History repeating itself?

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There was no upgrades to make a big improvement. Martin won't step in and play at a Pro Bowl level and he shouldn't be expected to as a rookie. Other then Martin, there was no upgrades unless a 5th round rookie WR is considered an upgrade over Austin. I will admit that Austin was overdue to get get his walking papers considering his injuries and level of play, but I think he was still better than any 5th round rookie. Romo may disappoint fans if he doesn't bounce back from his injuries. I don't see the upgrades or talent added to the offense to predict a big improvement. Actually chances are just as good that the offense takes a step back IMO.
 

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The Cowboys struggled in some games in which Troy, Mike and Emmitt all played. The bottom line is Garrett is a lousy HC regardless of the injuries the team has had. If it was all about injuries on the defense the Cowboys wouldn't be going through their 3rd DC in as many years.
It's not all about injuries. We changed our defense and they didn't want Ryan running the new defense.
 

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There was no upgrades to make a big improvement. Martin won't step in and play at a Pro Bowl level and he shouldn't be expected to as a rookie. Other then Martin, there was no upgrades unless a 5th round rookie WR is considered an upgrade over Austin. I will admit that Austin was overdue to get get his walking papers considering his injuries and level of play, but I think he was still better than any 5th round rookie. Romo may disappoint fans if he doesn't bounce back from his injuries. I don't see the upgrades or talent added to the offense to predict a big improvement. Actually chances are just as good that the offense takes a step back IMO.


Wow! You are a Dallas Cowboy fan....I always thought you were a Commander troll. Hey, way to root for the Cowboys!!
 

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Anyone else seeing some similarities in how this team is put together and the 91 Cowboys?

QB...check

Running game...check

OL becoming a strength...check

Explosive receivers...check

A young and fast defense with something to prove...check

If we get that wave on the DL working I can easily see 11-5 and a couple of playoff games.

No.
 

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Wow! You are a Dallas Cowboy fan....I always thought you were a Commander troll. Hey, way to root for the Cowboys!!

darn that guy and the way he sees things, doesnt he know we are all supposed to see things the same way?
 

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Jimmy started with a 3-13 team that he was forced to blow up and start from scratch with. Jimmy would have won more than 8 games that first year had he inherited a top 10 QB, an elite TE and the top pass rusher in the league. Garrett's first year team was loaded compared to the team Jimmy started off with. In 89 the Cowboys were like an expansion team.



Garrett didn't need a Walker type trade he didn't take over a 3-13 train wreck like Jimmy did. The team Garrett inherited didn't need to be rebuilt from the ground up that team was picked by many entering the 2010 season to end up in the SB.

The Cowboys have been rebuilding this team look at the turn over
 

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Yes it was, as we all know quotes are frequently used to illustrate something else.

i wont argue that, but I think it was he had more respect for the center play and how many of us realized Fred would be the awesome pick he turned out to be in just one year. Heres to hoping Martin follows the new trend Dallas embraced with lineman starting with Tyron. I think all cowboy fans can get behind that.
 

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The Cowboys have been rebuilding this team look at the turn over

Rebuilding? Looks like they're tearing the team down. The Cowboys looked a lot better on paper 3 years ago than they do now. Each 8-8 team has looked a little shakier than the one before. A lot of the players from the last good team the Cowboys had in 09 are gone. Even the players they had in 2010 were capable of winning 5 of their last 8 games including a win over a Peyton Manning led Colts team when Jerry had them playing for their jobs. That team went 5-3 with their backup QB. The defense keeps getting worse with every player change the Cowboys make. Just look how bad the secondary and front 7 look now compared to a few years ago.
 

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There were a lot of under performing older aged players on the cowboys.
In 2011 the CBA contract came into effect.
It was was past time to start rebuilding this team.
In fact if there is a gripe it should be that the Cowboys waited too long
to acquire new fresh talent not that they should have hold on to to old
under performing guys . Particularly the offensive line.
 

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There was no upgrades to make a big improvement. Martin won't step in and play at a Pro Bowl level and he shouldn't be expected to as a rookie. Other then Martin, there was no upgrades unless a 5th round rookie WR is considered an upgrade over Austin. I will admit that Austin was overdue to get get his walking papers considering his injuries and level of play, but I think he was still better than any 5th round rookie. Romo may disappoint fans if he doesn't bounce back from his injuries. I don't see the upgrades or talent added to the offense to predict a big improvement. Actually chances are just as good that the offense takes a step back IMO.

Maybe not. I see it differently. I think the OL will benefit at least from the extra competition as well as seasoning of Fred, Leary, Mack, Weems and Parnell. I think Martin will push. He moves better than I thought. He will be a horse. It will be tough for Leary to keep him out of the lineup. Fred did not play stellar pass blocking last year to be nice.

RB should be better with Dunbar back and seasoned some. One of the new guys should be valuable even if just depth.

Escobar will be improved. He and the RBs will benefit from Linehan.

WR will be slightly improved with the additions.

DL will be better with the addition of Melton and McClain. Add Lawrence to replace an injured Ware and hopefully get Spencer back and that's a better unit.

