How can anyone say McFadden never fumbles???

[masomenos]

Hmmm...I don't know who to believe, you or the espn national statistics line at http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170928, which shows "0" fumbles in 2005, 2006,2007.

I'm going to guess that fumbling isn't an issue with anyone in the NFL.

You may want to look at other players stats as well. They also say that Jamaal Charles never fumbled, and any UT fan will tell you thats just not true. I honestly don't think they have any fumbles recorded for any players. So you can either believe me, and I'll provide a link if you want, or you can believe a stat line that is obviously incorrect.

::shrugs::

Your call.

 

[joseephuss]

15 fumbles in season where he touched the ball 40 times a game or more is not that much. remember he played qb in the wild hog formation, returned kicks, and carried the ball. his fumbles per touch is not high at all.
i still would give up picks to move up for him but he is not a fumble problem

I don't know how many times McFadden touched the ball this past season. I know he had 325 rushing attempts.

15 fumbles in 400 touches is 26.7 a game

15 fumbles in 500 touches is 33.3 a game

Maybe he lands somewhere in that range and that is not good.

Tony Dorsett, a guy known as having a problem with fumbles had 1 for every 37 touches.

Eric Dickerson, another guy known as having a problem with fumbles had 1 for every 42 touches.

Tiki Barber, a guy who at one time was known as having a problem with fumbles had 1 for every 55.7 touches.

Emmitt Smith fumbled 1 time for every 80 touches.

 

[masomenos]

Vick fumbled once every 41 touches

 

[dallasfaniac]

Chad Hutchinson once every 3 snaps.

 

[masomenos]

Darren McFadden
785 carries
+ 46 catches
+ 38 returns
+ 22 passing attempts
-----------------------------
891 touches in 38 games

That comes out to a fumble every 39 touches, since he had 23 fumbles in his 3 year career. (15 in 2007, 4 in 2006, 4 in 2005).

As a freshman in 2005 he had 204 total touches and 4 fumbles, for a fumble every 51 touches.

As a sophomore in 2006 he had 314 total touches and 4 fumbles,
for a fumble ever 79 touches.

As a junior in 2007 he had 373 total touches and 15 fumbles, for a fumble every 25 touches.

Thats how it breaks down.

 

[mmillman]

Reggie Bush can't run between the tackles, and, as far as I know, he was criticized for this coming out of college. They tried running him this year in-between the tackles, and his game suffered. Sean Payton was getting criticized for making him do what isn't his strong suit. McFadden runs North to South, and he refuses to dance. He also lowers his shoulder.

Reggie Bush had an offense loaded with talent, from a QB to the WR. McFadden doesn't have anybody.

How can anyone say that McFadden is gonna be another Reggie Bush?

Bush is a very talented RB. IMO New Orleans isn't using him right and I haven't watched many Saints games but there line at the start of the year stunk.

 

[ajk23az]

I wonder why the big jump from 4 to 15 ?? Thats really weird.

 

[Nors]

15 fumbles in season where he touched the ball 40 times a game or more is not that much. remember he played qb in the wild hog formation, returned kicks, and carried the ball. his fumbles per touch is not high at all.
i still would give up picks to move up for him but he is not a fumble problem

AND WHY NOT a problem?

Is it at 20, 30 or 40 fumbles that it becomes a problem? Curious.

 

[masomenos]

AND WHY NOT a problem?

Is it at 20, 30 or 40 fumbles that it becomes a problem? Curious.

Fumbling is never a problem when you run fast.

 

[windward]

I did not realize he had a fumbling problem........hum,

ESPN does not show that on his highlights.....I just see him going the distance.

ESPN is little more than a hype machine these days.

 

[Alexander]

15 fumbles works out to more then 1 per game. There is NO way that is NOT a problem.

When you have an upright running style, this issue will be compounded at the professional level.

Yet another reason why it is not exactly smart to overinvest in this player.

 

[Alexander]

Darren McFadden
785 carries
+ 46 catches
+ 38 returns
+ 22 passing attempts
-----------------------------
891 touches in 38 games

That comes out to a fumble every 39 touches, since he had 23 fumbles in his 3 year career. (15 in 2007, 4 in 2006, 4 in 2005).

As a freshman in 2005 he had 204 total touches and 4 fumbles, for a fumble every 51 touches.

As a sophomore in 2006 he had 314 total touches and 4 fumbles,
for a fumble ever 79 touches.

