Hmmm... interesting... Romo the 'Choke Artist'

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I don't know if this has been posted before, but on the Yahoo! Sports page, you can review a players situational statistics.

Tony Romo - Late & Close games--

QB Rating- 114.7
Comp/Att- 25 of 39
% Comp- 64.1
Yds- 334
TD- 4
INT- 1

Choke Artist. Amirite?
 

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He's always been good in the 4th quarter.

December.... uhhhhhhhhh. Not so much.
 

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187beatdown;2924527 said:
He's always been good in the 4th quarter.

December.... uhhhhhhhhh. Not so much.

That will be the frustration of this season...if the team starts 12-0, everyone will be saying.."Yeah but..." and to a degree, it'll be valid.
 

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187beatdown;2924527 said:
He's always been good in the 4th quarter.

December.... uhhhhhhhhh. Not so much.

He has been less than stellar during December. But that doesn't make him a choke artist. It makes our offense unconditioned.

Here are his December stats:

QB Rating- 71.9
Comp/Att- 262 of 445
Comp %- 58.9
Yds- 2995
TD- 14
INT- 19
 

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Juke99;2924531 said:
That will be the frustration of this season...if the team starts 12-0, everyone will be saying.."Yeah but..." and to a degree, it'll be valid.

It really is weird. It's not his toughness, he's got plenty of that. Maybe it was T.O., I don't know. Even when the team knows at 12-1 they have a playoff spot locked up everyone looked horrid. I don't think it's the "pressure" of December.

I'm not a believer that December is so different from any other, so I'm personally baffled.
 

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187beatdown;2924535 said:
It really is weird. It's not his toughness, he's got plenty of that. Maybe it was T.O., I don't know. Even when the team knows at 12-1 they have a playoff spot locked up everyone looked horrid. I don't think it's the "pressure" of December.

I'm not a believer that December is so different from any other, so I'm personally baffled.

I see that and agree that Romo's stats are less than stellar in december in year's past so I am not releasing him of ANY of the blame, but watching those same games, it just appears this whole team plays without heart and like they are overwhelmed. They seem to play as if they are all saying "ah we will get the next play".

I think people are unfairly laying all the blame on Romo when more of it needs to be placed on the whole team and the coaches for letting them get away with it.
 

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RW Hitman;2924621 said:
I think people are unfairly laying all the blame on Romo when more of it needs to be placed on the whole team and the coaches for letting them get away with it.

yep.

plus, its not only the current romo team...the previous teams december records are bad. december curse maybe?
 

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B4 a lot of the current players, the Cowboys had problems in december... you cant blame Romo for the culture but to be on the level of a Manning or Brady, Romo has to be one of the main reasons that culture has changed!
 

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In 2006 the rest of the league figured out how to score at will against the vanilla Parcells 3-4.

In 2007 a team that locked everything up got cocky and lazy...

...And that continued into all of 2008.

Let's see what happens this year.
 

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sureletsrace;2924532 said:
He has been less than stellar during December. But that doesn't make him a choke artist. It makes our offense unconditioned.

Here are his December stats:

QB Rating- 71.9
Comp/Att- 262 of 445
Comp %- 58.9
Yds- 2995
TD- 14
INT- 19

This clearly shows that we need to run the ball better this year. In December , beacuse of weather and also injuries passing game will be less than stellar. over dependence on passing game will be a mistake.
 

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nalam;2924692 said:
This clearly shows that we need to run the ball better this year. In December , beacuse of weather and also injuries passing game will be less than stellar. over dependence on passing game will be a mistake.

Look at who we played last Dec. It's no mystery why offensive production dipped.
 

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Idgit;2924696 said:
Look at who we played last Dec. It's no mystery why offensive production dipped.

Baltimore game was lost by the defense, hands down. Not Romo.

Philly game - the entire team quit because they have no heart or guts.
 

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Another interesting fact...

I use Romo's stats loosely here, I feel it is a closer indication of how we produce as an offense rather than using a RB or WR's stats. Here is how Romo fares in certain weather conditions:

Cold (21-40 degrees)

QB Rating- 41.8
26 of 52 for 296 yds, 1TD, 4INT

Mild (41-60 degrees)

QB Rating- 84.7
285 of 461 for 3519 yds, 24TD, 20INT

Warm (61-80 degrees)

QB Rating- 101.8
293 of 454 for 4061 yds, 33TD, 17INT

Hot (80+ degrees)

QB Rating- 100.4
126 of 200 for 1477 yds, 14TD, 4INT

Interesting stuff, huh?
 

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sureletsrace;2924787 said:
Another interesting fact...

I use Romo's stats loosely here, I feel it is a closer indication of how we produce as an offense rather than using a RB or WR's stats. Here is how Romo fares in certain weather conditions:

Cold (21-40 degrees)

QB Rating- 41.8
26 of 52 for 296 yds, 1TD, 4INT

Mild (41-60 degrees)

QB Rating- 84.7
285 of 461 for 3519 yds, 24TD, 20INT

Warm (61-80 degrees)

QB Rating- 101.8
293 of 454 for 4061 yds, 33TD, 17INT

Hot (80+ degrees)

QB Rating- 100.4
126 of 200 for 1477 yds, 14TD, 4INT

Interesting stuff, huh?

This is interesting. Its almost as though bad weather adversely effects the passing game. Good find.

