How bad is the NFC?

[Audiman]

Actually in '91 Dallas made the playoffs and won a game at Chicago before losing at Detroit...

Just FYI

yeah, I was thinking of the wrong year. my fault.

OK............now you're being an idiot.

That team was EXACTLY what I described as a "quality" team. At some point, a team who "didn't make the playoffs" is going to "make the playoffs" according to "MY WAY".

Then, (get ready for a revelation here), THEY STAY GOOD FOR A WHILE!!!!! Holy crap, what an idea!!!!!!!!!! Whoever heard of such a thing???????

THEN....................they go downhill slowly!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a "new" thing, huh????????????

That, my friend, was your 1990's Dallas Cowboys. The last bastion of sanity in the NFL.

Good luck in the future kiddo'...................

I'm being an idiot because I have common sense? good call.

I guess the Colts weren't a quality team when they won the Super Bowl. I guess the Giants weren't a quality team when they won...

to say the Eagles and Cardinals aren't quality teams this year is ignorant. they're in the NFC title game because they worked hard and played well.

you might want to settle down. don't want you to have a heart attack.

 

[5Countem5]

yeah, I was thinking of the wrong year. my fault.



I'm being an idiot because I have common sense? good call.

I guess the Colts weren't a quality team when they won the Super Bowl. I guess the Giants weren't a quality team when they won...

to say the Eagles and Cardinals aren't quality teams this year is ignorant. they're in the NFC title game because they worked hard and played well.

you might want to settle down. don't want you to have a heart attack.

I assume he thinks Baltimore's win was less than stellar too...

 

[LenS]

Actually, the Eagles have had a lot of continuity over the past decade. Same QB, FS, LT and RT -- four key positions on any team. They really have had few known free agents on the team at any time (at the moment, it's Runyan, Curtis, Clemons and Samuel). Most of the players have been draft picks, undrafted free agents or young guys cut by other teams in their first or second year. Coaches have tended to remain until hired as head coaches or coordinators elsewhere. Their turnover has been relatively stable from year to year as guys age. You can have stability in the NFL, you just have to be committed to it. Leaving cap space each year to extend promising young players is a part of it.

New England has also been fairly stable over the years. Same goes for Pittsburgh (they've had more trouble keeping people) or Indy.

 

[LenS]

You seem to be arguing for a MLB situation -- where only a handful of teams can afford to compete every year and many teams can only take a shot once every ten or twenty years (hello Brewers). Too many teams go into each MLB season knowing that they're just playing to collect a check.

 

[lewpac]

yeah, I was thinking of the wrong year. my fault.



I'm being an idiot because I have common sense? good call.

I guess the Colts weren't a quality team when they won the Super Bowl. I guess the Giants weren't a quality team when they won...

to say the Eagles and Cardinals aren't quality teams this year is ignorant. they're in the NFC title game because they worked hard and played well.

you might want to settle down. don't want you to have a heart attack.

You might want to learn how to R-E-A-D before making a bigger fool of yourself than you are currently by "pining" for the Cardinals............

I already gave you that the Pats, the Colts and the Steelers are "holding down the fort" and retaining any resemblance of "continuity".

The Giants, on no one's radar screen to EVEN MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, up until THANKSGIVING, are the "poster child" for my points. Last November, they were the "dysfunctional child" of the NFL. A house divided. Tiki Barbers book, everyone in NY calling for Mannings and Coughlins heads, Strahan and his big mouth causing nothing but locker room trouble................you name it, and this team was an internal disaster.

Then, WALLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like magic. Just the latest team to "gell" at the right time at the right place. The team that "didn't want to lose the most" happens into the SB and gets lucky. Not a "team for the ages". Not some "iconic" franchise. Not a "model organization". Certainly nothing to "get on board" and "ride the wave" of success over the next five years. Nothing of the sort. A "one and done" parity nightmare.

And thats the NFL nowadays, certainly the NFC. Anyone could go. Whoever gets "hot" in November and December is the next "Vunderchild-Darling" for all the idiots to get all "warm and fuzzy" about. The Saints, Seattle, Atlanta, the Rams..............whatever. And the next year, bringing up the rear in their division.

