How good was the Arkansas OLine?
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TheKey;2064672 said:
I was mostly DMac and Felix, their o-line was nothing to brag about.
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It was Run DMC... when Felix had big runs they were from 2 things! the D was focused on McFadden and they relaxed when he was on the bench! I dont know if that will work in the pros but we will find out!
he is a Cowboy so I guess we should over look all that and call him the next Emmitt/Irvin... Reggie Bush... Thurman Thomas... Gayle Sayers... Jesus of Nazareth what ever u prefer!!!
he is a Cowboy so I guess we should over look all that and call him the next Emmitt/Irvin... Reggie Bush... Thurman Thomas... Gayle Sayers... Jesus of Nazareth what ever u prefer!!!
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I have a hard time believing they "relaxed" when Felix came in when his average was around 9 yards per carry. The defenses just had their handfuls with two very explosive running backs.MONT17;2064707 said:
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MONT17;2064707 said:
Thats absurd. I love when fans think they know what the actual mentality of a player is during a game. They quit. They let up. They didn't come to play. All BS. I guess they "relaxed" for 2 years and never caught on to the fact that Jones was running past em.
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I am sure the OL must of at the very least knew the snap count more often then not...
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on both RBs that is out there..the Hogs OL opened some gapping holes for these guys to hit.
Now whether that is great OL play or just lesser opponents they were playing against that allowed it..I'm not that knowledgeable.
But you can't just give all credit to these backs as getting it on their own.
There was also apparent downfield blocking, too, coming from their WRs.
So I think yes, the RBs have the talent, but the Hog OL was giving these guys the holes. I mean look at many of Felix's runs. He gets the ball and hits a crease off tackle and he's gone.
It didn't take pancake blocks to spring these guys, but the block was there.
Which begs the question..which RB will be better..?
DMAC in Oakland with their OL or Felix Jones in Dallas with theirs..?
Now I think people will understand what is coming if they think in those terms.
That little distinction tells you why Dallas didn't make any trade for DMAC and when it came to having a choice b/w Mendenhall or Felix Jones..
..it all ended up with Felix Jones being selected and being the better value and better fit.
Our OL is not a dominating run blocking line. Julius Jones with all his speed never really could hit the holes there quickly despite his speed. MBIII is quicker off the ball and gets to the hole quicker while it's there and then makes the rest on his own.
Felix Jones has well above-average quickness off the ball, like MBIII. Because we don't laydown alot of road-grader blocking for the backs to choose their holes..
..for a RB to succeed with us, it's got to be about seeing and hitting the hole quickly and decisively. Add Felix Jone's flatout speed plus his quickness..
and he's going to see instant success at RB with us.
DMAC in Oakland is going to produce, but he's not going to have the immediate impact that Felix Jones will have in Dallas as their OL is not hardly collegate grade, yet..
And Mendenhall in Pittsburg is just an unknown guy with his single year of production and he's going to have to wait and see if splitting the carries in Pittsburg is going to help or hurt him there.
No way to know how that's going to take as Willie Parker is their featured RB and will get the majority of the carries and Mendenhall will be like MBIII is here in Dallas, short yardage and redzone carry heavy.
Will that be enough for Mendenhall to show well or will he need to have 20+ carries a game to get it going..? And will there be enough carries to go around at all in Pittsburg..?
Pittsburg has had problems with holding on to leads because they have had defensive lapses recently and often played from behind..which means throwing the ball alot more than they like to in 2nd halfs of games.
This means less RB touches overall..so now how many RB carries will Mendenhall really have if that continues..?
Nope, our OL like the Hogs OL, will compliment Felix Jones and his running styles and overall, we took the right guy with the right skill set at the right time with the right pieces in place to maximize the player.
Not even a doubt in my mind.
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Now whether that is great OL play or just lesser opponents they were playing against that allowed it..I'm not that knowledgeable.
But you can't just give all credit to these backs as getting it on their own.
There was also apparent downfield blocking, too, coming from their WRs.
So I think yes, the RBs have the talent, but the Hog OL was giving these guys the holes. I mean look at many of Felix's runs. He gets the ball and hits a crease off tackle and he's gone.
It didn't take pancake blocks to spring these guys, but the block was there.
Which begs the question..which RB will be better..?
DMAC in Oakland with their OL or Felix Jones in Dallas with theirs..?
Now I think people will understand what is coming if they think in those terms.
That little distinction tells you why Dallas didn't make any trade for DMAC and when it came to having a choice b/w Mendenhall or Felix Jones..
..it all ended up with Felix Jones being selected and being the better value and better fit.
Our OL is not a dominating run blocking line. Julius Jones with all his speed never really could hit the holes there quickly despite his speed. MBIII is quicker off the ball and gets to the hole quicker while it's there and then makes the rest on his own.
