How do you feel about this Offensive Line

daveferr33

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Obviously there is a lot to like.

But for the reasons XWalker stated above, there may be some concern regarding the RT. However, in the past, Free seems to play better when he has a quality guard next to him. I believe that Martin can be a quality guard from day one, even as a rookie, so I have some hope for Free this season.

At any rate, I hope that there is sufficient room under the cap next season to replace Free with a middle tier free agent, if we don't get one in the middle of the draft.

And no, I don't want Martin moved to RT. He was drafted to be an elite guard, not a better than average tackle, which is how I believe he projects.
 

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Have you not noticed that all of those dc.com guys tend to just parrot Broaddus?

I know for certain that Free has gotten blown up multiple times but none of the dc.com guys have reported it.

I have noticed that some of them do like Kavner and Spagnola but not Eatman or Dennis. You are using confirmation bias here. This is also a departure from your 'someone is trying to stir the pot.'

Multiple reports have Parnelll playing poorly. You can believe what you want but keep in mind there are others that read this and come to their own conclusions.
 

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The only problem with this offensive line to me is?

Will the Coaches finally use it to their advantage. And by "advantage", I mean will they start letting these young guys go out and beat the hell out of the opposing defense and let the running backs do their job.

It was pitiful last year with Murray averaging 5.3 (i think) a carry...then they shut him down! Maybe this year they will set up the pass by running the ball down the field anytime they want to. Or, maybe they will just use these big *** slow lumbering jacks to try and backpedal to protect the QB. Make him win the game?

It's a new playcaller. i am interested to watch Linehan run the offense.
 

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I have noticed that some of them do like Kavner and Spagnola but not Eatman or Dennis. You are using confirmation bias here. This is also a departure from your 'someone is trying to stir the pot.'

Multiple reports have Parnelll playing poorly. You can believe what you want but keep in mind there are others that read this and come to their own conclusions.
We'll see soon. I can't wait for the preseason games to see what's true and what's BS.

I saw multiple reports about 1 specific bad play by Parnell.

I just don't trust OLine reports that deciminate from Broaddus and his crew. They seem to do better reporting on skill position players.
 

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How do I feel about the OL?

Really good, of course.

Dallas has probably the best LT in football who just signed for the next 8 years and he just turned 24. After this 8 year contract, he will still be in a prime age for OL and will probably be able to sign another contract at that point. The most athletic OL in the league. A very serious guy who plays tough. Just watch him throw DeMarcus Lawrence and you get the idea.

Then, they have a guy who is an absolute rock in the middle in Frederick. He's in his second season and he is already one of the best centers in the NFL. He's one of the smartest guys in football as well, which is what you want at the pivot position. Plus, he plays mean, which I love most of all, and I think it is what makes him great. He is giving Melton fits.

At RG is a guy who I think is going to be one of the best guards in football pretty much right away. His athleticism is off the charts for a guard and he plays the position with such sound fundamentals that there is almost no chance of him not being successful. I still say that fans really have no idea about how athletic he truly is. He moves around effortlessly at over 300 pounds. It is just so easy for him. When Mike Mayock said he watched him for the entire 2013 season, in ND's bowl game, and through all the senior bowl practices and the entire game and only saw Martin get beat once, that tell you all you need to know about this guy. Add in that he also plays with a real mean streak and likes to put guys down, and you have a really, really good offensive lineman. If any of you have really focused on him in training camp, you have seen how good he really is. Always in great position and never looks close to getting beat.

We all know that Doug Free isn't a great player, but really he isn't bad at all. He plays smart and these days he seems to be well aware of his limitations and plays within himself. In conjunction with the stellar players that surround him, he isn't a liability and keeps things functioning just fine. He is actually improving stillPersonally, I wish he were stronger and more of a mauler. That is the type of guy I like at RT (read: Erik Williams). Maybe Dallas spends another high pick on a guy next year and they get someone more like that... but until they do, we can get by just fine with Free.

