How Good does Jaylon Have to Be To Make Up for it?

[T-RO]

We get Jaylon for 4 seasons on his rookie contract. 25% of that is now spent. Jerry and the front office knew going into the selection that Smith wouldn't likely deliver anything in the first year of the contract.

So my question is...if we are only getting Smith for 3 years...that we can be sure of...and we made a significant sacrifice for the 2016 season in getting no production from that high #2 pick...how good must Smith be to make up for it...from a value standpoint?

 

[AbeBeta]

If he'd be worthy of a first round pick, it's a great deal.

So many firsts do nothing

 

[AzorAhai]

If he reaches the level people expected him to it doesn't matter if he missed a year. If he doesn't miss that year he's not here anyways. There's no need to over complicate it.

 

[waldoputty]

We get Jaylon for 4 seasons on his rookie contract. 25% of that is now spent. Jerry and the front office knew going into the selection that Smith wouldn't likely deliver anything in the first year of the contract.

So my question is...if we are only getting Smith for 3 years...that we can be sure of...and we made a significant sacrifice for the 2016 season in getting no production from that high #2 pick...how good must Smith be to make up for it...from a value standpoint?

The bar is not that high - see statistics of drafted players becoming multiple year starters (not necessarily stars)
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

 

[DFWJC]

If he'd be worthy of a first round pick, it's a great deal.

So many firsts do nothing

I think this.
He will need to play like a good 1st rounder

 

[Risen Star]

They implemented a new rule recently that allows a team to sign a player on their roster to another contact. They're calling it an "extension".

 

[Bowdown27]

This kid I followed his college career. He should have went so early. I thought he was going to be a steal. That said. I just want to see him make it back. He can be an unbelievable player in this league. Look at Sean when he's healthy.

 

[AbeBeta]

They implemented a new rule recently that allows a team to sign a player on their roster to another contact. They're calling it an "extension".

But really, would a player who had a team draft him, pay for his rehab, and invest in his recovery be open to re-signing? Seems like a long shot.

 

[T-RO]

They implemented a new rule recently that allows a team to sign a player on their roster to another contact. They're calling it an "extension".

No need for the snark. That's a separate transaction.

An extension is where a player gets big money....it should be appraised independently. There is no guarantee at all the player will stay with the club and for that reason, IMO...a player's draft pick investment should be focused on what he does during his rookie contract.

 

[T-RO]

In my view...in lieu of the selection (#34 overall) and in view of the loss of a season...and the risk he still might not play at all...he'll need to be a pro bowl player. Else the payoff isn't sufficient.

If he isn't I don't blame Jaylon...I just think the pick will have been ill-advised.

 

[Seven]

Dear Jesus,

Make the off-season stop........

 

[waldoputty]

No need for the snark. That's a separate transaction.

An extension is where a player gets big money....it should be appraised independently. There is no guarantee at all the player will stay with the club and for that reason, IMO...a player's draft pick investment should be focused on what he does during his rookie contract.

I am not sure if this is true.
I have heard that at the end of his contract, he would be a restricted FA due to missing this year.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

No need for the snark. That's a separate transaction.

An extension is where a player gets big money....it should be appraised independently. There is no guarantee at all the player will stay with the club and for that reason, IMO...a player's draft pick investment should be focused on what he does during his rookie contract.

We are getting ahead of oueselves, bloated kin!
Jaylon, as of this week, has done SQUAT!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nightman]

No need for the snark. That's a separate transaction.

An extension is where a player gets big money....it should be appraised independently. There is no guarantee at all the player will stay with the club and for that reason, IMO...a player's draft pick investment should be focused on what he does during his rookie contract.

DAL saved 18m on the draft slot so if they have to Franchise tag him in year 5 they are still ahead

Hopefully it won't come to that and he signs a Lee like deal in 2019

 

[waldoputty]

We are getting ahead of oueselves, bloated kin!
Jaylon, as of this week, has done SQUAT!!!!!!!!!

Not exactly.
Jaylon has been performing ancient chinese secret twitter torture on all of us.
So I was say he needs to be exceed the typical bar for a high 2nd round pick.

 

[T-RO]

I am not sure if this is true.
I have heard that at the end of his contract, he would be a restricted FA due to missing this year.

spotrac lists him as UFA after four years. Maybe that's incorrect based on details of his service...perhaps the site hasn't been updated.

I do see that we are only paying him 6.5 mil thru the contract, so if things work out and he can deliver...we get a hell of a deal.

I find it an interesting intellectual question. It's a bit like this:
If you couldn't have any sex for x number of years...but then could enjoy yourself in unlimited fashion with someone approximating the looks of Kim Kardashian or Scarlett Johansen.... would it make up for it?

 

[T-RO]

We are getting ahead of oueselves, bloated kin!
Jaylon, as of this week, has done SQUAT!!!!!!!!!

That's all calculated into the question of the thread. If he can't play at all...it obviously wasn't a good pick!

 

[Tabascocat]

spotrac lists him as UFA after four years. Maybe that's incorrect based on details of his service...perhaps the site hasn't been updated.

I do see that we are only paying him 6.5 mil thru the contract, so if things work out and he can deliver...we get a hell of a deal.

I find it an interesting intellectual question. It's a bit like this:
If you couldn't have any sex for x number of years...but then could enjoy yourself in unlimited fashion with someone approximating the looks of Kim Kardashian or Scarlett Johansen.... would it make up for it?

Ya just had to use Kim Krustacean as an example?? I would go back to being celibate

 

[waldoputty]

spotrac lists him as UFA after four years. Maybe that's incorrect based on details of his service...perhaps the site hasn't been updated.

I do see that we are only paying him 6.5 mil thru the contract, so if things work out and he can deliver...we get a hell of a deal.

I find it an interesting intellectual question. It's a bit like this:
If you couldn't have any sex for x number of years...but then could enjoy yourself in unlimited fashion with someone approximating the looks of Kim Kardashian or Scarlett Johansen.... would it make up for it?

ah, one time with scarlett would make up for 2 years for me
you can have kim - no thanks

 

[waldoputty]

That's all calculated into the question of the thread. If he can't play at all...it obviously wasn't a good pick!

this is the way I think of it:
25% of getting probowler
25% of getting starter
50% of getting nothing or marginal player
Personally, that is a high 2nd round pick well spent - particularly when you compare that to the stats i posed earlier.