Honestly, if D. Henson had a game like this would there be as much 'guarded optimism'

[TruBlueCowboy]

I'm not saying Romo should be the starter. I'm not trying to pick a QB fight. I just think it's odd how everyone has such 'guarded optimism' with Tony Romo after all the crazy QB battles in these forums over the years, and our continued efforts to hype unprepared QBs as the next great thing.

It's funny how I read so many threads on our 2nd round draft pick, Quincy Carter, on our supposed diamond in the rough Chad Hutchinson, on the rebirth of Ryan Leaf, on Drew Henson's fabled return to football, and I can't believe there isn't more booyah hype for Tony Romo.

It's almost as if people don't know how to react when the guy they were never hyping all along is the one who suddenly looks the most capable since Aikman of actually being a longterm starter.

It's only fitting and all goes back to Landry's theory on QBs. We were trying to rush these fellas before they were ready. Quincy Carter looked lost in his first game against the Bucs (so lost!) but we were still ready to annoint him the next QB. Drew Henson never looked capable of QBing in the pros in his first game, yet we were convinced it was some Parcells conspiracy. : Chad Hutchinson looked pitiful every game of his rookie year. A deer in the headlights if there ever was one. It's the guy who has sat on the bench for several seasons, quietly learning the offense and the pros, solidly producing in training camp after training camp, who finally looks like a possible homegrown QB. Funny how things work out.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Optimism? Yes. As much? No, because Henson has not played as well as Romo is past preseasons, and has been given a real shot, whereas Romo had not.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Optimism? Yes. As much? No, because Henson has not played as well as Romo is past preseasons, and has been given a real shot, whereas Romo had not.

I understand what you mean after several disappointing starts but if Henson had done this last year, before he travelled to NFL Europe... if he had such a spectacular "march the troops down the field" type game as Romo, you can't tell me there wouldn't be a hundred or more threads on this board in the next few days proclaiming the "Drew Henson Era" had arrived.

 

[Henson Domination]

There would not have been as much optimism for a couple of reasons, IMO.

First, Henson is 'supposed' to have more potential than Romo, so it would kinda be like he's just trying to meet expectations.

Secondly, Henson has been quite inconsistent from game to game, so there would have been less people saying "he can start now" type stuff. More people would be giving a "wait til next game" approach because he is more likely to stink up the next game than Romo is. Henson could have played last game just as well as Romo, no doubt. However, Romo will string together 3 good games and Henson would probably give a good game and 2 average games, at this point in his career.

 

[rcaldw]

I think you and Heavy Hitta are preaching to the choir. You both support Romo in a way unrivaled by any Henson support.

The fact is, if you really want your answer, that if Drew Henson had played the exact same game as Romo last night there would be your 20 or so vocal Henson haters on this board shooting down his performance in a way no one has done with Tony Romo.

I like Drew Henson STILL as a football player and believe he has a future, yet I am happy for Tony Romo and thought he looked very good last night.

The Romo fanatics on the other hand don't give Drew Henson an ounce of credit for anything he does right and absolutely bury him with sarcasm and mindless arguments that all reveal you want him to fail.

So there is your answer. You may not like it, but its the truth.

Exhibit A: Last Saturday's scrimmage Henson was 12-16 for 159 yards and a TD, and led his group on 2 TD drives. Almost identical numbers to Romo last night except he did it against our 2nd and 3rd teamers not Seattle's.

Were either one of you on this board talking positively about Henson? Did you post ONE POSITIVE THING about his performance? Did you express that this made you hopeful?

Case closed.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I think you and Heavy Hitta are preaching to the choir. You both support Romo in a way unrivaled by any Henson support.

The fact is, if you really want your answer, that if Drew Henson had played the exact same game as Romo last night there would be your 20 or so vocal Henson haters on this board shooting down his performance in a way no one has done with Tony Romo.

I like Drew Henson STILL as a football player and believe he has a future, yet I am happy for Tony Romo and thought he looked very good last night.

The Romo fanatics on the other hand don't give Drew Henson an ounce of credit for anything he does right and absolutely bury him with sarcasm and mindless arguments that all reveal you want him to fail.

So there is your answer. You may not like it, but its the truth.

Exhibit A: Last Saturday's scrimmage Henson was 12-16 for 159 yards and a TD, and led his group on 2 TD drives. Almost identical numbers to Romo last night except he did it against our 2nd and 3rd teamers not Seattle's.

