How bad is Jerry Jones?

[RastaRocket]

Anthony Spencer listed under the failed or semi failed list?

lol.

I will never understand the hate he gets.

 

[Clove]

Let's end this. How long was Parcells' here? 4 years? 17 years of trash minus 4 years equals 13 years of trash. Not to mention, Parcells wasn't here before when we couldn't do anything, and hasn't been here since.

If you want to build this team, lose out and get top pick, get a future QB. From there, it's a lot easier to build a franchise around a great QB. A Great QB Romo is not.
EDIT: My only problem is, if we did get the top pick and a great QB was there, Jerry would find himself outsmarting everyone and go against his scouts and pick up another Tight End or something.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I just don't understand those who hate Jerry Jones and think there is no chance of him developing a good product...still buying Cowboys tickets, still buying Cowboys merchandise, and still watching the games on TV.

I can't imagine anybody thinking that he will remove himself from the operations from the team. It's not going to happen until father time removes him permanently.

I think we live in a free country and sports should be no different. I grew up a Knicks fan. Couldn't stand Patrick Ewing, couldn't stand the direction the team went in...stopped being a fan of the team altogether. They were not worth my money, time and passion. Eventually when things turned around, they were worth my money, time and passion.

The same thing happened with Syracuse football. The Chancellor of the school said that Pasqualoni critics should 'get a life.' One of the people working for the booster club got angry when my dad and I were considering giving up season tickets. So eventually we decided to 'get a life' and stopped supporting the program, having season tix (18 year season ticket holders) and stopped watching the game altogether.

And there's nothing stopping people from deciding to root for a different team. I encourage them to do so. I know when I stopped rooting for Syracuse football I started to take a keen interest in Boise State. I don't understand why that is so impossible to think of becoming a Patriots fan or a Ravens fan or a Packers fans.

I think it would be better than to constantly antagonize the fans here who like the front office or have some faith that the organization will win another Super Bowl with Jerry as the owner.







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[erod]

Since your a season ticket holder, that really makes your takes comical about some fans being sheep. Your paying good money to watch the Jerry Jones product. Whose the sheep?

:laugh2:

I like going to the games with my aging father, and the cost is really not a big deal for me. If you want the truth. Not trying to sound arrogant.

Jerry's been a Cowboys fan since 1989. I've been since 1972.

And I've contributed more to the team's success than he has. Sadly.

 

[Doomsday101]

I like going to the games with my aging father, and the cost is really not a big deal for me. If you want the truth. Not trying to sound arrogant.

Jerry's been a Cowboys fan since 1989. I've been since 1972.

And I've contributed more to the team's success than he has. Sadly.

You got 3 rings? :laugh2:

 

[ufcrules1]

Since your a season ticket holder, that really makes your takes comical about some fans being sheep. Your paying good money to watch the Jerry Jones product. Whose the sheep?

:laugh2:

Wow, you were almost on to something there. Do you realize the money a season ticket holder can make on selling the tickets? I will be able to sell my Denver and Greenbay tickets for about $800 to $1000.00 per pair. My cost for the pair = $188.00. Will make great money on most of my tickets except for maybe the St. Louis game where I will at minimum double my money.

So instead of "Your'e paying good money to watch the Jerry Jones product" you could change that to "You're making great money selling the Jerry Jones product".

 

[ufcrules1]

You got 3 rings? :laugh2:

Right, Jerry had everything to do with us getting those 3 rings. :bang2:

 

[Doomsday101]

Right, Jerry had everything to do with us getting those 3 rings. :bang2:

Yes he did, I'm sorry did Jimmy hire himself? Did Jimmy fire Landry to take the job over? Did Jimmy handle one single contract? Get a clue to act as if Jones played no part is blind or just stupid.

So bang your head all you want seems that is the only use you have for your head it sure is hell not thinking

 

[Galian Beast]

The reason why I blame Bill Parcells:

- Was against drafting a QB high, insisted on bringing in low tread QBs (Testaverde, Bledsoe)

Someone said Jerry wouldn't draft a QB high? He drafted Carter in the 2nd round, stop making stuff up. Aikman retired in 2000. We drafted Quincy Carter as high as we possibly could the very next year. Parcells was here two years later and Jerry was still trying to get a QB (traded a 3rd for Henson).

Parcells put us into a position rather than fix up the defense that we should completely convert our scheme to a 3-4. Something the scouts were not adept to, something Zimmer was not adept to. He drove Zimmer out. And yes he did drive Sean Payton out. He stripped him of playing call duties. And he left for greener pastures (How green? The saints... which was a garbage franchise before Payton showed up).

Speaking of which...

