How long will it take to revamp the defensive personel?

[XxTDxX]

It's tough when you give slightly above average CB's like Carr $50Mil deals

 

[17yearsandcounting]

It's tough when you give slightly above average CB's like Carr $50Mil deals

He got flat out destroyed tonight. He was stealing out there.

 

[XxTDxX]

He got flat out destroyed tonight. He was stealing out there.

He doesn't even really give much effort tackling and he rarely presses up at the LOS yet he is supposed to be a physical corner? gotta get some guys in here who are motivated by pride and winning and not just money because you end up with Brandon Carr, Bruce Carter, and Morris Claiborne

 

[KB1122]

Longer than Romo has window. That's all that really matters.

 

[XxTDxX]

Longer than Romo has window. That's all that really matters.

This. Which is why the offense needs to be one of the best in the league if we have a shot at competing

 

[SJRTX]

With the salary cap issues they'll have next year, what can you do?

Both OLB's are just bad. They can't tackle or contain on the edge. What an incredible bust Carter the lineman magnet is. Sims is gone next year.

Hatcher is leaving for $. DeMarcus is no DE. They may be better off trading him to a 3-4 team now to get value. Lee may be the only guy left in the front seven.

Draft DE, DT, OLB, DE, DT, Any picks left?

It would be faster to go back to the 3-4 we were built for and.... Drafting and paying top FA for a very short time ago.

People may think I'm nuts but, if I were running the team, I might have a long talk with Wes Phillips about what he knows about 3-4 defense. After all, he's eventually going to be someone's DC, and will prob have success with it like 2 generations before him. No doubt he will make his mark, just when and where.

 

[SJRTX]

He doesn't even really give much effort tackling and he rarely presses up at the LOS yet he is supposed to be a physical corner? gotta get some guys in here who are motivated by pride and winning and not just money because you end up with Brandon Carr, Bruce Carter, and Morris Claiborne

Do you think he chooses when to jam at the LOS? I won't argue that he was paid more than his value, but at the time, given the market and trying to shore up Newman being cut, we picked the best CB for Ryan's type of defense. Then we turn around and draft the best possible corner for that same scheme.

Shortly after, we decide to totally go in a different direction than what these players are built to play. If in the pros you are splitting hairs, how can you afford to run a defense using completely different player models than the scheme calls for? Or do you compromise your scheme to make up for the fact you don't have the proper personnel? Kinda like how we used to complain about not having a true NT with Ratliff. Either way you are half ***ed in your scheme, and will get exploited. Going to this scheme after so much investment into Ryan's was a mistake.

 

[NumOneQB]

It needs to start right up front. Cows need to draft the best DT available to them on the 1st day. Grabbing a DE & Lber on the 1st day would be a necessity as well.
The offense is Average/Slightly Above Average which is enough to win in today's NFL. Defense needs to be the focus for the next 2 drafts.

I can sit here and type up a highly detailed plan but it's all moot as the man making decisions on draft day often does so on a whim, literally. Jerruh is known to throw months of research out the window due to some backwoods gut feeling when it's time to make a pick. No amount of preparation can account for stupidity .

 

[XxTDxX]

Do you think he chooses when to jam at the LOS? I won't argue that he was paid more than his value, but at the time, given the market and trying to shore up Newman being cut, we picked the best CB for Ryan's type of defense. Then we turn around and draft the best possible corner for that same scheme.

Shortly after, we decide to totally go in a different direction than what these players are built to play. If in the pros you are splitting hairs, how can you afford to run a defense using completely different player models than the scheme calls for? Or do you compromise your scheme to make up for the fact you don't have the proper personnel? Kinda like how we used to complain about not having a true NT with Ratliff. Either way you are half ***ed in your scheme, and will get exploited. Going to this scheme after so much investment into Ryan's was a mistake.

I agree with you partially but at the end of the day he has been bad in both man and zone coverage.. He has certainly made a few big plays in his time here but with guys like Sean Smith, DRC, Cary Williams, and Tracy Porter getting 5 mil per yr just last season I think there is no other way to look at the Carr signing other than negatively at this point.

 

[SJRTX]

Can't have a draft plan when the coach and the DC aren't even settled on. At some point we have to get a HC, that picks his guys, and let him run with it. If his DC isn't getting it done, then let the HC get and let the HC be the one to find the next guy.

At some point there has to be one vision and a staff that coheres to that, not 5 or 6 and we appease them all.

 

[SJRTX]

I agree with you partially but at the end of the day he has been bad in both man and zone coverage.. He has certainly made a few big plays in his time here but with guys like Sean Smith, DRC, Cary Williams, and Tracy Porter getting 5 mil per yr just last season I think there is no other way to look at the Carr signing other than negatively at this point.

I don't disagree but once we are in neck deep, it's easy to second guess. I criticize the Jones family for the constant big contract offers they have made to guys who were lifetime nobodies who suddenly have a great season when a contract is due. I'm sure we would have paid Laureant Robinson if we hadn't already been reeling from the Austin mistake (which is how he even got a chance if I recall- Austin's hamstring), some other sucker did though (jags).

But we badly needed a corner since we cut Newman , and one that fit with the defense we were going forward with at the time after hiring Ryan. And at that time it was down to an aging Cortland Finnegan, and Carr who had way more upside.

I find it hard to criticize a guy when he isn't playing in his natural habitat. Even if he does play press man from time to time, he doesn't have the speed for zone. And taking away his time from jamming receivers just gets him rusty at what he's meant to do.

 

[TimHortons]

We need to figure out what scheme we're going to be running first. Monte will not be here for long anyway, we should fire him, go back to a 34 and call it a mulligan. We were built for a (mainly) man coverage 34, and we still have the necessary pieces to be at least average in that scheme while the DL is rebuilt. That would take a lot less time than rebuilding from scratch for a 43 and a coordinator that could croak any day now. Time is not on this teams side

 

[kevm3]

Carr got spanked tonight as did the rest of the secondary, but what do you expect when you have league cast-offs on your line who are unable to touch the qb all night? We need a REAL HC and a GM. Firing Kiffen will be the same smoke and magic show we saw last year with Rob Ryan.

 

[IrishAnto]

First you need to pick a scheme and stick with it.

Second you need to draft well (for both offense, defense).

Can we do either?

You can’t afford to spend all your draft picks over the next two-three years on just one side of the ball, so you have to pick to fit the scheme you’re running.

And we can’t keep missing on or wasting first and second round picks on players who can’t play or we cant use.

How many 1st or 2nd round picks that Dallas have made (or trades away for picks or players) since DeMarcus Ware was picked in 2005 were on the filed and effective last night?

I can think of four: Smith, Bryant, Lee and Frederick.

With that sort of success it’s a minor miracle we’ve won 7 games.

 

[SJRTX]

Yep. First we need to pick a coach and let him run with it on his own. Kinda hard to point fingers at one single individual when the HC isn't even hiring his own people.

I don't disagree with what JG is trying to do, as far as trying to get RKG type of guys, but I don't think he has anyone's attention because no one sees him as the real boss either.

Ya know I'd take just about any available experienced HC right now as long as they were able to have 100% control and decision making. Wade might have even been alright had he not been neutered by JJ.

As it stands I don't think any reputable HC wants to soil his resume by working here and being told by JJ on how to do his job.