How bad is the NFC?

[lewpac]

By this logic, the poor should stay poor, the rich should stay rich. I'd use other comparisons, but there'd be a full scale war up in cheer.

Two things.....................

To another poster, there's not a Div. 1 College team that could beat the worst NFL team. The Detroit Lions would utterly DESTROY Florida.

To the above quoted point, I didn't say that and I don't think that.
I DO think that "poor" teams should build and work their way up through the draft, solidarity and continuity. And I don't want to hear how the "small market" teams can't compete.

Before salary caps and parity measures, how do you explain the 70's Steelers? Oakland isn't exactly NY or LA or Chicago, yet they were consistently great for two decades. The Vikings of the late 60's & 70's?? The ultimate example are the Packers of the 60's!! What about the Bills of the early 90's, just before free agency and salary caps were initiated???

Buffalo
Minnesota
Oakland
Pittsburgh
Green Bay

Five of the most storied and successful franchise's in NFL history. All built slowly, keeping the same players and staff for years, and stayed good for a looooooooooong, long time.

Salary caps and free agency were installed just in time to destroy the Cowboys of the 90's. Raped and pillaged and cockroached to pieces by other teams flashing big money.

Players who's team used a valuable draft pick on, coached and trained and payed to teach them to play in the NFL, and just when they become almost inexpendable to a team, the just prostitute themselves away. Is that fair to those teams who invested so much in them? Seems like a rotten deal for owners and teams IMO.

So, "the poor stay poor" and "the rich stay rich"? Not exactly. I'd just like to see it more "earned". Instead, teams get to watch players develop on someone else's dime, and when they're "ready to be plucked", they just swoop in and take the product of someone else's investments and hard work.

 

[DCgirl13]

Ah.................I don't need to "seriously shut my mouth", and I WON'T shut my mouth. I express my opinion any time I damn please.

It's gotten so bad nowadays that we can't even rely upon the "cursed" teams to stink up the joint year in and year out!!! Serious and loyal fans of THE GAME have come to depend upon the Fartinals to suck like clockwork. True, even a broken clock is right once a day (or twice depending upon your interpretation), but not the Cardinals.

Hell, even Seattle stunk up a SB recently. Don't even get me going on Tampa Bay winning one.
And don't embrASS yourself again by using the words "Cowboys" and "Cardinals" in the same breath! I don't care what my Cowboys have or haven't done the last decade or so. The Cardinals should NEVER WIN A SB, just to keep order and balance in the Universe. And even if they ever do, it'll be another 50 years before they get another home playoff game.

I'm hoping my arse off for Pittsburgh to win it all. Then, in the annuls of NFL Champions, there won't be a pimple on the butt of the list by saying something like "Cardinals, SB Winner", or "Eagles, SB Winner". There would be something terribly wrong with a listing of champions with one of those loser teams on it......................

By your logic, if teams that are supposed to "stink it up" every year lost EVERY YEAR, then they wouldn't have any fans and don't deserve to be in the NFL. These teams have every right to finally be good teams and shouldn't just lay an egg by default so your precious team can win every time. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Cowboys, but do you really believe that the Cardinals should just lose so Cowboy fans can be happy.

I don't think so. Every team in the NFL has the same shot to do well as any other team. It's not their fault that the teams that are "supposed" to win, fail miserably.

Sorry that the "Fartinals" didn't live up to your expectations of failing, they are doing what they should be, playing great football.

 

[lewpac]

By your logic, if teams that are supposed to "stink it up" every year lost EVERY YEAR, then they wouldn't have any fans and don't deserve to be in the NFL. These teams have every right to finally be good teams and shouldn't just lay an egg by default so your precious team can win every time. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Cowboys, but do you really believe that the Cardinals should just lose so Cowboy fans can be happy.

I don't think so. Every team in the NFL has the same shot to do well as any other team. It's not their fault that the teams that are "supposed" to win, fail miserably.

Sorry that the "Fartinals" didn't live up to your expectations of failing, they are doing what they should be, playing great football.

Anyone who's "taking up" for the Cardinals is on some "sideways" slide between the ears. So, I'm not even going to give this conversation credit.

Bottom line: Any year that the last two teams standing are the Eggless and the Fartinals, it's a bad year for football. By any standards and by every measure. Dallas doesn't "have to win it all" every year for the NFL to get my respect. This ain't about "Dallas and Arizona", two words that should NEVER be used in the same sentence.

It's about the dignity and the honor of the game and the league. It's embarrassing and shameful that THIS is the best that the NFC could give us. And I'll garun-darn-tee you something right here and right now.......and I want this quoted and stored away by you for next season: The Cardinals will go something like 6-10 next year and miss the playoffs!

THAT, my friend, is the STATE OF THE GAME in this era of salary cap, free agency and other "parity" measures. And THAT, my friend, is a disgrace to the league IMO.......................

 

[5Countem5]

Anyone who's "taking up" for the Cardinals is on some "sideways" slide between the ears. So, I'm not even going to give this conversation credit.

