How does Dallas fix the DL?

[LatinMind]

It is good drafting but there is an element of luck there, too.

Are all scouts so bad as to have missed out on a Pro Bowl Center at the end of the first round. Heck many talked about him really being a 3rd round guy. Many thought we reached and he would be available in the mid-second round. The scouts who formed those opinions did it on estimations on how similar prospects have fared in the pros. There is a huge amount of projection involved.

The same was true of the other picks but maybe not as true for Martin. Smith had quite a few detractors.

If you want to look at a recent example look at the top guys from the 2013 draft. 3 Tackles off the board in the first 4 picks and not one of them is looking better than Parnell does right now. So yes, high ranked guys even in the top 10 do not always pan out and that is not really a mistake by their scouts. Our own scouts wanted Cooper and Warmack badly in the draft where we traded down for Frederick. We apparently badly wanted Shazier before he was picked ahead of us and forcing us to go with Martin.

There will always be luck involved in the draft. To have hit with 3 straight picks is very unusual and a good helping of luck was served on the side. Just be grateful that we got it because it is not a given we will have it the next time we are on the clock.

That approach can be taken with any draft pick/

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Thats why i like O from ucla. He can play either DE spot and he's around a 3rd rounder.

That's the type of value i'd like to have in the 3rd round but i'm not sure if he's a guaranteed 3rd round pick. You don't think he could go earlier?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Of the top ten in sacks the past two seasons approximately half were chosen outside of the first round.

Thank you.

 

[birdwells1]

Keep bringing in talent instead of trying to rely on a 'missing piece to the puzzle.'

If you look at the 2007 Giants D-Line, they really didn't have that super stud player. Umenyiora was a very good DE, but I don't know if I would have labeled him as great. Strahan was well past his prime at that point and was still a good DE, but I wouldn't put him at the great DE level at that point in his career. But, they stockpiled some talent there of pretty good to very good D-Linemen and developed a great pass rush.

We still need to figure out ways to blitz more and with different blitzers. Could probably use a CB that is very good at blitzing. I remember when we had Nate Jones, he was that way. He wasn't very good in coverage, but he was a good special teams player and an excellent blitzer for a CB. So we could use him here and there to blitz and occasionally have him fake the blitz and drop in coverage.





YR

Those guys were great, you're talking like they're "try hard" players. Those guys are pro bowlers and all pros.

 

[mahoneybill]

They tried Lawrence at SDE and he was no match. His lack of size and length were a problem. He was gobbled up at that spot. Thats why we didnt see it anymore.

Was wondering why that happened, thanks for pointing this out.

 

[LatinMind]

That's the type of value i'd like to have in the 3rd round but i'm not sure if he's a guaranteed 3rd round pick. You don't think he could go earlier?

Yes but i think his medical history might keep him around there

 

[LatinMind]

Was wondering why that happened, thanks for pointing this out.

out of need. There was zero coming from Selvie at that point, and Spencer was just getting back too.

 

[reddyuta]

my plan-

1)get a stud DE in FA.

2)draft a 3tech to compliment Crawford

3)sign a FA CB after cutting Carr.

 

[dfense]

I forgot to add him hes there. But i think people expecting to see the same production from Mincey next yr will be disappointed. This was a career yr for him. I dont think he will be a factor next yr. He started because basically there was nobody else.

I think your dissin one of their best hustle players there.

and I don't see a future for Boatright.

 

[dfense]

my plan-

1)get a stud DE in FA.

2)draft a 3tech to compliment Crawford

3)sign a FA CB after cutting Carr.

I'll say it again. Jerry Hughes from the Bills. 4-3 DE in a 3-4 defense. 20 sacks the last two years.

 

[AshyLarry06]

Mark my words: we WILL sign a marquee, top-dollar DL this offseason. I just feel like the front office will put forth the money to grab a young, motivated BALLER because like myself, they realize that this defense can go from OK to GREAT with the addition of ONE dynamic D-Lineman. I understand those who don't think we will go out and sign the likes of Hardy or JPP based off the front office's recent strategy, but i truly believe they will slightly change their recent approach this year because we are that close to the Lombardi.

Personally, I hope we sign Hardy because, legal problems aside, the guy is a straight baller. He fits this defense with his fiery, passionate style and he was well-liked by all his Panther teammates so I really hope we go after him and get him on an incentive-laden deal.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I agree the Cowboys will TRY to pursue a Jason Pierre-Paul or Jerry Hughes in free agency; but they won't win any bidding wars.