Just look at the facts and the records and the divisions over the past decade, and tell me I'm wrong. In the NFC, the only decent team to put together any kind of run were the 2001-2005 Eagles. And they still (of course) never won a SB. Period. END OF STORY!!!!!!

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

The NFC is the better conference top to bottom... Don't judge both teams records just by face value.

 

[lewpac]

The NFC is the better conference top to bottom... Don't judge both teams records just by face value.

You gotta' be kidding me, right!!!!!????!!!??!?!??!?!?

The NFC, Dallas included, is nothing more than a "who's behind curtain #3" the last decade. No one has ANY IDEA, one year to the next, on who's going to the SB or not going to the Playoffs. NO IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Puckers and the Cowboys..................last year, the Cowboys had the best record and home-field in the NFC, and the Puckers went to the NFC Title game. Neither of them made the playoffs this year, and the Puckers finished below .500!!!!! Last year, Atlanta had the Vick-affair destroying the team, and ended up with 3 wins. Arizona was it's usual useless self, and the Vikings were nothing more than an also-ran .500 team.

Fast forward to this year.................UNHEARD OF in previous NFL lure. Absolutely UNFATHOMABLE. Yet, this is what we get in an era of "parity".

The AFC.................Miami had ONE (as in Uno, single, ONLY) win last year, and won the "Patriot" division this year. The J-E-T-S Jests, same thing. Two bottom feeding, abismal teams a year ago, and now this. San Diego goes from 4-8 to make the playoffs and actually win a playoff game. UNHEARD OF in previous NFL lure.

Next year, get ready for Cincy and Oakland to make the playoffs, with Kansas City winning the AFC. In the NFC, it perfectly reasonable to predict that the Whiners win the NFC Lest, and Detroit makes the playoffs. Laugh all you want, but this is the new reality in the NFL thanks to salary caps, free agency and other "parity" measures.

I'm going to go out on a major limb here (ha-ha-ha) and predict that in the AFC, the Pats, Colts, Steelers and Titans will make the playoffs next year. Probably the Chargers too. And I think that this "brain surgery" about the AFC is across the board.

So there you have it. In the AFC, you pretty much know who's going to make it. The NFC? Try making the same predictions about 4 or 5 teams...........I dare ya'.

 

[links18]

I hear what Lewpac is saying. Something has never quite sat right with me about the Ravens winning the Super Bowl in 2000. I remember in the pre-salary cap era good teams could even lose their starting QB and continue to compete for the Super Bowl. The Giants won with Hostetler and the Bills had to rely on Frank Reich a couple of times. Heck even in our Super Bowl years we had Jason Garrett, Bernie Kosar and Rodney Peete take significant snaps. Point is a situation like what happened to the Pats this year with Brady going down cancelling their season (Even though Cassell played well) was far less likely, as those teams were built from the ground up with solid players. Its not like teams didn't move around in the hierarchy during that era, but it took solid drafting, patience and effort to build a winning team.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

talent is nearly equal on alot of NFL teams. I wouldn't say that there is an elite team this year.

Basically, it really comes down to who is hot coming into the playoffs.

 

[Audiman]

You might want to learn how to R-E-A-D before making a bigger fool of yourself than you are currently by "pining" for the Cardinals............

I already gave you that the Pats, the Colts and the Steelers are "holding down the fort" and retaining any resemblance of "continuity".

The Giants, on no one's radar screen to EVEN MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, up until THANKSGIVING, are the "poster child" for my points. Last November, they were the "dysfunctional child" of the NFL. A house divided. Tiki Barbers book, everyone in NY calling for Mannings and Coughlins heads, Strahan and his big mouth causing nothing but locker room trouble................you name it, and this team was an internal disaster.

Then, WALLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like magic. Just the latest team to "gell" at the right time at the right place. The team that "didn't want to lose the most" happens into the SB and gets lucky. Not a "team for the ages". Not some "iconic" franchise. Not a "model organization". Certainly nothing to "get on board" and "ride the wave" of success over the next five years. Nothing of the sort. A "one and done" parity nightmare.

And thats the NFL nowadays, certainly the NFC. Anyone could go. Whoever gets "hot" in November and December is the next "Vunderchild-Darling" for all the idiots to get all "warm and fuzzy" about. The Saints, Seattle, Atlanta, the Rams..............whatever. And the next year, bringing up the rear in their division.