Bottom line: Any year that the last two teams standing are the Eggless and the Fartinals, it's a bad year for football. By any standards and by every measure. Dallas doesn't "have to win it all" every year for the NFL to get my respect. This ain't about "Dallas and Arizona", two words that should NEVER be used in the same sentence.

It's about the dignity and the honor of the game and the league. It's embarrassing and shameful that THIS is the best that the NFC could give us. And I'll garun-darn-tee you something right here and right now.......and I want this quoted and stored away by you for next season: The Cardinals will go something like 6-10 next year and miss the playoffs!

THAT, my friend, is the STATE OF THE GAME in this era of salary cap, free agency and other "parity" measures. And THAT, my friend, is a disgrace to the league IMO.......................

One of the, if not THE, dumbest posts I have ever read...

 

[DCgirl13]

and I want this quoted and stored away by you for next season: The Cardinals will go something like 6-10 next year and miss the playoffs!

Riiiight.....

Just like the Cardinals could not possibly beat Atlanta or Carolina.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm hoping my arse off for Pittsburgh to win it all. Then, in the annuls of NFL Champions, there won't be a pimple on the butt of the list by saying something like "Cardinals, SB Winner", or "Eagles, SB Winner". There would be something terribly wrong with a listing of champions with one of those loser teams on it......................

No way I can pull for Pittsburgh to win its sixth Super Bowl before Dallas does. I'd much rather pull for one of the pimples, preferably Baltimore or Arizona since Philadelphia is more like a pimple that leaves a scar.

 

[5Countem5]

No way I can pull for Pittsburgh to win its sixth Super Bowl before Dallas does. I'd much rather pull for one of the pimples, preferably Baltimore or Arizona since Philadelphia is more like a pimple that leaves a scar.

Absolutely!

I'd rather Arizona win three straight before Pitts wins another.

 

[Audiman]

I'm hoping my arse off for Pittsburgh to win it all. Then, in the annuls of NFL Champions, there won't be a pimple on the butt of the list by saying something like "Cardinals, SB Winner", or "Eagles, SB Winner". There would be something terribly wrong with a listing of champions with one of those loser teams on it......................

how can you classify a Super Bowl candidate as a "loser team"? and if the Eagles or Cardinals do win a Championship, how can you classify them as a "loser team"?

 

[lewpac]

One of the, if not THE, dumbest posts I have ever read...

You need to read more posts................................

Listen, you and others want us all to buy into whatever the league is shoveling at us.
THAT'S my opinion. I don't HAVE to like the state of the game. You youngsters know nothing but this crap. Some of us were around BEFORE free agency and salary caps and "parity". This baloney only started in the mid-90's.
We remember when men were men, and so were the women. Up until 1994, teams were alot more than a collection of pirates and fly-by-nights and mercenaries. Team meant TEAM in a couple different and important ways.

Not the least of which was the SAME guys and the SAME coaches and the SAME offense and defense that was allowed to grow and develop into well-oiled machines. Machines that would provide quality football and quality games to the fans. You know (or more likely, you don't), as in Tom Landry and Roger Staubach and Randy White and Walt Garrison. Or, Jimmy Johnson and Troy and Emmitt and "The Playmaker" and Ken Norton and Jay Novecheck. TEAMS!!!!!!!!! Folks who STAYED together and MADE SOMETHING REAL. Not "one year wonders", which is what ya' got now.

So again, take this "new" NFL and place it where the Sun don't shine. I ain't buyin' it. I don't have too either. I ain't buyin' into "the Eagles vs. the Fartinals" for the NFC Crown. Not now, not ever. It's a joke and a sham and a counterfeit. Impostors parading around as something "real". No way man. It's "temporary" to say the least. Go ask last years "darlings", the Giants.........................

But you young'uns wouldn't know anything about that.

 

[lewpac]

Riiiight.....

Just like the Cardinals could not possibly beat Atlanta or Carolina.

You're making my point..........

The "mighty" Cardinals really made their point by beating those two "juggernauts", Atlanta and Carolina!?!?!?

Oh yeah, that qualifies you as a "quality" football team................

Where were Atlanta, Carolina, or for that matter the eternally rotten Cardinals this time last year???? Better yet, where will they be NEXT YEAR??? Out of the playoffs, that's where.

Next!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Audiman]

You need to read more posts................................

Listen, you and others want us all to buy into whatever the league is shoveling at us.
THAT'S my opinion. I don't HAVE to like the state of the game. You youngsters know nothing but this crap. Some of us were around BEFORE free agency and salary caps and "parity". This baloney only started in the mid-90's.
We remember when men were men, and so were the women. Up until 1994, teams were alot more than a collection of pirates and fly-by-nights and mercenaries. Team meant TEAM in a couple different and important ways.

Not the least of which was the SAME guys and the SAME coaches and the SAME offense and defense that was allowed to grow and develop into well-oiled machines. Machines that would provide quality football and quality games to the fans. You know (or more likely, you don't), as in Tom Landry and Roger Staubach and Randy White and Walt Garrison. Or, Jimmy Johnson and Troy and Emmitt and "The Playmaker" and Ken Norton and Jay Novecheck. TEAMS!!!!!!!!! Folks who STAYED together and MADE SOMETHING REAL. Not "one year wonders", which is what ya' got now.

