How long will Kellen be here ? As OC and later as HC

[Swagger]

Since him and Rayne are a package deal and Rayne will be due an early 4 yr extension next year, I'll go out on a limb and say 5 years.

Oh no!

 

[basel90]

Eagles fan aren't you...

Those players are not a burden on the cap. How can they have $23 million in cap space then?
Who cares what PFF rankings are. They mean crap. Just someones opinion on some formula they wrote. I can do that and come up with a list as well. But it doesn't mean crap either.

All QB's miss those throws, but yet Dak is in the top 10 easily, and been shown top 5 in accuracy as to completion %. Dak has proved better than Hurts. Where do you get he hasn't, that is insane to think that way.
Dak has a lot of 4th quarter come back wins, but he folds? 10 4th quarter comebacks, 17 game winning drives.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=PresDa01

Jalen hurts, in his limited time...2...
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=HurtJa00
oh and Hurts is 9-10 as a starter...not even .500 so is that saying he is a loser...yes it is...

My reply was very accurate.

Yes the Eagles improved, but not more so than Dallas. As I said, they are about even in that area. Dallas fans do not want to admit to that. It is ok to admit it, no one will think you are a homer. Oh, wait, on this place they do. Need to hate on the team to be part of the "in" crowd.

you are confusing objectivity with you love for dak and being a blind homer. You are minimizing the roster mistakes and costs associated with the signing of zeke and dak and dlaw ? anyone who knows football knows the cowboys overpaid\. Do you know Dak got paid 75 million last season . Zeke roster hit around 21 mil , crazy money !!!

Dak had every chance in the last 6 years to make a difference and has not . 23% winning percentage against winning teams , and 1 playoff win !!! you call that a top 10 QB .?? Even Dak's most ardent supporters ( if you want to discount PFF). have had enough talk and not results from dak . many teams consider dak in the 15 th rankingh. The accuracy you keep refereiring to is usually against bad teams in the NFCE ( which you seem to also think are trash) and in futile comeback attempts . Dak has missed many opportunities in very winnable games. At crunch time he folds. Many overpaid members of the team have also folded not only him.

One last note , Hurts has not proven a lot yet, but his upside can eclipse dak, if dak doesn't show up this coming season. You watch .

 

[Cowfan75]

If Moore just keeps his mouth shut and waves him pom poms, I still say he will be the next HC. There is a reason he is repeatedly promoted without actually accomplishing anything here. The guy IS Jason Garrett, and that's what Daddy wants. Wins/losses just doesn't matter compared to the credit Jerry thinks he'll get if we ever actually win something. Look at Mike. While I don't think he's a great HC, he at least tells it like it is...or closer to what it is, in terms of this being "not like any other organization". Hard truths are not what Jerry wants to hear, from any coach or player. Speak right, do the right things, be a "great" guy, and the rest will take care of itself.

 

[Vtwin]

13 years.

As OC for the remaining 3 years of MM's contract and as HC for the next 10 years.
By that time John Stephen will have had a couple years as QB coach, 1 year as OC and be ready for a couple decades as HC.

 

[CouchCoach]

We can speculate about Moore and his future but the fact we cannot ignore is that the HC was told to stay out of the play calling in that playoff game. Unless you think McC forbade himself to get involved in his first playoff game as the DC HC. Never in the history of post playoff game pc's has any HC done what McC did. I did not think I could be shocked by the shenanigans of this team but that did it.

When he said that, I wondered about the reactions from the Joneses, the other coaches but not the players. I think they realize this is a team unlike any other they've ever played on with the involvement of the owners and every other team they've ever been on, college to the NFL for some, the locker room has always been the HC's domain.

So, was McC hired as a trainer for Moore until they felt comfortable he could take over? The son was able to sell Booger on Garrett replacing Phillips so is he the backer of Moore or is that Booger himself not giving up on training his own HC to claim the title of "football man"?

Why do any of us care who gets that job? It will be in name only without the power associated with it.

When he bought the club and announced he was in it from "jocks to socks", we didn't recognize that as a warning.

Bottom line is he owns it and can do whatever he wants with it and we are nothing more than witnesses.

 

[jazzcat22]

you are confusing objectivity with you love for dak and being a blind homer. You are minimizing the roster mistakes and costs associated with the signing of zeke and dak and dlaw ? anyone who knows football knows the cowboys overpaid\. Do you know Dak got paid 75 million last season . Zeke roster hit around 21 mil , crazy money !!!

Dak had every chance in the last 6 years to make a difference and has not . 23% winning percentage against winning teams , and 1 playoff win !!! you call that a top 10 QB .?? Even Dak's most ardent supporters ( if you want to discount PFF). have had enough talk and not results from dak . many teams consider dak in the 15 th rankingh. The accuracy you keep refereiring to is usually against bad teams in the NFCE ( which you seem to also think are trash) and in futile comeback attempts . Dak has missed many opportunities in very winnable games. At crunch time he folds. Many overpaid members of the team have also folded not only him.

