How many carries will Zeke take ?

[Romotil45]

Surly we will not ask Zeke to carry the same load that Murry took in 2014. I say Zeke takes around 250 carries ave about 5 yrds a carry for about 1250 yrds McFadden or Morris will take 125 carries ave 4.6 for 575 that would just about reproduce Murrays' numbers in 2014. What do you guys think ?

 

[ConceptCoop]

He should get 20 a game, considering the investment.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Maybe 0-1 a game. He's the 4th string rb.

 

[texbumthelife]

I think he winds up around 250 on the season. I think he's in a good spot not having to get the end of game grind the clock carries where teams know he's coming at them. Not when we have a firm lead at least. I think he's in a great spot to have a longer career than most runningbacks.

 

[JeffInDC]

Surly we will not ask Zeke to carry the same load that Murry took in 2014. I say Zeke takes around 250 carries ave about 5 yrds a carry for about 1250 yrds McFadden or Morris will take 125 carries ave 4.6 for 575 that would just about reproduce Murrays' numbers in 2014. What do you guys think ?

I say 17-20, with Morris and McFadden splitting 10-12. McFadden will eventually be the 3rd-Down RB, with Dunbar being more of a Slot WR/Shane Vareen type. I can see them wanting him to get anywhere from 275-300 carries a year, but NOWHERE NEAR 350 (and DEFINITELY not the 390+ Murray got).

 

[Sydla]

Surly we will not ask Zeke to carry the same load that Murry took in 2014. I say Zeke takes around 250 carries ave about 5 yrds a carry for about 1250 yrds McFadden or Morris will take 125 carries ave 4.6 for 575 that would just about reproduce Murrays' numbers in 2014. What do you guys think ?

I think if you just used the 4th pick on a TB and then plan on limiting his carries that would be funny.

What happened to the predictions of 1600+ yards as a dominant rookie? He should be around 300 carries or so for that kind of investment.

 

[Romotil45]

I think if you just used the 4th pick on a TB and then plan on limiting his carries that would be funny.

What happened to the predictions of 1600+ yards as a dominant rookie? He should be around 300 carries or so for that kind of investment.

That what I was afraid people would say. You want him to have a long career if he takes 300 plus carries a year he will most likely be done in 4-5 yrs. Most lead backs these days ave about 15 carries a game AP takes more carries than anyone and has ave 19.9 carries a game for career. I'm afraid the pressure will be great to load him up I hope that doesn't happen.

 

[Sydla]

That what I was afraid people would say. You want him to have a long career if he takes 300 plus carries a year he will most likely be done in 4-5 yrs. Most lead backs these days ave about 15 carries a game AP takes more carries than anyone and has ave 19.9 carries a game for career. I'm afraid the pressure will be great to load him up I hope that doesn't happen.

You unwittingly just help prove one of the concerns about taking a TB at 4. Because of the nature of the position, you guys are now talking about limiting carries for him to keep him fresh and not have him break down in 4-5 years. That's bizarre because that was one of the big reasons why people said don't take a TB at 4............. because to get the value out of that pick you have to use him a lot and the RB position takes a major beating.

So if we are worried about our drafted TB being used too much for fear he might break down, then we aren't really getting true value from taking a TB at 4. If we are now saying he should get 250 carries a year and then the other 250 should be split between our other TBs, then we aren't getting true value from that TB.

We were told he was the next best thing to AP. 19.9 carries per game is 320 per year. That's where Elliott needs to be. 290-320 a year in carries.

I am not surprised that after all the bluster about how great Elliott was going to be and how big his immediate impact was going to be, we are now seeing people walk back expectations for him. LOL.

 

[ConceptCoop]

That what I was afraid people would say. You want him to have a long career if he takes 300 plus carries a year he will most likely be done in 4-5 yrs. Most lead backs these days ave about 15 carries a game AP takes more carries than anyone and has ave 19.9 carries a game for career. I'm afraid the pressure will be great to load him up I hope that doesn't happen.

If you were worried about 6+ years out, I don't think you take the RB. It was a 5 year investment. If he appears to be holding up - great - consider a second contract. If not - move on like we did from Murray.

 

[Romotil45]

If you were worried about 6+ years out, I don't think you take the RB. It was a 5 year investment. If he appears to be holding up - great - consider a second contract. If not - move on like we did from Murray.

I'm assuming we will be a consistent playoff team if he takes 320 carries during regular season how beat up will he be for playoff will he have much left in the tank ? If he ave 20-25 in the playoffs that would be fine if we limit him to say 15-16 during season he will be less likely to be injured and be ready to dominate in the playoffs.

 

[Sydla]

I'm assuming we will be a consistent playoff team if he takes 320 carries during regular season how beat up will he be for playoff will he have much left in the tank ? If he ave 20-25 in the playoffs that would be fine if we limit him to say 15-16 during season he will be less likely to be injured and be ready to dominate in the playoffs.

If you give him 15 carries a game, you wasted the 4th pick. Again, it's almost comical to me that people concerned about the wear and tear that a TB takes year in a year out were shouted down as a concern but now that we spent the 4th pick on a TB, you guys want to limit the wear and tear on him because you think he might wear down. Bizarro world stuff.