The LG spot is the most interesting of all the positions. There are 3 starters competing for that spot and it should be really fun to see what happens. Leary did a nice job there last year in his first as a starter and is probably the most talented of all 3 candidates. He really improved as the year went on and I look for him to win the job outright. Bernadeau is a good player though and in 2013, by the end of the year he was playing really well at RG. He's still relatively young and is a strong, mobile guy. Nwaneri is a solid guy too, and has the most starting experience of all three guys. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if any one of them wins the job, but what makes it so good for Dallas fans is that the two guys who don't win the job represent the best depth that Dallas has had in a long, long time on the OL. Both of them will provide depth at all three interior positions, including center.

This unit has the potential to be a game changer. It can win games for the team and put points on the board.

It is going to give defenses fits and is going to be very difficult for defensive coordinators to work around.

I couldn't be happier.
 

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How do I feel about the OL?

Really good, of course.

Dallas has probably the best LT in football who just signed for the next 8 years and he just turned 24. After this 8 year contract, he will still be in a prime age for OL and will probably be able to sign another contract at that point. The most athletic OL in the league. A very serious guy who plays tough. Just watch him throw DeMarcus Lawrence and you get the idea.

Then, they have a guy who is an absolute rock in the middle in Frederick. He's in his second season and he is already one of the best centers in the NFL. He's one of the smartest guys in football as well, which is what you want at the pivot position. Plus, he plays mean, which I love most of all, and I think it is what makes him great. He is giving Melton fits.

At RG is a guy who I think is going to be one of the best guards in football pretty much right away. His athleticism is off the charts for a guard and he plays the position with such sound fundamentals that there is almost no chance of him not being successful. I still say that fans really have no idea about how athletic he truly is. He moves around effortlessly at over 300 pounds. It is just so easy for him. When Mike Mayock said he watched him for the entire 2013 season, in ND's bowl game, and through all the senior bowl practices and the entire game and only saw Martin get beat once, that tell you all you need to know about this guy. Add in that he also plays with a real mean streak and likes to put guys down, and you have a really, really good offensive lineman. If any of you have really focused on him in training camp, you have seen how good he really is. Always in great position and never looks close to getting beat.

We all know that Doug Free isn't a great player, but really he isn't bad at all. He plays smart and these days he seems to be well aware of his limitations and plays within himself. In conjunction with the stellar players that surround him, he isn't a liability and keeps things functioning just fine. He is actually improving stillPersonally, I wish he were stronger and more of a mauler. That is the type of guy I like at RT (read: Erik Williams). Maybe Dallas spends another high pick on a guy next year and they get someone more like that... but until they do, we can get by just fine with Free.

The LG spot is the most interesting of all the positions. There are 3 starters competing for that spot and it should be really fun to see what happens. Leary did a nice job there last year in his first as a starter and is probably the most talented of all 3 candidates. He really improved as the year went on and I look for him to win the job outright. Bernadeau is a good player though and in 2013, by the end of the year he was playing really well at RG. He's still relatively young and is a strong, mobile guy. Nwaneri is a solid guy too, and has the most starting experience of all three guys. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if any one of them wins the job, but what makes it so good for Dallas fans is that the two guys who don't win the job represent the best depth that Dallas has had in a long, long time on the OL. Both of them will provide depth at all three interior positions, including center.

This unit has the potential to be a game changer. It can win games for the team and put points on the board.

It is going to give defenses fits and is going to be very difficult for defensive coordinators to work around.

I couldn't be happier.

This is the kind of reads that are the expected from you...enjoyed it. I am pretty excited on watching some good football being played by the Cowboys. At least on the offensive side of the ball...but I doubt that I will be embarrassed to watch the defensive side as well.
 

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Doug Free was very good last year whether that was an one year aberration we will know this upcoming season
he faded badly towards the end of the season as he usually does
 

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We'll see soon. I can't wait for the preseason games to see what's true and what's BS.

I saw multiple reports about 1 specific bad play by Parnell.

I just don't trust OLine reports that deciminate from Broaddus and his crew. They seem to do better reporting on skill position players.