Felix Jones has well above-average quickness off the ball, like MBIII. Because we don't laydown alot of road-grader blocking for the backs to choose their holes..
..for a RB to succeed with us, it's got to be about seeing and hitting the hole quickly and decisively. Add Felix Jone's flatout speed plus his quickness..
and he's going to see instant success at RB with us.
DMAC in Oakland is going to produce, but he's not going to have the immediate impact that Felix Jones will have in Dallas as their OL is not hardly collegate grade, yet..
And Mendenhall in Pittsburg is just an unknown guy with his single year of production and he's going to have to wait and see if splitting the carries in Pittsburg is going to help or hurt him there.
No way to know how that's going to take as Willie Parker is their featured RB and will get the majority of the carries and Mendenhall will be like MBIII is here in Dallas, short yardage and redzone carry heavy.
Will that be enough for Mendenhall to show well or will he need to have 20+ carries a game to get it going..? And will there be enough carries to go around at all in Pittsburg..?
Pittsburg has had problems with holding on to leads because they have had defensive lapses recently and often played from behind..which means throwing the ball alot more than they like to in 2nd halfs of games.
This means less RB touches overall..so now how many RB carries will Mendenhall really have if that continues..?
Nope, our OL like the Hogs OL, will compliment Felix Jones and his running styles and overall, we took the right guy with the right skill set at the right time with the right pieces in place to maximize the player.
Not even a doubt in my mind.
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TheKey;2064672 said:
I think it was a good line but defensive units were not worried about Ark. Passing game at all and thus both DMAC and Jones faced a lot of stacked fronts and yet both produced at a high level.
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TheKey;2064672 said:
The starting center (Jonathan Luigs) is really good and might be the No. 1 center in the draft next year. Other than that, it was mainly JAGs.
Look at two of the starters who were available in this year's draft: Nate Garner was taken in the sixth round and Robert Felton wasn't drafted.
The other two starters aren't likely to be drafted, either, IMO.
Now, Arkansas did a pretty good job of putting a body on a body and letting the backs do their thing. Felix was especially good at cutting off the blocks and setting them up, while McFadden was great at taking advantage of a seam.
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MONT17;2064707 said:
It's ludicrous to suggest that a team relaxed when Felix Jones was in the game.
Hell even George W. new Arkansas was no threat to throw the ball. If anything they loaded up the run even more when McFadden was on the bench because they new he wasn't a threat to throw the ball. Jeebus where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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gimmesix;2065300 said:
This post is exactly right regarding the OL.
There's no question Felix benefitted from defenses keying on McFadden but what made Felix special was what he was able to do once he got in space. The scheme and DMac may have allowed him to gain the edge, but once he got out there, it was all him.
He plays MUCH faster than his 40 time and is quick and shifty. The best comparison is Reggie Bush. He's probably not suited to be a workorse back but he'll be very dangerous getting 12-15 touches a game.
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dre1614;2064795 said:
I think you can round 8.7 to 9
Oh and if Felix can get close to half of that with us we are golden. 4-4.5/carry
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Even if the O-line did do a good job, Arkansas had ZERO passing game to worry about. Their QB play was beyond horrible.
So teams knew they were running it, and still couldn't stop them.
So teams knew they were running it, and still couldn't stop them.
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If you watched their games, you can't deny that both backs had huge holes to run through quite a bit. Ugoh turned out to be a spectacular tackle in Indy. Not sure why Robert Felton went undrafted but he was a really good guard. He even played both tackle positions and graded out nicely.
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I'll tell you what's interesting to me.
If you study Jones, his APC goes down every year from the 1st half to the 2nd half, pretty steady.
In 05, he averaged 7.8 YPC 1st half. In the 2nd half 5.07.
In 06, he averaged 8.96 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 6.07.
In 07, he averaged 10.2 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 7.8. (1 big game in the second half of 07. 166 yards on 13 carries. Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87.
Still very respectable numbers, even with the decline but there is a definate drop of in the second half of the season. Kinda makes me wonder about all these guys who say he's a carry the load back.
The schedule for Arkansas was not all that great either. Not saying the SEC is ever easy but there schedule was a lot easier early rather then late.
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If you study Jones, his APC goes down every year from the 1st half to the 2nd half, pretty steady.
In 05, he averaged 7.8 YPC 1st half. In the 2nd half 5.07.
In 06, he averaged 8.96 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 6.07.
In 07, he averaged 10.2 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 7.8. (1 big game in the second half of 07. 166 yards on 13 carries. Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87.
Still very respectable numbers, even with the decline but there is a definate drop of in the second half of the season. Kinda makes me wonder about all these guys who say he's a carry the load back.
The schedule for Arkansas was not all that great either. Not saying the SEC is ever easy but there schedule was a lot easier early rather then late.
Troy
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Kentucky
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Chattanooga
Auburn
Miss.
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Ole Miss
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