One last note , Hurts has not proven a lot yet, but his upside can eclipse dak, if dak doesn't show up this coming season. You watch .

I stopped reading at the blind homer and love for Dak comment.
Neither are true. So anything you posted after that is lost.

I criticize the team and Dak when and if needed , so therefore you are wrong about that.
You are blinded by your hate…

Go back to your Eagles forum and take your cronies with you.

 

[JoeKing]

Kellen Moore is loved by the Jones Family.

No, they are still allowing bad art into the stadium.

You don't like the art, so it's "bad"? Maybe it's awesome without your approval.

 

[jazzcat22]

Kellen Moore is loved by the Jones Family.

You don't like the art, so it's "bad"? Maybe it's awesome without your approval.

It is not that I like it or don’t like it. I think it is way over hyped. So I make jokes about it. That is better than ragging about other crap all the time.

Some rag about 26 years, I rag about over hyped art.

 

[fivetwos]

We can speculate about Moore and his future but the fact we cannot ignore is that the HC was told to stay out of the play calling in that playoff game. Unless you think McC forbade himself to get involved in his first playoff game as the DC HC. Never in the history of post playoff game pc's has any HC done what McC did. I did not think I could be shocked by the shenanigans of this team but that did it.

When he said that, I wondered about the reactions from the Joneses, the other coaches but not the players. I think they realize this is a team unlike any other they've ever played on with the involvement of the owners and every other team they've ever been on, college to the NFL for some, the locker room has always been the HC's domain.

So, was McC hired as a trainer for Moore until they felt comfortable he could take over? The son was able to sell Booger on Garrett replacing Phillips so is he the backer of Moore or is that Booger himself not giving up on training his own HC to claim the title of "football man"?

Why do any of us care who gets that job? It will be in name only without the power associated with it.

When he bought the club and announced he was in it from "jocks to socks", we didn't recognize that as a warning.

Bottom line is he owns it and can do whatever he wants with it and we are nothing more than witnesses.

Great post.

Im figuring yes, but did you hear MMs initial comments after the whole 'will he be fired' thing in January?

He sounded truly taken aback by how this organization is run.

We can all conclude what we wish from that info, but it leads me to believe that Jerry is still very involved in steering his puppet.

Only the first coach under Jerry actually chose his own coordinators, and there doesn't seem to be the slightest bit of thinking on his part that maybe that doesn't work....yet he is supposed to be some great owner.

 

[fivetwos]

What concerns me about KM is normalization of deviance. The term normalization of deviance was coined by sociologist Diane Vaughan in her analysis of the Challenger space shuttle disaster.

Basically, the term means the process by which incorrect behavior or the negation of rules becomes ingrained or normalized in a culture.

Although KM grew up in a football family, he has spent the bulk of his professional career - both as a player and as a coach - with the Dallas Cowboys. My point is this - to a large extent, his cultural "role models" are the dysfunctional Jones FO. I would be mildly surprised if he becomes anything more than Garrett 2 point 0.

One of the more interesting takes I've seen around here in a while.

Can't say I disagree.

 

[75boyz]

One of the more interesting takes I've seen around here in a while.

Can't say I disagree.

Yeah. I see how these cultural shortcomings specific to this team could affect both player and coaches.

It is close to impossible that any coach or player can not become an eventual product of this toxic environment of mediocrity.

Thats why I sincerely hope Parsons can maintain his edge, hunger and generational talent to become all that he can be while being surrounded by so many hypocrites within this organization.

I truly wish the best for the young man even if its with another team.

 

[basel90]

I stopped reading at the blind homer and love for Dak comment.
Neither are true. So anything you posted after that is lost.

I criticize the team and Dak when and if needed , so therefore you are wrong about that.
You are blinded by your hate…

Go back to your Eagles forum and take your cronies with you.

You contradict yourself and resort to name calling and questioning a cowboys fan for criticism Dak your beloved QB , who has done nothing worth anywhere his contract .
If I was an eagles fan I would want Dak to continue , he scares no one . 6 years and counting , 1 playoff win !!! Enjoy .

 

[jazzcat22]

You contradict yourself and resort to name calling and questioning a cowboys fan for criticism Dak your beloved QB , who has done nothing worth anywhere his contract .
If I was an eagles fan I would want Dak to continue , he scares no one . 6 years and counting , 1 playoff win !!! Enjoy .

Your comprehension is not very good.

 

[DandyDon52]

Not taking advantage of one-on-one coverage the 49ers were giving during the playoff game. As Troy Aikman said, he and Michael Irvin would have feasted off the coverage San Francisco was giving. Either Moore was unsure of his quarterback or unsure of his receivers. Either way, it's a major blunder. That's what practice is for. You coach your team up to take advantage of what the defense is doing.