I cannot disagree with you more regarding Broaddus and his acumen.

when he talks about OL, he will talk about specific technique like footwork, bend, hand placement, and the like.

When he talks about skill position players he talks about generalities like how he feels a guy is running or that a guy can run with him. He doesn't talk about the technical things like number of steps, route depth, or the particular techniques that the skill position players use.

I trust Broaddus to know what he is talking about regarding linemen much more than I do the rest of the roster.
 

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I cannot disagree with you more regarding Broaddus and his acumen.

when he talks about OL, he will talk about specific technique like footwork, bend, hand placement, and the like.

When he talks about skill position players he talks about generalities like how he feels a guy is running or that a guy can run with him. He doesn't talk about the technical things like number of steps, route depth, or the particular techniques that the skill position players use.

I trust Broaddus to know what he is talking about regarding linemen much more than I do the rest of the roster.

OK, I was just trying to be nice when I said his group was good at something else.

I will give him props for often admitting that he was wrong in his previous reports.

IMO, Broaddus is like Nick Hayden. Hayden would have been a good contributor last season if he played about 30% of the snaps; however, he ended up playing about 90% of the snaps and he was overwhelmed. If Broaddus really takes his time to evaluate players I think he has the ability to do it well; however, I think he has too much going and throws out a lot of thoughts that are just his emotions at the time, but not something he has really analyzed completely. He's even said that he likes to just get his thoughts out to people ASAP and is not too worried about accuracy.

I actually like Broaddus and don't intend to be too critical of him; however, his style of reporting is easy to misconstrue. It's all amplified by the fact that his minions basically repeat his thoughts over and over. Even the Blogger type reporters show a strong evidence that they are parroting him. He's really the only local reporter with any football background which causes a long list of people to repeat and parrot what he says. Unfortunately, they don't give him credit when they do it. They like to word it as if it's their own thoughts. This concept is more obvious in the off-season before training camp when you know that the bloggers don't have access to see anything that is going on themselves.

The process is amplified with each of the following steps:

1. Broaddus says something. It could be a an article, tweet, radio report or just something he tells his minions (the dc. com guys as well as Bob Sturm and Mike Fisher all discuss the Cowboys with him).

2. His minions repeat what he said.

3. Bloggers repeat what he said and/or what his minions said.

4. Message board posters repeat what he said and/or what his minions said and/or what some bloggers that were parroting him said.

5. Other message board posters repeat what previous message board posters said that originated with something that Broaddus originally said.

In electronic amplifiers, you don't want to amplify the noise (error); however, in the situation described above, the least error (noise) by Broaddus get drastically amplified due to how things proliferate through the internet. He can say a player had one terrible snap and it ends up at the message board level that the player is having a terrible camp and might as well be cut before the 1st preseason game.

I prefer to just see the preseason games myself on both the broadcast and the All-22. That prevents any amplification from getting into the process.

The other issue is that some players might be better in games than in practice and vise versa. There have been many top level talented players over the years that are known to not perform well in practice but that are terrific in games. Add to that that people report things from training camp without always knowing or referencing the specifics of the drills. Some drills are going to favor OL and some will favor DL. Many practice reps are done with exaggerated technique changes while a player is in the process of developing better techniques. An OL coach might instruct an player to do step a certain way in order to demonstrate that it does not work. Then somebody reports that the OLineman was dominated by the DL but in reality they were just working on technique. It's like a golfer at the driving range that tries things that they wouldn't try on the course.
 

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How do you feel about this Offensive Line
I don't "feel" anything about it. I THINK that with three frikkin first round draft picks in it, the o-line excuse should pretty much be done away with.

I note however, Troy and Emmitt never had ANY first round picks in the line, and also never had anywhere near the excuses for mediocrity we see from this bunch.
 

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They look pretty impressive on paper. I'm anxious to see them work against defenders who aren't wearing Cowboys gear. Can Dallas mount a consistent running game? Will they commit to run?
 
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