As a junior in 2007 he had 373 total touches and 15 fumbles, for a fumble every 25 touches.

Thats how it breaks down.

I could care less what the "ratio" is.

This is not a statistical game.

Fifteen fumbles in a 10-12 game season is horrific, no matter how it is sugarcoated.

It only takes one to change the complexion of a game.

 

[gimmesix]

I keep seeing these reports from the sports writers and board posters that DMac never fumbles.... I say BS! I watched many games this season and I can recall a boat load of fumbles from just this season.

Ummm- I know he had 1 in the Kentucky game, 2 in the Chattanooga game, at least 1 in South Carolina game, 2 in LSU game, 1 in Missouri game, at least 1 in the Alabama game and 3, yes 3 in the Florida International game, and I know he had at least a couple more. Now he may not have lost them all, but he did in close to half of those fumbles. Point blank the guy puts the ball on the ground.

I wish people would get there information correct. Another stat thats kinda interesting is the fact that he was stopped for no gain or a loss on 44 plays. I could be off a few, but thats about right. But another thought is how many big plays he has done along with the ability to throw the ball.

I am not bashing DMac, I like him and think he will be very good. I just HATE false INFO!!!

Other information that might have a bearing on his play is that he played hurt for most of the season. When you're playing with bruised ribs, it can make it difficult to concentrate and hold on to the ball.

I'd have to go back and check our archives, but I believe it was in the Florida International game that he got hurt. Either that or he reinjured his ribs in that game. I can't remember which one.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Just another reason why moving up to one, giving up Barber and a 3rd, and paying this guy 30 million guarunteed is one of the stupidest plans I've ever heard.

Why everyone just wants to jump all over him for the homerun speed (And, again, I like DMac but come on) when you can get Jones or Slaton much later, for much less, and not give up Barber is just beyond me.

Those people who love his speed...you do realize that Jones is just as fast, right? Felix is listed, I believe, as actually having a fast 40 time and he has good vision, balance, and cutback ability as well. He can catch the ball out of the backfield also.

So, I guess, were back to the people in favor of this insane move being all about DMac cause he'll be able to add 2 or 3 halfback passes a year to our offense.

That's 30 million well spent.

 

[Nors]

Fumbling is never a problem when you run fast.

You are agreeing with me - fumbling here is a problem.

 

[Cowboys2008]

We can dissect him and any other player that's ever come up for the draft...until they suck. You work hard enough, talk yourself blue enough in the face, that's what you'll get everytime. But what you can't deny is his game-breaking ability which is seen on highlight reel after highlight real after highlight real after highlight reel. And I will bet that will continue long into an NFL career.

The problem with going after Dmac is this, we lose another star in Barber possibly. Catch 22. Ironically, 22 is who we want them both to replace. Flip of the coin here. Who we've got-who we covet.

 

[burmafrd]

GIve me a lesser player that holds onto the ball over a better player that lays it on the ground too often.

 

[joseephuss]

Bush is a very talented RB. IMO New Orleans isn't using him right and I haven't watched many Saints games but there line at the start of the year stunk.

That doesn't look like the problem. The Saints try to get Bush the ball in open spaces by throwing it to him. He has 161 receptions in two years. He averages 7.20 yards per reception, which is decent. It is not exceptional. His average on this year was 5.71 yards per reception on 73 catches. That is pedestrian. He is supposed to be the guy that can make things happen in space and he hasn't, yet.

I don't have an explanation, but it is not special when Bush averages 3.67 yards per rushing attempt. And more than that, he just does not have many big plays in his career. That was a big complaint about Julius Jones this year and even last season. Not enough big plays. Bush has been the same so far.

 

[burmafrd]

Bush is a bust. Simple as that. He was SUPPOSED to REVOLUTIONIZE the game;he was supposed to be the Game Breaker; the big gun- the DIFFERENCE maker.




























Just like McFadden is supposed to be now.

 

[superpunk]

Bush is a bust. Simple as that. He was SUPPOSED to REVOLUTIONIZE the game;he was supposed to be the Game Breaker; the big gun- the DIFFERENCE maker.

Just like McFadden is supposed to be now.

Just like McFadden will.

There is no comparison to be made between the two. One dominated Fresno State on a team filled with first round NFL draft choices on offense. The other dominated the SEC as the offense's only threat. You're fooling yourself if you think their situations are at all comparable.