Too many curl and hook routes.

We're just too dang predictable. Always have been.

yes he is too dang predictable !lol
he does not utilize the talent he has properly and is not that innovative, fails to adjust during games.
he is like JG in that he takes what he thinks the defense gives him, and he does same stuff over and over.
Kurt Warner showed many of his flaws in the videos he did on cowboys.

 

[DandyDon52]

You contradict yourself and resort to name calling and questioning a cowboys fan for criticism Dak your beloved QB , who has done nothing worth anywhere his contract .
If I was an eagles fan I would want Dak to continue , he scares no one . 6 years and counting , 1 playoff win !!! Enjoy .

I am not a dak fan, and he is somewhat mediocre, but he has always played for bad coaches.
It is hard for any qb to overcome a bad game plan and poor play designs, and poor play calling.

Only linehan did a good job back in 2016, where he designed the offense for dak. Then they threw that in the trash and went back to
the usual offense.
Linehan got run out of town, but really looking back he did better than any others.
He got the one playoff win I think and helped dallas to playoffs twice or 3 times?

So far mike and kellen have only 1 playoff appearance and that was a disaster.

 

[DandyDon52]

What concerns me about KM is normalization of deviance. The term normalization of deviance was coined by sociologist Diane Vaughan in her analysis of the Challenger space shuttle disaster.

Basically, the term means the process by which incorrect behavior or the negation of rules becomes ingrained or normalized in a culture.

Although KM grew up in a football family, he has spent the bulk of his professional career - both as a player and as a coach - with the Dallas Cowboys. My point is this - to a large extent, his cultural "role models" are the dysfunctional Jones FO. I would be mildly surprised if he becomes anything more than Garrett 2 point 0.

good post, normalization of deviance., had not heard that term before.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I think Kellen gets a pass on last years wc fiasco, and he will be OC for next 2-3 years regardless
of results.
After that I figure Jerry and his boy aka the jones boys, make him HC, probably for a 10 year period.
Again no matter results, 10 years !

I think they are going to try and make a HC out of him like they did with JG.

I dont think payton would come here, and if he did would he take Kellen as OC?? LOL I dont think so,
payton likes to run his own offense and call plays.

Would Dan Quinn take the HC job? would he take Kellen as OC? Both are possible, but I doubt
dan would want to be saddled with a independent OC as mike agreed to.
It just isnt a good setup.
So if Dan wants to be HC , I figure he waits for a job he wants that is a good situation, and he will
stay here as DC until that comes into play.

So it is kellen and kellen, and more of kellen lol. King of stats, but not much good in the playoffs.
JG 2.0 is what dallas fans will get.
I would have fired both mike and kellen after that WC game, but thats just me, jerry I think just
put all the blame on amari lol and still likes the rest of his guys.
edit well guess he blamed lael and connor too, and he got rid of all 3 , got a # 5 for all 3 ,pretty
smooth !

Poor Kellen as he has a glue factory horse (Dak) and the expectations are a Kentucky Derby win.
Imagine trying to put together a game plan with this handicap????
Then you wonder why we throw so many screens,check-downs, and only pass from shotgun unless it's PA?
Kellen like his predecessor(Linehan) is doomed for failure and at some point will do the scapegoat walk!!

 

[basel90]

I am not a dak fan, and he is somewhat mediocre, but he has always played for bad coaches.
It is hard for any qb to overcome a bad game plan and poor play designs, and poor play calling.

Only linehan did a good job back in 2016, where he designed the offense for dak. Then they threw that in the trash and went back to
the usual offense.
Linehan got run out of town, but really looking back he did better than any others.
He got the one playoff win I think and helped dallas to playoffs twice or 3 times?

So far mike and kellen have only 1 playoff appearance and that was a disaster.

good points. But the issue is Dak has not excelled and even during linehan time , the results were mediocre with one playoff win at home. For a 42 mil a year QB , you need more than that. He just does not scare defenses nor can he manage things if plan A goes bad. He gets rattled so easily and folds .
But i agree Jerry and the FO have messed up the roster and meddle too much to have consistency.

 

[Miller]

Dead honest….Quinn and Moore are not HC material. They will always be better suited to be coordinators. I think someone makes Moore a HC before we do. If we do then Jerry is even dumber than I thiought…bar is not high.

 

[DandyDon52]

Dead honest….Quinn and Moore are not HC material. They will always be better suited to be coordinators. I think someone makes Moore a HC before we do. If we do then Jerry is even dumber than I thiought…bar is not high.

Jerry is probably dumber than you think ! lol
and if someone else wants him that will motivate jerry to go all out to keep him.