Were either one of you on this board talking positively about Henson? Did you post ONE POSITIVE THING about his performance? Did you express that this made you hopeful?

Case closed.

Nah, I'm not a Romo worshipper. I try to stay out of the QB battles. That's why this is all the more noticeable to me. After skipping so many 100+ reply threads about Quincy vs. Hutch, Henson vs. anyone, Delhomme should be signed, and so on, I'm a little mystified that no one has really jumped onboard the Romo bandwagon. : Bledsoe had a good season last year until the offensive line injuries, so I guess there's isn't as much controversy when you know there is at least one QB already in place who can get the job done.

 

[BigDFan5]

The fact is, if you really want your answer, that if Drew Henson had played the exact same game as Romo last night there would be your 20 or so vocal Henson haters on this board shooting down his performance in a way no one has done with Tony Romo.

 

[Juke99]

Fact of the matter is, Henson came in with the "pedigree"...Romo didn't

So, I think he's going to have to do more to prove that this game was the real thing.

 

[rcaldw]

Nah, I'm not a Romo worshipper. I try to stay out of the QB battles. That's why this is all the more noticeable to me. After skipping so many 100+ reply threads about Quincy vs. Hutch, Henson vs. anyone, Delhomme should be signed, and so on, I'm a little mystified that no one has really jumped onboard the Romo bandwagon. : Bledsoe had a good season last year until the offensive line injuries, so I guess there's isn't as much controversy when you know there is at least one QB already in place who can get the job done.

Battle is obviously for number 2 position? What battle? You ever seen a battle for number 2 result in one guy playing the ENTIRE game?

The guy has played for several years now. Some of you folks chose to focus on the baseball player instead of him.

I guess you have to be drafted high or attend a big name college football program before fans take you serious. Can't believe there are people chiming in to knock Romo. The guy looked good! Probabably looked better than ANY young QB we've knocked out in the preseason since Aikman! Funny how it happened. It all goes back to Landry and his theory on QBs. We were hyping guys like Carter, Hutchinson, and Henson who were all rushed before their time and from big pedigree, when it all goes back to Landry, and the guy who had 3 years to prepare is suddenly the one who looks so darn good.

It's not just this game.

It's what I saw last year too.

The guy just has "it."

Those instincts (that moxie ).

The ability to play when the pocket is collapsing.

It's just one preseason game. It's just one drive.

Most of Seattle's defense is gone.

But I think we have a good QB on our hands.

Not at all! No offense, but you're either a blind Henson homer or don't understand the game.

Have you seen some of his pics. He has some great shots of receivers catching the ball, defenders making some great plays, and the way he does it is by reading the QB's eyes just like the defenders so he can figure out where to get the camera quickly.

IMO, he's just saying it like it is. Henson is easy to read. When the cameraman can read his eyes that easy, you KNOW the defensive backs can too!

I'm not saying you are a Romo worshipper, you seem to be measured in your posts compared to many others on here. But just going back through about 7 pages of your past posts I can't find one positive thing about Henson and yet these comments about Romo.

WHICH IS FINE. If you really believe that Romo is the deal, that is fine and you SHOULD state it. All I was saying is that if you think that the Henson haters wouldn't have shot down his performance last night (had it been the same performance) or that they would have even been as fair with him as I think most of us have been with Romo, then you haven't paid attention to the Henson haters.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I'm not saying you are a Romo worshipper, you seem to be measured in your posts compared to many others on here. But just going back through about 7 pages of your past posts I can't find one positive thing about Henson and yet these comments about Romo.

WHICH IS FINE. If you really believe that Romo is the deal, that is fine and you SHOULD state it. All I was saying is that if you think that the Henson haters wouldn't have shot down his performance last night (had it been the same performance) or that they would have even been as fair with him as I think most of us have been with Romo, then you haven't paid attention to the Henson haters.

I guess there's no way I can say this without looking like a Henson hater, but truthfully, I thought Henson's career was over the day they announced him to NFL Europe. I gave up on him that day, although I still watched some of his games and cheered for him to succeed.

I know the "he needs experience" defense, and I know guys like Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme came from NFL Europe, but when you start your career with such high pedigree, you aren't supposed to take a tour in NFL Europe. That's where unnoticed backups try to learn the ropes, and hope an NFL team offers them an opportunity, it's not for guys who had open tryouts with half the NFL attending.