Cincinnati Bengal 22
Detroit Lions 21
Kansas City Chiefs 19
Buffalo Bills 17
Cleveland Browns 15
Miami Dolphins 12
Oakland Raiders 10
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10
Tennessee Titans 9
St. Louis Rams 8
Carolina Panthers 7
Washington Commanders 7
Jacksonville Jaguars 5

Nearly half the league is in a playoff win drought.

* Jets haven't won their division in 10 years.

It's because you get a small window to put together a team. Jerry has put together a team, but hasn't been enough to get over the hump. We're in a pretty difficult division, and that plays a factor in first of getting to the playoffs, which greatly factors into your ability to win.

Bill Parcells sunk this team into trying to implement the 3-4. Resources that certainly could have been used to simply shore up what had already been a somewhat successful defense, and perhaps put together a real offense.

Bill Parcells had a 34-30 record as head coach here, and that was mainly due to Zimmers defense in 2003 and Tony Romo's amazing 2006 season.

Jerry probably should have blown this team up, but since 2006 it's pretty much always been in the hunt for the playoffs. You can blame him for that, or you could realize that he wants to win as badly as we do. He could have taken the 49ers approach of sucking for an entire decade, but I don't think you would have been pleased with that approach either.

 

[jjktkk]

Wow, you were almost on to something there. Do you realize the money a season ticket holder can make on selling the tickets? I will be able to sell my Denver and Greenbay tickets for about $800 to $1000.00 per pair. My cost for the pair = $188.00. Will make great money on most of my tickets except for maybe the St. Louis game where I will at minimum double my money.

So instead of "Your'e paying good money to watch the Jerry Jones product" you could change that to "You're making great money selling the Jerry Jones product".

Nice attempt. So do you just come on here to troll, or are you a Cowboys fan? imo, if your the latter, and since your a season ticket holder, I would assume you are, that would make you one of the sheep? So do you prefer grain, or hay?

 

[Idgit]

It also gets old to read these countless excuse making threads for JJ. It works both ways.

This is one that really doesn't work both ways. On one hand, you have people saying Jerry comes with his share of problems, but the team isn't going to change. On the other, you have people who literally think he's the worst GM in the league. It's the middle ground against the worst in the league. Not a lot of sunshine to be pumped there.

 

[Idgit]

And...let's make sure we save the animosity for Jerry Jones here and not let the posts get personal. Jerry Jones threads bring out emotions, and they pretty much invite a backlash against crazy-talk.

It's inevitable, but it can lead to PMs and/or time off from making fun of or defending the team we all love, and nobody wants that.

 

[Galian Beast]

This is one that really doesn't work both ways. On one hand, you have people saying Jerry comes with his share of problems, but the team isn't going to change. On the other, you have people who literally think he's the worst GM in the league. It's the middle ground against the worst in the league. Not a lot of sunshine to be pumped there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Jerry Jones is the best GM in the NFL. I'm simply saying that blaming him for everything or suggesting that he is incompetent or the worst GM in the NFL is really ridiculous and narrow minded.

The NFL just isn't as easy as people think, and we're in one of the toughest divisions in football.

To make the playoffs you either need to win your division or win a wild card spot. If you have to rely on the wild card spot you have a much smaller chance of even making the playoffs.

The reality is that this team was really good, and then it got on it's last legs. People want to blame Jerry for this as well. For driving away Jimmy Johnson... they give Johnson entirely too much credit, and Jones entirely too much blame. They don't want to give Jones any credit for the super bowls won. They've painted quite the narrative and created quite the straw man.

Fact is the salary camp imploded this team. We couldn't sign free agents. Fact is that Jerry Jones took a huge but calculated risk in trying to right the offensive ship not once but twice, and neither played out. Both set the team backwards. These are realities, but they don't make him the worst GM in football. If the Galloway trade had worked out, you could have seen a much different Cowboys team in 2000. If the Roy Williams trade had worked out, maybe we would have been even better than we were in 2007. They were rational moves to make for teams that were on the cusp or falling off the cusp.

I really like what we're doing now. It's a win now mentality, but still suggests building for the future. I think this team is finally going on the right track. That being said, injuries are still a concern, our schedule is still a factor. It is what it is.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

This is easily the worst thread in CZ history and one they will no doubt live in infamy. There is no logical basis behind blaming Parcells for anything. All he did was come in and put together the core that got Dallas as close as its gotten to a Superbowl since 1996. It was Parcells' coaching staff that got us our franchise QB.

This hand-wringing over the switch to 3-4 is ridiculous. Parcells left with plenty of building blocks in place on defense. Problem was GM Jerry never really addressed several key areas, such as inside linebacker or safety, and his cornerbacks were either busts or couldn't stay healthy. These would have been issues whether we were playing 3-4 or 4-3.