Just look at the facts and the records and the divisions over the past decade, and tell me I'm wrong. In the NFC, the only decent team to put together any kind of run were the 2001-2005 Eagles. And they still (of course) never won a SB. Period. END OF STORY!!!!!!

so, you're still speaking negatively against these teams going to the Super Bowl. you're simply too ignorant to accept that the Eagles and Cardinals are good teams this year.

also, how do you know they won't make the playoffs again next year? I'd love to know.

 

[lewpac]

I hear what Lewpac is saying. Something has never quite sat right with me about the Ravens winning the Super Bowl in 2000. I remember in the pre-salary cap era good teams could even lose their starting QB and continue to compete for the Super Bowl. The Giants won with Hostetler and the Bills had to rely on Frank Reich a couple of times. Heck even in our Super Bowl years we had Jason Garrett, Bernie Kosar and Rodney Peete take significant snaps. Point is a situation like what happened to the Pats this year with Brady going down cancelling their season (Even though Cassell played well) was far less likely, as those teams were built from the ground up with solid players. Its not like teams didn't move around in the hierarchy during that era, but it took solid drafting, patience and effort to build a winning team.

Amen. God Bless You...............
Sanity at last...........

All I ask for is some indication that somebody, ANYBODY, could go "back-to-back". Or even make the playoffs for two years in a row.
Doesn't have to be Dallas, as much as I wish it were.

Just gimme' something in the NFC that even sniffs of a decent team. The Eagles, as much as I hate to admit it, were the last NFC team to put together a few good years. And even then, they (of course) couldn't win the big one.
But NO!!!!! Now we get the Cardinals, and an Eagle team FAR REMOVED from those early 2000 years. Just the benefactor of another year of "whoever gets hot" at the right time in the NFC.

I honestly don't give a rats *** as to how this year ends. It's been over for a month for me. I'll say it again, I'm hoping it's the Steelers. If for no other reason than that the list of "champions" won't be polluted by such nonsense as "Eagle" or "Cardinal" blaspheme and outrage. These teams must NEVER grace the pages of "championship" ink.

Steelers, save the civilized world from such nonsense....................

 

[links18]

so, you're still speaking negatively against these teams going to the Super Bowl. you're simply too ignorant to accept that the Eagles and Cardinals are good teams this year.

also, how do you know they won't make the playoffs again next year? I'd love to know.

He's making a prediction based on trends the past decade or so. :bang2:

 

[Audiman]

Fast forward to this year.................UNHEARD OF in previous NFL lure. Absolutely UNFATHOMABLE. Yet, this is what we get in an era of "parity".

The AFC.................Miami had ONE (as in Uno, single, ONLY) win last year, and won the "Patriot" division this year. The J-E-T-S Jests, same thing. Two bottom feeding, abismal teams a year ago, and now this. San Diego goes from 4-8 to make the playoffs and actually win a playoff game. UNHEARD OF in previous NFL lure.

so basically what you're saying is teams shouldn't be aloud to improve.

Brilliant!

 

[Audiman]

Amen. God Bless You...............
Sanity at last...........

yes, because you've certainly LOST yours

All I ask for is some indication that somebody, ANYBODY, could go "back-to-back". Or even make the playoffs for two years in a row.
Doesn't have to be Dallas, as much as I wish it were.

the Giants had a good oppurtunity until the Plaxico incident

Just gimme' something in the NFC that even sniffs of a decent team. The Eagles, as much as I hate to admit it, were the last NFC team to put together a few good years. And even then, they (of course) couldn't win the big one.
But NO!!!!! Now we get the Cardinals, and an Eagle team FAR REMOVED from those early 2000 years. Just the benefactor of another year of "whoever gets hot" at the right time in the NFC.

so, a team that plays well in december and january shouldn't have a chance to win it all? this is based solely on the fact that they weren't that great a year or two earlier? you're ridiculous.

I honestly don't give a rats *** as to how this year ends. It's been over for a month for me. I'll say it again, I'm hoping it's the Steelers. If for no other reason than that the list of "champions" won't be polluted by such nonsense as "Eagle" or "Cardinal" blaspheme and outrage. These teams must NEVER grace the pages of "championship" ink.

again, why? Championships are made for everyone or every team competing for it to have the oppurtunity to win it.