 

[rcaldw]

I guess there's no way I can say this without looking like a Henson hater, but truthfully, I thought Henson's career was over the day they announced him to NFL Europe. I gave up on him that day, although I still watched some of his games and cheered for him to succeed.

I know the "he needs experience" defense, and I know guys like Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme came from NFL Europe, but when you start your career with such high pedigree, you aren't supposed to take a tour in NFL Europe. That's where unnoticed backups try to learn the ropes, and hope an NFL team offers them an opportunity, it's not for guys who had open tryouts with half the NFL attending.

Well, I would have completely agreed with you in the past. I guess the reason I thought differently about it in this case is I thought it might be a Bill Parcells thing. That is, Parcells was not going to play his young QB's any meaningful time, so at least this way Henson gets game action.

I have to seriously wonder after watching last night. I don't mean that I wonder if Henson can play, because based on what I've seen, including NFL Europe, I think he can. What I have come to believe is that Bill Parcells truly doesn't like the guy. No matter what he says. I can see giving Romo the superior playing time if you have chosen him as your backup. No problem. I can see starting him, given those circumstances, in the first pre-season game. No problem. It has probably been 14 years since a guy started and finished an opening pre-season game.

I have never seen anything like it and I just can't see how we can be left with any thought but that Parcells almost goes out of his way to murder this guy's (Henson's) confidence. Before the game we are told that Romo will go about 3 Quarters. Henson holds for a kick.

I know it may seem hard to believe, even though I've said it. I will be happy if Tony Romo turns out to be our guy. I truly will. Having said that, I don't think anyone deserves to be treated the way that Henson has. It is almost like Parcells goes out of his way to ruin him. His public responses to Henson's Europe work were just ridiculous in my opinion and didn't even have to be shared.

Unless this is some Big Bill Jedi trick, I think he owes it to Henson to release him and let him try somewhere else.

 

[theogt]

To answer the question: No, the optimism wouldn't have been as guarded. That's the difference between a highly touted prospect and an undrafted free agent.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Well, I would have completely agreed with you in the past. I guess the reason I thought differently about it in this case is I thought it might be a Bill Parcells thing. That is, Parcells was not going to play his young QB's any meaningful time, so at least this way Henson gets game action.

I have to seriously wonder after watching last night. I don't mean that I wonder if Henson can play, because based on what I've seen, including NFL Europe, I think he can. What I have come to believe is that Bill Parcells truly doesn't like the guy. No matter what he says. I can see giving Romo the superior playing time if you have chosen him as your backup. No problem. I can see starting him, given those circumstances, in the first pre-season game. No problem. It has probably been 14 years since a guy started and finished an opening pre-season game.

I have never seen anything like it and I just can't see how we can be left with any thought but that Parcells almost goes out of his way to murder this guy's (Henson's) confidence. Before the game we are told that Romo will go about 3 Quarters. Henson holds for a kick.

I know it may seem hard to believe, even though I've said it. I will be happy if Tony Romo turns out to be our guy. I truly will. Having said that, I don't think anyone deserves to be treated the way that Henson has. It is almost like Parcells goes out of his way to ruin him. His public responses to Henson's Europe work were just ridiculous in my opinion and didn't even have to be shared.

Unless this is some Big Bill Jedi trick, I think he owes it to Henson to release him and let him try somewhere else.

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Playing devil's advocate, I think Parcells treats a lot of players like that, folks just notice it because Henson is such a high profile prospect.

Come on now, this is Bill Parcells, how often do you hear him give glowing praise to players in training camp? For years, with Roy Williams of all people, the only comment was "I keep telling not to be a JAG." After Julius' successful late rookie surge, all he could say was it takes a special running back NOT to get hurt. When you finally prove yourself, Bill will give you the respect, but you've gotta earn it. None of this "I should be respected because of my pedigree or where I was drafted" junk flies with Big Bill.

 

[rcaldw]

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Playing devil's advocate, I think Parcells treats a lot of players like that, folks just notice it because Henson is such a high profile prospect.

Come on now, this is Bill Parcells, how often do you hear him give glowing praise to players in training camp? For years, with Roy Williams of all people, the only comment was "I keep telling not to be a JAG." After Julius' successful late rookie surge, all he could say was it takes a special running back NOT to get hurt. When you finally prove yourself, Bill will give you the respect, but you've gotta earn it. None of this "I should be respected because of my pedigree or where I was drafted" junk flies with Big Bill.

