is based on what he knows about Jason. Lastly the Belicheck comment has to do more with even an more seasoned HC failed as a 1st time HC you can spin all the fricken excuses you want but fact is he failed in Cleveland.

You might want to watch that program on the 95 Browns the next time it aires on NFLN and you'll see how much announcing the move to Baltimore took out of the city of Cleveland and the team. Belichick said the 95 season was unlike any he had ever experienced. Belichick had 2 rings as a DC before he arrived in Cleveland. Parcell's won nothing without Belichick as his DC. The Browns have been around forever and haven't won crap every HC has failed with Cleveland.

They were a snake bit team before Belichick arrived. The Browns are one of the least successful organizations and they remain so today. Cleveland is one of only 4 teams to never reach the SB. It's ridiculous trying to make any comparisons between Garrett and Belichick. Garrett will not accomplish anything in Dallas because the Cowboys are moving farther away from a playoff team much less a SB contender.

 

[Doomsday101]

You might want to watch that program on the 95 Browns the next time it aires on NFLN and you'll see how much announcing the move to Baltimore took out of the city of Cleveland and the team. Belichick said the 95 season was unlike any he had ever experienced. Belichick had 2 rings as a DC before he arrived in Cleveland. Parcell's won nothing without Belichick as his DC. The Browns have been around forever and haven't won crap every HC has failed with Cleveland.

They were a snake bit team before Belichick arrived. The Browns are one of the least successful organizations and they remain so today. Cleveland is one of only 4 teams to never reach the SB. It's ridiculous trying to make any comparisons between Garrett and Belichick. Garrett will not accomplish anything in Dallas because the Cowboys are moving farther away from a playoff team much less a SB contender.

I'm not saying it was not a distraction I'm sure it was but does not change the fact that a talented teams failed along with Belicheck. I might add one thing with Dallas, when any of the triplets missed games Dallas record was not good yet when Dallas loses half of their defensive starters and the starting QB all I hear is injuries are no excuses. Hell Dallas in the 90's only needed 1 our of 3 players hurt and the odds of winning went way down.

 

[KJJ]

I'm not saying it was not a distraction I'm sure it was but does not change the fact that a talented teams failed along with Belicheck. I might add one thing with Dallas, when any of the triplets missed games Dallas record was not good yet when Dallas loses half of their defensive starters and the starting QB all I hear is injuries are no excuses. Hell Dallas in the 90's only needed 1 our of 3 players hurt and the odds of winning went way down.

The Browns moving was a huge distraction. Checkout YouTube you might be able to locate that program it was very interesting. Belichick did have the Browns going in the right direction after the 94 season. Yes he failed in Cleveland as has every Browns HC since. Cleveland has been a graveyard for QB's and HC's. The Cowboys did win some games without Aikman. When they lost him in 89 for 6 games their only win that season came with Walsh at QB. The Cowboys won several games during the 91 season after Aikman went down with Steve Beuerlein at QB including a playoff win on the road in Chicago. They also won an NFC title game with the help of Kosar in relief after Aikman got knocked out.

They struggled winning games without Emmitt because the Cowboys offense revolved around him and the running game. Irvin didn't really miss any full games during the Cowboys SB years and once he was lost after his neck injury in 99 the Cowboys were in decline. The odds of winning were always lower when the Cowboys lost one of their big 3 because everyone was gunning for them. When you're on top of the mountain everyone is looking to knock you off. The one player they couldn't win without was Emmitt because the running game was so critical to the Cowboys success.

 

[Doomsday101]

The Browns moving was a huge distraction. Checkout YouTube you might be able to locate that program it was very interesting. Belichick did have the Browns going in the right direction after the 94 season. Yes he failed in Cleveland as has every Browns HC since. Cleveland has been a graveyard for QB's and HC's. The Cowboys did win some games without Aikman. When they lost him in 89 for 6 games their only win that season came with Walsh at QB. The Cowboys won several games during the 91 season after Aikman went down with Steve Beuerlein at QB including a playoff win on the road in Chicago. They also won an NFC title game with the help of Kosar in relief after Aikman got knocked out.