And finally, your theory that we could have sucked in 2003 and ended up with Eli Manning is idiotic behind words. Why? First of all, many here would rather have Romo anyway. Secondly, you're attempting to forecast something that didn't happen. Who is to say Jerry doesn't trade our first rounder for a high priced veteran? Or that he decided to give Quincy another year? There is no logical basis behind this argument at all. Pure lunacy.

 

[Hook'em#11]

1997
The offense was starting to fall apart, we tried to replace Jay Novacek with David LaFleur (who would ultimately retire early due to back issues iirc) and finally in 1998 Michael Irvin was forced to retire due to career ending injury.

There is also this idea that Jerry completely ignored the offensive line, which isn't true. Between drafting Aikman and his retirement we drafted a total of 12 "first day" offensive linemen.


1999
In 1999 we weren't a horrible team, but without Irvin, we certainly weren't consistent on offense. We were ranked 11th in points scored and 5th in points allowed.

1999 was Irvin's last year. He got hurt in the 4th game of that season. Dallas was coming into Philly at 3-0. Then he got hurt.

Still sucks..

Jerry is a great owner, just a horrible GM.

I am a fan and will be until I die, no matter what or how bad they infuriate me.

The day the Jones Family is removed from Valley Ranch. The better.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

By the way, I laughed out loud when I saw that the OP blamed the 2009 draft on switching to 3-4 defense and not having the right scouts and coaches to implement it. First of all, the whole idea that scouts can only be knowledgable in one specific type of offensive or defensive system is ridiculous. Second of all, the 2009 draft happened a full six years after we switched to the 34.

If we did not have the right scouts and coaches in place by that point, then that is a failure that falls on the general manager. By the way, we did have the right coaches in place, because Wade Phillips had been head coach for two seasons at that point and his entire coaching staff was a 3-4 staff.

It is these kind of holes in logic that make it really hard to take any of your points seriously.

 

[visionary]

I'm simply saying that blaming him for everything or suggesting that he is incompetent or the worst GM in the NFL is really ridiculous and narrow minded.
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:laugh2: :laugh2:

so the fans should not blame the teams problems on the person who is owner and GM? the person who himself admit that he makes all the decisions and should be held accountable? the fans should not hold him accountable?

who should we blame? the janitor?

jerry is clearly the worst GM in the league because if he got fired today, he would have no shot at any other GM job in the NFL

even the worst of the worst NFL team is competent enough to not hire this idiot as their GM

 

[Trajan]

By the way, I laughed out loud when I saw that the OP blamed the 2009 draft on switching to 3-4 defense and not having the right scouts and coaches to implement it. First of all, the whole idea that scouts can only be knowledgable in one specific type of offensive or defensive system is ridiculous. Second of all, the 2009 draft happened a full six years after we switched to the 34.

If we did not have the right scouts and coaches in place by that point, then that is a failure that falls on the general manager. By the way, we did have the right coaches in place, because Wade Phillips had been head coach for two seasons at that point and his entire coaching staff was a 3-4 staff.

It is these kind of holes in logic that make it really hard to take any of your points seriously.

And even if one excepts that Parcells is to blame, ludicrous as it is, Jerry should shoulder some responsibility for hiring him. I actually give Jerry much credit for that hire, it rejuvenated the team and we still benefit today. Some small part of me thinks that after this Garrett experiment ends, another coach of Parcells caliber will be brought in to pick up the pieces and restore some glimmer to the star.

 

[ufcrules1]

Get a clue to act as if Jones played no part is blind or just stupid.

Where did I say "No" part? There you go putting words in people's mouth again. With that said, he played a very small role in us winning superbowls and has played a massive egotistical role in us being unsuccessful the last 17 years. He should fire himself. He is a horrible owner and even worse GM.

 

[Idgit]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Jerry Jones is the best GM in the NFL. I'm simply saying that blaming him for everything or suggesting that he is incompetent or the worst GM in the NFL is really ridiculous and narrow minded...

Oh, I get what you're saying. This is a 'how bad does that turd really taste' sort of discussion. 'Pretty bad' v. 'Worst Turd Ever,' with the pretty-bad side being the happy fans.

I think the the animosity towards the pretty-bad crowd is amusing in it's overreaction, if anything. Case in point:

This is easily the worst thread in CZ history and one they will no doubt live in infamy...

There have been many worse threads in the history of CZ. Not everything is the Worst Ever. Not Jerry Jones. Not this thread. I feel like I'm in a DirectTv commercial.

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