How Good does Jaylon Have to Be To Make Up for it?

[T-RO]

Ya just had to use Kim Krustacean as an example?? I would go back to being celibate

I said someone that looks like her...or looks like Scarlett.

 

[T-RO]

this is the way I think of it:
25% of getting probowler
25% of getting starter
50% of getting nothing or marginal player
Personally, that is a high 2nd round pick well spent - particularly when you compare that to the stats i posed earlier.

Yeah...I can see that.

But unless he's pro bowl level...or just under it...I don't think it was worth it. We really could have gotten some value for that #34. We could be still playing.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Yeah...I can see that.

But unless he's pro bowl level...or just under it...I don't think it was worth it. We really could have gotten some value for that #34. We could be still playing.

I think that's what he'll be if he still has pre injury measurables. Pro bowl/just below type. I don't see first team all pro but hope I'm wrong

 

[big dog cowboy]

So my question is...if we are only getting Smith for 3 years...that we can be sure of...and we made a significant sacrifice for the 2016 season in getting no production from that high #2 pick...how good must Smith be to make up for it...from a value standpoint?

He was considered a top 3 player in last years draft pre injury. If he returns to 90% of what he once was the only question being asked is why no other team took a chance on him before the Cowboys did.

 

[waldoputty]

Yeah...I can see that.

But unless he's pro bowl level...or just under it...I don't think it was worth it. We really could have gotten some value for that #34. We could be still playing.

Right - but that is what the draft is and why only 55% of 2nd LB picks become multiyear starters.
Based on the number of starting LBs and # of probowler LBs, I would bet less than 20% of 2nd LB picks become probowlers.
I just look at the simple statistics.
That is not a 'fair' expectation of a high 2nd pick.
In fact, not even a fair expectation of a mid 1st pick.

 

[T-RO]

Right - but that is what the draft is and why only 55% of 2nd LB picks become multiyear starters.
Based on the number of starting LBs and # of probowler LBs, I would bet less than 20% of 2nd LB picks become probowlers.
I just look at the simple statistics.
That is not a 'fair' expectation of a high 2nd pick.
In fact, not even a fair expectation of a mid 1st pick.

It's fair expectation of a top 10 pick, and that's what Jaylon is w/no injury. We lose the year in exchange for possibly an elite talent.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Pretty sure a high 2nd round pick is considerably cheaper than a top 5 pick (where he would've gone if healthy). So we probably end up paying less over 4 years with his currently salary than we would've paid in 3 years if he went top 5.

 

[waldoputty]

It's fair expectation of a top 10 pick, and that's what Jaylon is w/no injury. We lose the year in exchange for possibly an elite talent.

I think we took jaylon with the expectation that he may lose something from the injury.
it is just he is starting from a very high point so losing a step will still result in a very good player.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

It would be awesome if Tapper and Smith can turn into players. We really need some good young talent on the defense to match what we have on offense. Seems like we just drafted Lawrence and now he's already going into a contract year. You need to get production out of guys on rookie contracts to be successful. Can't pay 22 veterans.

 

[StarBoyz83]

It would be awesome if Tapper and Smith can turn into players. We really need some good young talent on the defense to match what we have on offense. Seems like we just drafted Lawrence and now he's already going into a contract year. You need to get production out of guys on rookie contracts to be successful. Can't pay 22 veterans.

Doesnt seem that long at all. dlaw would have to have a huge year to even consider resigning him unfortunately. We just can hit on defense at all. Brown might be a player though.

 

[willia451]

He has to be at least as good as Chris Jones has been for the Chiefs.

Since we passed on him.

Or Henry Hunter. Who could have truly been our Witten of the future.

So............there ya go.

 

[jobberone]

Dear Jesus,

Make the off-season stop........

LOL. It just started.

 

[jobberone]

He needs to contribute a significant number of snaps to be worth the pick. You compare him to all 2nd round picks not the hype he was to be All Pro then HOF first ballot.

 

[Vinnie2u]

I'm still waiting on the Mods to create a Jaylons Nerve Forum.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Ya just had to use Kim Krustacean as an example?? I would go back to being celibate

Agreed. Nothing good comes from her nether regions.

 

[Bullflop]

I think the rating of Jaylon's play should be worthy of the truth and not just something generated by the local media's hype. If he's good enough to be worthy of high praise, so be it but if he's not, his evaluation should not be overstated. I would hope that's the case when his playing time arrives. I know that's asking a lot from a team's local media but it's merely asking for the truth, for the benefit of the team and its fans.

 

[LandryFan]

We get Jaylon for 4 seasons on his rookie contract. 25% of that is now spent. Jerry and the front office knew going into the selection that Smith wouldn't likely deliver anything in the first year of the contract.

So my question is...if we are only getting Smith for 3 years...that we can be sure of...and we made a significant sacrifice for the 2016 season in getting no production from that high #2 pick...how good must Smith be to make up for it...from a value standpoint?

He must be good enough to earn a second contract. If he doesn't, that means either that he didn't heal properly, thus negatively impacting his play, or he that did heal properly but didn't live up to expectations.
Bottom line, he must recover from injury and play well.

 

[bark]

I'm still waiting on the Mods to create a Jaylons Nerve Forum.

THE NERVE ZONE

 

[TNCowboy]

There were a bunch of good players drafted in the picks following Smith. Sterling Shepherd, Deion Jones, Jarran Reed, Michael Thomas, etc.

We forfeited selecting a number of players who could have helped us last season, in addition to the next 4. Considering the risk associated with him and missing an entire year right out of the gate, Jaylon Smith needs to be better than those guys. If he's not an impact player next season, it was a bad pick.

 

[YosemiteSam]

We get Jaylon for 4 seasons on his rookie contract. 25% of that is now spent. Jerry and the front office knew going into the selection that Smith wouldn't likely deliver anything in the first year of the contract.

So my question is...if we are only getting Smith for 3 years...that we can be sure of...and we made a significant sacrifice for the 2016 season in getting no production from that high #2 pick...how good must Smith be to make up for it...from a value standpoint?

He would need to be a perfect blend of all these guys. Patrick Willis, Mike Singletary, Jack Lambert, Ray Nitschke, Junior Seau, Dick Butkus, and Ray Lewis