They struggled winning games without Emmitt because the Cowboys offense revolved around him and the running game. Irvin didn't really miss any full games during the Cowboys SB years and once he was lost after his neck injury in 99 the Cowboys were in decline. The odds of winning were always lower when the Cowboys lost one of their big 3 because everyone was gunning for them. When you're on top of the mountain everyone is looking to knock you off. The one player they couldn't win without was Emmitt because the running game was so critical to the Cowboys success.

Fact is Troy, Mike or Emmitt missed a game and Dallas struggled. Jason team had half the defense missing games and went 8-8 and all I hear is injuries are not an excuse. No doubt a lot revolved around Emmitt but damn you lose as many on defense as Dallas did and your odds of winning become a lot harder. It is not making an excuse it is a fact that you take a lot of injuries where players are not going to return then it becomes extreamly hard to win.

 

[5Stars]

The Browns moving was a huge distraction. Checkout YouTube you might be able to locate that program it was very interesting. Belichick did have the Browns going in the right direction after the 94 season. Yes he failed in Cleveland as has every Browns HC since. Cleveland has been a graveyard for QB's and HC's. The Cowboys did win some games without Aikman. When they lost him in 89 for 6 games their only win that season came with Walsh at QB. The Cowboys won several games during the 91 season after Aikman went down with Steve Beuerlein at QB including a playoff win on the road in Chicago. They also won an NFC title game with the help of Kosar in relief after Aikman got knocked out.

They struggled winning games without Emmitt because the Cowboys offense revolved around him and the running game. Irvin didn't really miss any full games during the Cowboys SB years and once he was lost after his neck injury in 99 the Cowboys were in decline. The odds of winning were always lower when the Cowboys lost one of their big 3 because everyone was gunning for them. When you're on top of the mountain everyone is looking to knock you off. The one player they couldn't win without was Emmitt because the running game was so critical to the Cowboys success.

Yet, Romo has had a HOF running back, a HOF reciever, and he still cannot get it done? Got it...smh

 

[KJJ]

Fact is Troy, Mike or Emmitt missed a game and Dallas struggled. Jason team had half the defense missing games and went 8-8 and all I hear is injuries are not an excuse. No doubt a lot revolved around Emmitt but damn you lose as many on defense as Dallas did and your odds of winning become a lot harder. It is not making an excuse it is a fact that you take a lot of injuries where players are not going to return then it becomes extreamly hard to win.

The Cowboys struggled in some games in which Troy, Mike and Emmitt all played. The bottom line is Garrett is a lousy HC regardless of the injuries the team has had. If it was all about injuries on the defense the Cowboys wouldn't be going through their 3rd DC in as many years.

 

[5Stars]

The Cowboys struggled in some games in which Troy, Mike and Emmitt all played. The bottom line is Garrett is a lousy HC regardless of the injuries the team has had. If it was all about injuries on the defense the Cowboys wouldn't be going through their 3rd DC in as many years.

Well,, lets see here...Romo chokes, Garrett is a lousy HC....and injuries don't count. What a joke!

Those 8 millions online followers of yours must be as simple minded as you! lmao

 

[jnday]

Jimmy did not change much, Shula came in and coached offense, it sucked so he fired him and hired Turner so it was not Jimmy offense. Defense he did the same he delegated to Wannstead and Davis to run the defense. I like Jimmy don't get me wrong but Jimmy really was more about how to get players to play to their ability than any X's and O's. For the most part Barry was the same, it was not his wishbone at OU it was Bud Wilkerson wishbone that Barry stayed with but again as goofy as Barry could be at times he got players to play hard for him.

They both out the players in systems and positions to make plays. To give an example, I can't see Jimmy running a zone coverage scheme when his CB's talents fit man scheme. That is not putting the player in a position where he can make plays as well as should be able to. Jimmy and Barry tried to keep things simple, but he was great at motivating his players. They didn't get into the X's and O's , but they got the most out of their players talents. I sure miss that style of coaching.