Well, your last comment, "I should be respected because of my pedigree or where I was drafted", when have you ever seen or heard that from Henson?

Just the opposite. He volunteers to go to Europe because he wants to improve.

Why shoot a guy like that down? Makes zero sense to me. If you don't think he can play for you, fine, but why go out of your way to humiliate him?

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Well, your last comment, "I should be respected because of my pedigree or where I was drafted", when have you ever seen or heard that from Henson?

Just the opposite. He volunteers to go to Europe because he wants to improve.

Why shoot a guy like that down? Makes zero sense to me. If you don't think he can play for you, fine, but why go out of your way to humiliate him?

You misunderstand me. I was responding to your opinion, not Henson. You stated that Henson is not treated fairly and that Bill seems to go out of his way to degrade him, and I think that you're just holding him to a higher standard and somehow thinking that he should be untouchable when in fact Bill is treating him like he does every other new guy, from 1st rounder to undrafted rookie free agent.

 

[Kangaroo]

I'm not saying Romo should be the starter. I'm not trying to pick a QB fight. I just think it's odd how everyone has such 'guarded optimism' with Tony Romo after all the crazy QB battles in these forums over the years, and our continued efforts to hype unprepared QBs as the next great thing.

It's funny how I read so many threads on our 2nd round draft pick, Quincy Carter, on our supposed diamond in the rough Chad Hutchinson, on the rebirth of Ryan Leaf, on Drew Henson's fabled return to football, and I can't believe there isn't more booyah hype for Tony Romo.

It's almost as if people don't know how to react when the guy they were never hyping all along is the one who suddenly looks the most capable since Aikman of actually being a longterm starter.

It's only fitting and all goes back to Landry's theory on QBs. We were trying to rush these fellas before they were ready. Quincy Carter looked lost in his first game against the Bucs (so lost!) but we were still ready to annoint him the next QB. Drew Henson never looked capable of QBing in the pros in his first game, yet we were convinced it was some Parcells conspiracy. : Chad Hutchinson looked pitiful every game of his rookie year. A deer in the headlights if there ever was one. It's the guy who has sat on the bench for several seasons, quietly learning the offense and the pros, solidly producing in training camp after training camp, who finally looks like a possible homegrown QB. Funny how things work out.

I never thought Chad was a good signing and I never thought Cryin Ryan would be reborn in Dallas and I had my doubts about henson 3 years is a long long layoff for football

 

[Hostile]

I'm not saying Romo should be the starter. I'm not trying to pick a QB fight. I just think it's odd how everyone has such 'guarded optimism' with Tony Romo after all the crazy QB battles in these forums over the years, and our continued efforts to hype unprepared QBs as the next great thing.

It's funny how I read so many threads on our 2nd round draft pick, Quincy Carter, on our supposed diamond in the rough Chad Hutchinson, on the rebirth of Ryan Leaf, on Drew Henson's fabled return to football, and I can't believe there isn't more booyah hype for Tony Romo.

It's almost as if people don't know how to react when the guy they were never hyping all along is the one who suddenly looks the most capable since Aikman of actually being a longterm starter.

It's only fitting and all goes back to Landry's theory on QBs. We were trying to rush these fellas before they were ready. Quincy Carter looked lost in his first game against the Bucs (so lost!) but we were still ready to annoint him the next QB. Drew Henson never looked capable of QBing in the pros in his first game, yet we were convinced it was some Parcells conspiracy. : Chad Hutchinson looked pitiful every game of his rookie year. A deer in the headlights if there ever was one. It's the guy who has sat on the bench for several seasons, quietly learning the offense and the pros, solidly producing in training camp after training camp, who finally looks like a possible homegrown QB. Funny how things work out.

I'm going to ask some questions to answer this question. Please do not take offense to this because it isn't meant to offend. It is meant to get some to finally just be honest about what is happening.

Do some of you really not understand that there are widely divergent views about every player on the team? You come here every day and read the opinions here. Why is it so hard to grasp that people don't all think exactly alike?

Is every opinion on Tony Romo exactly alike? We're a bunch of vanilla think alike clones of each other? Is this what people really want? You want every person on this forum to think exactly as you do?

I confess, I don't understand this concept. I don't want to either.

There are people on this forum who think Tony Romo is the next Tom Brady or Brett Favre. There are people on this forum who think that once he faces live ammo he'll fold like a tent. There are people on this forum who want to see what he can become. There are some people on this forum who want him traded.