Anyway, I think these stats show that under Romo our team has been accustomed to Romo bailing them out at the end of games. Bailing out their stupid mistakes. Bailing out their league leading penalties. Bailing out their missed blocking assignments. Bailing out their dropped passes. Bailing out their missed coverages. Romo's success rate on 3rd and long is ridiculos compared to league average. It's not surprising that in the playoffs and against tougher teams in the playoffs and late December, in bad weather, that Romo can't bail them out anymore. I'm not saying Romo is flawless. Yes, he needs to take care of the ball better (but its almost impossible to not rack up tons of turnovers when you're constantly asked to fling the ball all over the field against nickel and dime defenses because you're always in 3rd and long situations). He also could start the game at a higher level (his 1st Quarter splits are not good) so we could get more early leads. But at the end of the day Romo covers and masks way more problems with this team than he contributes.

In fact, I'm all for us playing a more conservative and ground control game and taking some of the pressure off of Romo. I just wonder if Wade's defense, which was 20th in the NFL in points allowed per game, has shown me any reason to believe they can handle the added responsibility of that kind of philosophy change. I get a bad feeling by December it's going to be all-Romo, all-the-time again.
 

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InmanRoshi;2924839 said:
This is interesting. Its almost as though bad weather adversely effects the passing game. Good find.

Anyway, I think these stats show that under Romo our team has been accustomed to Romo bailing them out at the end of games. Bailing out their stupid mistakes. Bailing out their league leading penalties. Bailing out their missed blocking assignments. Bailing out their dropped passes. Bailing out their missed coverages. Romo's success rate on 3rd and long is ridiculos compared to league average. It's not surprising that in the playoffs and against tougher teams in the playoffs and late December, in bad weather, that Romo can't bail them out anymore. I'm not saying Romo is flawless. Yes, he needs to take care of the ball better (but its almost impossible to not rack up tons of turnovers when you're constantly asked to fling the ball all over the field against nickel and dime defenses because you're always in 3rd and long situations). He also could start the game at a higher level (his 1st Quarter splits are not good) so we could get more early leads. But at the end of the day Romo covers and masks way more problems with this team than he contributes.

In fact, I'm all for us playing a more conservative and ground control game and taking some of the pressure off of Romo. I just wonder if Wade's defense, which was 20th in the NFL in points allowed per game, has shown me any reason to believe they can handle the added responsibility of that kind of philosophy change. I get a bad feeling by December it's going to be all-Romo, all-the-time again.

I totally agree with your point on Romo, but you're maligning the defense unfairly when you rank them based off of points scored but don't tip your hat to the special teams play and the turnover differential that put them in a position to fail more than it should have last year.
 

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CowboyMike;2924680 said:
In 2006 the rest of the league figured out how to score at will against the vanilla Parcells 3-4.

In 2007 a team that locked everything up got cocky and lazy...

...And that continued into all of 2008.

Let's see what happens this year.

Pretty much the reasons why I don't get carried away with blind enthusiasm anymore. I'll still try to watch the games if I can because I love football but I'm not going to live or die over what one team does or does not do. Life's too short to get all hung up over things that don't really affect my personal life anyway.
 

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I watched Romo play a helluva game against the Giants last year in December when he was taking a beating. The other QB (Eli Dilfer) also took a beating and folded (but he's a "winner" - whatever). Romo played well enough to win in both playoff games, but the team didn't come through. Romo hurt us against the Steelers last year and that is one of the very few games I've watched that HE was a major reason we lost.
We've had some tough endings (Pitt and Balt last year) in Dec. and in both playoff games.
Lack of depth hurt us last year and players like Crayton, Reeves and Fasano killed us in that Giants playoff game. The Seattle thing was bizarre. Do you remember the Glenn fumble in our endzone? We also played 4 of the top 5 defenses last December. No QB was going to put up huge numbers against those teams (not an excuse - just reality). If he gets reasonable protection, the D and special teams do their jobs, and receivers don't drop critical passes, somehow (miraculously) Romo will no longer be a "choker".
 

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Dude, that post makes way too much sense to post on a fanboard.The accuracy will cause it to be completely ignored.

BIGDen;2924947 said:
I watched Romo play a helluva game against the Giants last year in December when he was taking a beating. The other QB (Eli Dilfer) also took a beating and folded (but he's a "winner" - whatever). Romo played well enough to win in both playoff games, but the team didn't come through. Romo hurt us against the Steelers last year and that is one of the very few games I've watched that HE was a major reason we lost.
We've had some tough endings (Pitt and Balt last year) in Dec. and in both playoff games.
Lack of depth hurt us last year and players like Crayton, Reeves and Fasano killed us in that Giants playoff game. The Seattle thing was bizarre. Do you remember the Glenn fumble in our endzone? We also played 4 of the top 5 defenses last December. No QB was going to put up huge numbers against those teams (not an excuse - just reality). If he gets reasonable protection, the D and special teams do their jobs, and receivers don't drop critical passes, somehow (miraculously) Romo will no longer be a "choker".
 

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BIGDen;2924947 said:
I watched Romo play a helluva game against the Giants last year in December when he was taking a beating. The other QB (Eli Dilfer) also took a beating and folded (but he's a "winner" - whatever). Romo played well enough to win in both playoff games, but the team didn't come through. Romo hurt us against the Steelers last year and that is one of the very few games I've watched that HE was a major reason we lost.
We've had some tough endings (Pitt and Balt last year) in Dec. and in both playoff games.
Lack of depth hurt us last year and players like Crayton, Reeves and Fasano killed us in that Giants playoff game. The Seattle thing was bizarre. Do you remember the Glenn fumble in our endzone? We also played 4 of the top 5 defenses last December. No QB was going to put up huge numbers against those teams (not an excuse - just reality). If he gets reasonable protection, the D and special teams do their jobs, and receivers don't drop critical passes, somehow (miraculously) Romo will no longer be a "choker".

Very good post, to the point and very true.

last line is very true with fans and how they think and is obvious when you read some of posters here on this forum. Just have to remember that the QB is The Team...
 
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