I actually get your point. TB is a brutal position and you want to have a fresh running game come the playoffs and not a beat up TB. But that's even more of a reason to not have taken a TB at 4. Taking a TB at 4 means you think he's an elite, bellcow, AP type TB. To only run him 15 times a game in the regular season is certainly not taking full advantage of his talents which means you wouldn't be getting the full value of that pick.

 

[ConceptCoop]

I'm assuming we will be a consistent playoff team if he takes 320 carries during regular season how beat up will he be for playoff will he have much left in the tank ? If he ave 20-25 in the playoffs that would be fine if we limit him to say 15-16 during season he will be less likely to be injured and be ready to dominate in the playoffs.

I think that's a solid argument. I see you're reasoning and it's sound. I just have a hard time swallowing the idea that we spend a top 4 pick on a bell cow who we don't treat like a bell cow. As I said though, I do see your point.

 

[Romotil45]

You unwittingly just help prove one of the concerns about taking a TB at 4. Because of the nature of the position, you guys are now talking about limiting carries for him to keep him fresh and not have him break down in 4-5 years. That's bizarre because that was one of the big reasons why people said don't take a TB at 4............. because to get the value out of that pick you have to use him a lot and the RB position takes a major beating.

So if we are worried about our drafted TB being used too much for fear he might break down, then we aren't really getting true value from taking a TB at 4. If we are now saying he should get 250 carries a year and then the other 250 should be split between our other TBs, then we aren't getting true value from that TB.

We were told he was the next best thing to AP. 19.9 carries per game is 320 per year. That's where Elliott needs to be. 290-320 a year in carries.

I am not surprised that after all the bluster about how great Elliott was going to be and how big his immediate impact was going to be, we are now seeing people walk back expectations for him. LOL.

I was one of those saying we should not take him at four for this same reasons however now that we did take him at four I don't think its a good idea to load him up with 320 carries during regular season. Most backs are not ES and AP they could handle 20 plus carries a game history proves most cannot.

 

[Sydla]

I was one of those saying we should not take him at four for this same reasons however now that we did take him at four I don't think its a good idea to load him up with 320 carries during regular season. Most backs are not ES and AP they could handle 20 plus carries a game history proves most cannot.

Fair enough. But I've seen some other big Elliott fans who were pimping him prior to the draft now walking back expectations and how we should use him to keep him fresh. There are guys saying RBBC was a flawed plan and now want to essentially do RBBC to keep Elliott fresh. It's LOL worthy.

My apologies if I lumped you in with that group.

 

[conner01]

That what I was afraid people would say. You want him to have a long career if he takes 300 plus carries a year he will most likely be done in 4-5 yrs. Most lead backs these days ave about 15 carries a game AP takes more carries than anyone and has ave 19.9 carries a game for career. I'm afraid the pressure will be great to load him up I hope that doesn't happen.

The nature of the position is wear them out and move on. If you get 5 great years out of him then you got your money's worth. Run him till the wheels fall off and get another one. Why get a "bell cow" and worry about limiting his carries. It's not like he is likely to get a secobd contract. Heck if he performs like some think we won't be able to afford him after 5 years anyway

 

[ConceptCoop]

Just another reason I'm bummed on the pick. We shouldn't have to worry about conserving our highest drafted player in 25 years.

 

[Romotil45]

You unwittingly just help prove one of the concerns about taking a TB at 4. Because of the nature of the position, you guys are now talking about limiting carries for him to keep him fresh and not have him break down in 4-5 years. That's bizarre because that was one of the big reasons why people said don't take a TB at 4............. because to get the value out of that pick you have to use him a lot and the RB position takes a major beating.

So if we are worried about our drafted TB being used too much for fear he might break down, then we aren't really getting true value from taking a TB at 4. If we are now saying he should get 250 carries a year and then the other 250 should be split between our other TBs, then we aren't getting true value from that TB.

We were told he was the next best thing to AP. 19.9 carries per game is 320 per year. That's where Elliott needs to be. 290-320 a year in carries.

I am not surprised that after all the bluster about how great Elliott was going to be and how big his immediate impact was going to be, we are now seeing people walk back expectations for him. LOL.

Were not going to take 500 carries Its not going to happen. I said Zeke should get 250 and the others backs would contribute 125-130. 500 carries is not even close to realistic in a pass happy league.

 

[Sydla]

Were not going to take 500 carries Its not going to happen. I said Zeke should get 250 and the others backs would contribute 125-130. 500 carries is not even close to realistic in a pass happy league.

They had over 450 in 2014. So yeah 500 is probably high but if people are so certain we are going back to 2014 levels, 450 total carries from TBs is what we did in 2014.

 

[Romotil45]

The nature of the position is wear them out and move on. If you get 5 great years out of him then you got your money's worth. Run him till the wheels fall off and get another one. Why get a "bell cow" and worry about limiting his carries. It's not like he is likely to get a secobd contract. Heck if he performs like some think we won't be able to afford him after 5 years anyway

Thats my point if he takes 320 carries a year in five years no one will touch him you think hes ok with that ?

 

[Romotil45]

Just another reason I'm bummed on the pick. We shouldn't have to worry about conserving our highest drafted player in 25 years.

I'm not going to complain about the pick I fought hard against it but now what is done is done. If we come a consistent playoff team his 320 carries during regular season plus 40-50 carries in playoff or more in five years he will have fallen off the 1800 carry cliff and no team will want to touch him.