Not sure about LB. Maybe ok. Just not sure.

CB will be improved by playing to their strengths esp Carr.

Church has a year more and either Wilcox or Johnson will be an improvement.

How much improved remains to be seen but they will better on offense for sure and probably enough on Defense to make life interesting.
 

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Wow! You are a Dallas Cowboy fan....I always thought you were a Commander troll. Hey, way to root for the Cowboys!!

I am not going lie to myself just so I can be a bigger fan than others. I have never seen a fanbase do a 180 about their attitude towards losing like cowboys fans have. Not only do they accept losing , they embrace it.
 

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I am not going lie to myself just so I can be a bigger fan than others. I have never seen a fanbase do a 180 about their attitude towards losing like cowboys fans have. Not only do they accept losing , they embrace it.

Cowboy fans...cry babies...X
 

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Cowboy fans...cry babies...X

Yeah, I see you take losing like a man. Supporting and defending losing while sugar-coating the reasons why, is not my style. I can't understand how this once proud fanbase has accepted and embraced losing considering the long history of winning by this team. I could understand it if you didn't know better, but we are not Browns or Bengals fans. We know how it feels to be winners, or at least the older fans do.
 

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I am not going lie to myself just so I can be a bigger fan than others. I have never seen a fanbase do a 180 about their attitude towards losing like cowboys fans have. Not only do they accept losing , they embrace it.

I truly wonder if some of these people are just young teenagers who were either too young to remember or not born yet for the early 90's glory years and definitely for the 70's glory years? Do they accept mediocrity because it is all they have ever known as Cowboy's fans? Us old timers expect more!!!!!!;)
 

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I truly wonder if some of these people are just young teenagers who were either too young to remember or not born yet for the early 90's glory years and definitely for the 70's glory years? Do they accept mediocrity because it is all they have ever known as Cowboy's fans? Us old timers expect more!!!!!!;)

The team could and should be better. That is my problem with the whole organization. You are right, these young fans don't realize that the Cowboys were contenders every year. They could/should be now. The standards and expectations have dropped until we are like Browns fans. The fanbase accepts moral victories and all of this "progress" that does not result in wins. I can't understand why. There are some older fans that know better. They remember the glory days, but will defend this mess until the bitter end. The crazy thing about it is that posters that refuse to accept the poor product on the field are labeled as trolls, negative or have their fandom questioned. Three straight years of 8-8 football is nothing to be proud of.
 

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Yeah, I see you take losing like a man. Supporting and defending losing while sugar-coating the reasons why, is not my style. I can't understand how this once proud fanbase has accepted and embraced losing considering the long history of winning by this team. I could understand it if you didn't know better, but we are not Browns or Bengals fans. We know how it feels to be winners, or at least the older fans do.

Your problem is that you live in a world of absolutes, just like every other "realist."

If we aren't in Go-Go-Gadget Bash Mode like you are 24/7, then you automatically think that we think things are honky-dory.

Well I've got news for you, there is this thing called "logic & reason." Most of us "happy fans" on your absurdly mis-guided spectrum actually subscribe to that.

Just because we try to take an actual realistic approach to our fandom and analysis of our favorite team doesn't make us "sunshine Susan's" or whatever fun term you used to denigrate the fanbase the other day. It makes you a pessimist.

Time to broaden your scope.
 

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Fact is Troy, Mike or Emmitt missed a game and Dallas struggled. Jason team had half the defense missing games and went 8-8 and all I hear is injuries are not an excuse. No doubt a lot revolved around Emmitt but damn you lose as many on defense as Dallas did and your odds of winning become a lot harder. It is not making an excuse it is a fact that you take a lot of injuries where players are not going to return then it becomes extreamly hard to win.
It would be foolish to conclude otherwise.

Jimmy was no doubt a great coach but he wasn't a miracle worker, which is indicative of his stint with the Dolphins. There are plenty of great coaches that failed to win a championship for one reason or another. A lot has to go right besides the Xs and Os to win especially in this era of football.

If we have reasonable health and Red doesn't have a winning season with a playoff birth then he should be fired but if we experience another injury plagued season like last year it will be up in the air, imo. The fair thing to do would be to give him another shot but the not for long doesn't do fair.
 

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It would be foolish to conclude otherwise.

Jimmy was no doubt a great coach but he wasn't a miracle worker, which is indicative of his stint with the Dolphins. There are plenty of great coaches that failed to win a championship for one reason or another. A lot has to go right besides the Xs and Os to win especially in this era of football.

If we have reasonable health and Red doesn't have a winning season with a playoff birth then he should be fired but if we experience another injury plagued season like last year it will be up in the air, imo. The fair thing to do would be to give him another shot but the not for long doesn't do fair.

As I said as soon as the season ended I would have likely fired him but when people start saying injuries do not matter it does and they do. Dallas was not very successful when 1 of the 3 triplets missed games we are talking 3 players yet when almost half of the starting defense and critical backups were injured last season people holler injury are no excuse
 
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