So again, take this "new" NFL and place it where the Sun don't shine. I ain't buyin' it. I don't have too either. I ain't buyin' into "the Eagles vs. the Fartinals" for the NFC Crown. Not now, not ever. It's a joke and a sham and a counterfeit. Impostors parading around as something "real". No way man. It's "temporary" to say the least. Go ask last years "darlings", the Giants.........................

But you young'uns wouldn't know anything about that.

cliffnotes: I'm old and I like good teams of players, but can't accept other good teams winning anything.

 

[Audiman]

You're making my point..........

The "mighty" Cardinals really made their point by beating those two "juggernauts", Atlanta and Carolina!?!?!?

Oh yeah, that qualifies you as a "quality" football team................

Where were Atlanta, Carolina, or for that matter the eternally rotten Cardinals this time last year???? Better yet, where will they be NEXT YEAR??? Out of the playoffs, that's where.

Next!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

in 1991, we didn't come close to making the playoffs. in 1992 and 1993, we won back to back Super Bowls. we haven't won a Super Bowl since 1995. are we still a juggernaut?

Next!?!?!?!?

 

[lewpac]

cliffnotes: I'm old and I like good teams of players, but can't accept other good teams winning anything.

Edit: If only the other teams were "good teams" who are "winning" anything.
But they're not.

Both NFC teams left were not in the playoffs last year. And, won't be in the playoffs next year.

'Nuff said...............

NEXT................................

 

[lewpac]

in 1991, we didn't come close to making the playoffs. in 1992 and 1993, we won back to back Super Bowls. we haven't won a Super Bowl since 1995. are we still a juggernaut?

Next!?!?!?!?

Dead wrong..............

We weren't "fly by night" and "mercenary" for a year, blowing hot-n-cold. That team was BUILT and LASTED until your agenda of "free agency" ripped the throat out of it.

That team was deliberately hand picked, planned, and constructed by Jimmy and Jerry to win Rings. And it did. For a long time. If not for two things: Free agency, and the Jimmy/Jerry hissy-fit divorce, that team coulda' won at least 5 rings.

So, as a Cowboy fan, I'm dissappointed in you for not knowing that. Don't embarASS yourself again by bringing up THAT quality team in this conversation.
This conversation is ALL ABOUT THAT TEAM, and what "parity" did to destroy it....................

 

[Audiman]

Edit: If only the other teams were "good teams" who are "winning" anything.
But they're not.

Both NFC teams left were not in the playoffs last year. And, won't be in the playoffs next year.

'Nuff said...............

NEXT................................

again, in '91 we didn't make the playoffs. in '92 we won the Super Bowl...

and how do you know they won't make the playoffs next year? can you time travel?

 

[Audiman]

Dead wrong..............

We weren't "fly by night" and "mercenary" for a year, blowing hot-n-cold. That team was BUILT and LASTED until your agenda of "free agency" ripped the throat out of it.

That team was deliberately hand picked, planned, and constructed by Jimmy and Jerry to win Rings. And it did. For a long time. If not for two things: Free agency, and the Jimmy/Jerry hissy-fit divorce, that team coulda' won at least 5 rings.

So, as a Cowboy fan, I'm dissappointed in you for not knowing that. Don't embarASS yourself again by bringing up THAT quality team in this conversation.
This conversation is ALL ABOUT THAT TEAM, and what "parity" did to destroy it....................

4 years is hardly a long time. you're forgetting to mention that we still had most of that "good team" after '95 and we didn't do anything...

 

[lewpac]

again, in '91 we didn't make the playoffs. in '92 we won the Super Bowl...

and how do you know they won't make the playoffs next year? can you time travel?

OK............now you're being an idiot.

That team was EXACTLY what I described as a "quality" team. At some point, a team who "didn't make the playoffs" is going to "make the playoffs" according to "MY WAY".

Then, (get ready for a revelation here), THEY STAY GOOD FOR A WHILE!!!!! Holy crap, what an idea!!!!!!!!!! Whoever heard of such a thing???????

THEN....................they go downhill slowly!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a "new" thing, huh????????????

That, my friend, was your 1990's Dallas Cowboys. The last bastion of sanity in the NFL.

Good luck in the future kiddo'...................

 

[5Countem5]

again, in '91 we didn't make the playoffs. in '92 we won the Super Bowl...

and how do you know they won't make the playoffs next year? can you time travel?

Actually in '91 Dallas made the playoffs and won a game at Chicago before losing at Detroit...

Just FYI

 

[cmacch]

This whole thread has me

 

[DCgirl13]

Better yet, where will they be NEXT YEAR??? Out of the playoffs, that's where.

Next!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Wow, you are just really bitter. I don't know whether to laugh at you or pity you.

Where are the Cowboys this year? That's right, at home, because they didn't deserve it and didn't play to their potential. Dallas should have torched the Iggles and yet they failed miserably.

Sorry, but the Cards and the Iggs were the better teams this year especially when it matters.

Do I want Dallas to be back to Super Bowl form? OF COURSE! But they sure didn't deserve it this year and were overhyped while teams like AZ and PHilthy beat them.