 

[Clove]

I would not be upset if we had 3 new starters on the DLine. Bring in plenty of DLinemen, let them fight it out for the best. Don't care who you are, if you perform, you start.

 

[bayeslife]

I agree the Cowboys will TRY to pursue a Jason Pierre-Paul or Jerry Hughes in free agency; but they won't win any bidding wars.

Says who?

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I agree the Cowboys will TRY to pursue a Jason Pierre-Paul or Jerry Hughes in free agency; but they won't win any bidding wars.

If Jerry jones wants him bad enough he certainly will .

 

[jobberone]

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This is the latest depth chart which is obviously already outdated. Hamilton was cut. Durant on IR. Ro a question mark. Melton is on IR, too, I believe.

T Crawford-more a 3 than a DE
Selvie-have no idea if he makes the team
Mincey-candidate for starting DE possibly SDE would be my guess
Spencer-no idea if he stays but I'd resign him to play SDE
Lawrence-tweener SDE and WDE; probably ends up on the weak side as starting DE pending FA and draft
Boatright-no idea
Gardner-comes to camp to compete as SDE or maybe a rush 3
Odighizuwa-IDK who he is
J Crawford-??
Edwards-??

Top draft/FA needs:

1. Rush DE
2. FS
3. CBx2
4. 3

You can acquire long tackling CBs without using scarce resources; if you're careful and diligent. You cannot get the top two without getting lucky. FS is the easiest to predict in the first even as late as we pick. DE is hit and miss although you can find them at the bottom of the first and the first two days.

They need to be very careful and try to fill one or two of those four needs in FA.

 

[Wood]

Dallas needs pass rushers. But where Dallas will be drafting in round one all there is are tweeners, guys the size of Lawrence. And guys who are on par with Lawrence. Dallas doesnt need another RDE if they are going to go with Lawrence. And sure as hell dont need another DE the size of Lawrence. Am i the only one who thinks the best bet for the team is probably to look at FA? Do they just get these high motor types of guys in FA? Guys who hustle but arent superstars. Its clear Marinelli is not going to play the DL on high snap counts rather relying on a 1st unit and 2nd unit. Keeping the DL fresh.

RDE Mincey/Lawrence
LDE ?/Gardner/Boatright
3TECH Crawford/McClain/Coleman/Whaley
1TECH ?/Brent/Bishop/Okoye

How do the Cowboys fill in these 2 spots?

Not even going to worry about the 3TECH. Its fine.

Do the Cowboys switch McClain over to the 1TECH? The guy was awsome when on the field with Crawford. He was injured and we only got to see a few games where he was healthy. I wouldnt be mad to see he start over signing a high priced guy there. One guy i do like in FA would be Nick Fairley.

RDE i think is set. I think they will go with Mincey and Lawrence and let them battle it out. Dallas actually got decent production from that side of the DL. As a whole Dallas got 9 sacks from the both of them in the whole yr including playoffs. We saw a glimpse of what Lawrence could be. I think if he hits the weights and the filmroom he could start in 2015.

LDE is the problem IMO. No production at all this yr except for the last month that Spencer started to get his confidence. But unless he comes cheap, will he go with the money from another team? Hes going to be 31 on the 23rd. Its clear the team likes Spencer so does Make a move for a stud DE to play the strong side? Or draft a guy like Owamagbe Odighizuwa and sign Spencer and see what Garner has?

MY DL would look like:

RDE: Lawrence/Mincey/Odighizuwa
3TECH: Crawford/Coleman/Whaley
1TECH: McClain/Okoye/Bishop
LDE: JPP/Gardner

this conversation will be the key to their success in 2015. Mincey looks legit and Lawrence definitely flashed signs of being playmaker. At DT, Crawford looks like stud. We still don't know about Brent yet. I am taking DT/DE or QB in 1st round.

 

[xwalker]

Dallas gave up most of their runs to the outside, the inside gains were few in between. If there was a problem is was the run defense on the edge not the middle.

They overcompensated. They were keeping the LBs too far inside because the 1-tech was getting pushed back. Without the 1-tech requiring a double-team, it freed up a blocker to take out a LB.

 

[Wood]

Lions GM came out and said Suh is thir top priority. Hes not going anywhere.

then I would target Fairley or CB because they will pay thru nose to keep Suh.

 

[xwalker]

They tried Lawrence at SDE and he was no match. His lack of size and length were a problem. He was gobbled up at that spot. Thats why we didnt see it anymore.

That's nonsense. That sounds like something the morons on Talking Cowboys or The Lunch Break would say.