Deal with it already. Accept it for what it is.

These same broad varietly of opinions exist for Drew Henson, Drew Bledsoe and every other living, breathing player on this team.

Stop being all butt sore when people don't see the same promise in a player that you do. Debate it with them if you disagree, but for the love of all that's decent drop the mock shock and indignation that someone has the temerity to think differently than you do.

I don't want all of you thinking like me. Have the nads to have your own thoughts and if you disagree with mine, challenge me on them. Don't get all drama queen up in arms when I challenge you right back, because I damn well am going to do exactly that. If you can't stand the roar of the big guns don't pull the freaking trigger.

Is this really too much to ask?

 

[fortdick]

I still get the feeling that Romo is up for trade. Everyone said that when Shanle started the game. "Bill is showcasing him for trade bait." I think the same could be true of Romo. If they liked what they saw from Henson in NFLE, and the scrimmage, that makes Romo expendable. He isn't starting this year, and Henson is a year behind in the development phase. Next year, Henson will have to prove himself. Next year we will be looking for a starting QB. The year following at the latest.

I just have a feeling they are trying to sell Romo's potential as a starter too hard, especially with his contract coming due. If they know he "has it" why give him to negotiating power? What would you do if offered a second for him? What if you could get a first for him and Ellis? Or him and Shanle?

Something ain't right with all this. Parcells is a poker player, and he isn't going to put all his chips in one Romo. JMHO.

 

[rcaldw]

I'm going to ask some questions to answer this question. Please do not take offense to this because it isn't meant to offend. It is meant to get some to finally just be honest about what is happening.

Do some of you really not understand that there are widely divergent views about every player on the team? You come here every day and read the opinions here. Why is it so hard to grasp that people don't all think exactly alike?

Is every opinion on Tony Romo exactly alike? We're a bunch of vanilla think alike clones of each other? Is this what people really want? You want every person on this forum to think exactly as you do?

I confess, I don't understand this concept. I don't want to either.

There are people on this forum who think Tony Romo is the next Tom Brady or Brett Favre. There are people on this forum who think that once he faces live ammo he'll fold like a tent. There are people on this forum who want to see what he can become. There are some people on this forum who want him traded.

Deal with it already. Accept it for what it is.

These same broad varietly of opinions exist for Drew Henson, Drew Bledsoe and every other living, breathing player on this team.

Stop being all butt sore when people don't see the same promise in a player that you do. Debate it with them if you disagree, but for the love of all that's decent drop the mock shock and indignation that someone has the temerity to think differently than you do.

I don't want all of you thinking like me. Have the nads to have your own thoughts and if you disagree with mine, challenge me on them. Don't get all drama queen up in arms when I challenge you right back, because I damn well am going to do exactly that. If you can't stand the roar of the big guns don't pull the freaking trigger.

Is this really too much to ask?

Hehe, bravo. I agree with you. Good post.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I'm going to ask some questions to answer this question. Please do not take offense to this because it isn't meant to offend. It is meant to get some to finally just be honest about what is happening.

Do some of you really not understand that there are widely divergent views about every player on the team? You come here every day and read the opinions here. Why is it so hard to grasp that people don't all think exactly alike?

Is every opinion on Tony Romo exactly alike? We're a bunch of vanilla think alike clones of each other? Is this what people really want? You want every person on this forum to think exactly as you do?

I confess, I don't understand this concept. I don't want to either.

There are people on this forum who think Tony Romo is the next Tom Brady or Brett Favre. There are people on this forum who think that once he faces live ammo he'll fold like a tent. There are people on this forum who want to see what he can become. There are some people on this forum who want him traded.

Deal with it already. Accept it for what it is.

These same broad varietly of opinions exist for Drew Henson, Drew Bledsoe and every other living, breathing player on this team.

Stop being all butt sore when people don't see the same promise in a player that you do. Debate it with them if you disagree, but for the love of all that's decent drop the mock shock and indignation that someone has the temerity to think differently than you do.

I don't want all of you thinking like me. Have the nads to have your own thoughts and if you disagree with mine, challenge me on them. Don't get all drama queen up in arms when I challenge you right back, because I damn well am going to do exactly that. If you can't stand the roar of the big guns don't pull the freaking trigger.

Is this really too much to ask?

Damnit, would you stop being the voice of reason!