Steelers, save the civilized world from such nonsense....................

the only nonsense is coming from you.

 

[jobberone]

A college team has beaten a pro team before. I wouldn't bother with today's game though.

 

[Venger]

The NFC is the better conference top to bottom... Don't judge both teams records just by face value.

Oh dear... I am a huge NFC fan, but for crying out loud, just having the Lions makes the NFC worse...

 

[links18]

so basically what you're saying is teams shouldn't be aloud to improve.

Brilliant!

That's not what he is saying. He is saying that when teams improve in the course of one season, it is symbolic of a decline in the quality of the product across the league as a result of parity measures taken by the league to increase profit. Can anyone honestly say that the quality of play has not declined in the past decade? Also, the 16-0 Pats, followed the next year by an 0-16 Lions is also a result of the same forces at work. Neither had ever happened. Now we get both in back to back years.

 

[Da Hammer]

I guess the only thing i dont like about the game is that honestly i dont think the "best" team really wins the SB anymore. Honestly it just takes a team gettin hot at the right moment and they have as good a shot as any to win the SB. but i wouldnt necessarily blame it on the salary cap, its more of the fact that its just 1 game unlike basketball or baseball where u have 7 game series where ultimately the best team wins the majority of the time. I think mentioned this a couple years back that in the NFL the majority of the time i dont think the best team really wins it all...

 

[links18]

A college team has beaten a pro team before. I wouldn't bother with today's game though.

A CFL team beat an NFL team once. Well, actually it was an AFL team (The Buffalo Bills) in 1961.

http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/CFL-NFL_Hamilton_Tiger-Cats_vs_Buffalo_Bills_1961.htm

 

[phillycard]

A gaggle of impostors and counterfeits......

This is what all you "parity", salary-cap, free agency folks wanted, and now you got it. It's been going on for over a decade now, but this crap is the ultimate "roosters coming home to roost".

The "quality" teams horse has left the barn a long time ago.

Call it sour grapes, jealous or bitter all you want, but THIS is the state of the game. Even last year, nobody, and I mean NOBODY had the stinky Giants on their radar screen to make the playoffs. All the way up to Thanksgiving!! And I NEVER gave credence or cred to their "run" in the playoffs last year.

Carolina provided the only thing in the NFC that would've kept it sane, and they get dusted by the joke of the NFL, Arizona.

Now, one of these two mediocre laughing stocks is going to the SB.

This is what you get when nobody has any continuity. It's a crap-shoot every year, depending upon who "jells" at the right time, usually at seasons end. Used to be that teams were actually built, stayed together, remained good for a long time, and then gradually fell back to the middle of the pack. Now, we get the idiot Falcons going 3-13 one year, make the playoffs the year after that, and next year will go back to 5-11. Miami? The Jets? Remember when New Orleans was supposed to be the next "America's Team"?? After last year, they gave Cleveland three MNF games and look what happened. San Diego this year? And don't even get me started on Dallas!!!!

Some people get a warm & fuzzy feeling inside watching this baloney. Makes 'em feel all "fair" and "even" and "everyone has a shot". If that's what you like, then you're having the time of your life. You're also getting an inferior product of mediocrity, where the "team that doesn't want to lose the most" is your darling team de jour. Particularly in the NFC. In the AFC, the Patriots, Colts and Steelers have been holding down a reasonable fort. Those three teams are providing some semblance of consistency akin to the days when teams were respectable for a decade at a time.

The NFC? A complete and utter joke. Be prepared for the coming years where YOUR NFC is represented by such iconic teams as the Lions, Saints, Seattle and Falcons. Because anything can happen in this era of "parity".

And, IMO, the product SUCKS!!!!!

lewpac, methinks you wouldn't be so heated if it was the Boys in the NFC championship game. It is what it is man. No use complaining. You think the NFL's losing sleep over it? Should the Cards do like Stephen A (for ******) Smith suggests and give up our spot? I'm happy I'm here and I'm not going to complain about the product while I am. The days of the "dynasty are short lived my friend.