How many teams have been rebuilt while we maintain mediocrity?

[OhSnap]

If this, and if that, Garrett would have done this, or Garrett would have done that...............I deal in facts, not hypotheticals............You are what your record says you are.................mediocre .500 coach "in training" (per team owner)

I dont really think you deal in facts. I think you deal in what is easy. It's easy to say he's 500 and dismiss anything else. They didn't start a different defensive roster every week hypothetically, it is a fact that the last 2 years this team has brought in people who didn't even play football the year before to fill in for injured players. It's a fact. Deal with it.

 

[HappyOnions]

Even teams like the Dolphins, Bills, Bucs, Jaguars, Rams, Vikings, Titans, Commanders, etc. are at least trying. They realize that what they've been doing in the past clearly isn't working. Maybe they aren't enjoying success right now, but they're making an attempt to better their team.

I can't say that for us.

 

[cml750]

Even teams like the Dolphins, Bills, Bucs, Jaguars, Rams, Vikings, Titans, Commanders, etc. are at least trying. They realize that what they've been doing in the past clearly isn't working. Maybe they aren't enjoying success right now, but they're making an attempt to better their team.

I can't say that for us.

Certainly not when we have a coach who the owner openly admits is in "training". The whole scenario is rather sad.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I dont really think you deal in facts. I think you deal in what is easy. It's easy to say he's 500 and dismiss anything else. They didn't start a different defensive roster every week hypothetically, it is a fact that the last 2 years this team has brought in people who didn't even play football the year before to fill in for injured players. It's a fact. Deal with it.

Injuries are part of the game, not excuses

Bottom line is we are sitting home on the couch come playoff time ever since Garrett took over

Deal with that fact

 

[Coy]

I thought Jerry Jones and Barry Switzer already proved that talent is the number one ingredient for a successful coach? Do you think Harbaugh could have made Felix Jones run the ball better or made Dez Bryant play like he does now in his first year? I have no doubt that Garrett would have been very successful with the 9ers O-line and Frank Gore and Micheal Crabtree. He would definitely be better than 8-8 if he had that team.

That's one thing, but another completely different thing is what you said earlier about Garrett having the same results as Harbaugh in SF, an NFC Championship, a SB and at least a divisional playoff apperance in 3 years as the HC of the 49ers.

 

[Next Years Champ]

LOL, that's not rebuilding. Were you aware there was a 2013 football season? The Skins are de-building. Bye bye, #2 pick.

If your definition of rebuilding is that flexible then I guess Parcells rebuilt us too, so there goes your whole argument. The whole league has rebuilt multiple times under your concept of rebuilding. To be fair, rebuilding is a stupid concept no matter how you define it so my definition wouldn't be any better.

Hey..

Its a process..

And yes, we have never stopped rebuilding since '96.

We just aren't any good at it.

Haven't been since the FA era started.

We..err..Jerrah..

Doesn't know how. That's obvious.

 

[OhSnap]

That's one thing, but another completely different thing is what you said earlier about Garrett having the same results as Harbaugh in SF, an NFC Championship, a SB and at least a divisional playoff apperance in 3 years as the HC of the 49ers.

I may have taken that a bit too far, he's had a great 3 years. Almost as good a Switzers first 3 years LOL. I really believe Garrett would have been in the playoffs all 3 years at the least with that same team.

 

[Coy]

I may have taken that a bit too far, he's had a great 3 years. Almost as good a Switzers first 3 years LOL. I really believe Garrett would have been in the playoffs all 3 years at the least with that same team.

The difference being that Switzer took over a team that had won back to back SB with a few hall of famers on the team, Harbaugh took over a team that had a 6-10 record and Alex Smith as his QB.

 

[jnday]

I dont really think you deal in facts. I think you deal in what is easy. It's easy to say he's 500 and dismiss anything else. They didn't start a different defensive roster every week hypothetically, it is a fact that the last 2 years this team has brought in people who didn't even play football the year before to fill in for injured players. It's a fact. Deal with it.

Good grief. Stop with the excuses. How can fans defend this mess. This is the Dallas Cowboys , America's Team. Raise your expectations. At one time, the fanbase may have been considered arrogant, but they had high standards that they expected this team to meet. I don't know what is worse, the state of this team or the state of the fans. The fans and the team has come to the point that they are average and they defend being that way. I refuse to settle for average. No Cowboy fan should.

 

[Next Years Champ]

I thought Jerry Jones and Barry Switzer already proved that talent is the number one ingredient for a successful coach? Do you think Harbaugh could have made Felix Jones run the ball better or made Dez Bryant play like he does now in his first year? I have no doubt that Garrett would have been very successful with the 9ers O-line and Frank Gore and Micheal Crabtree. He would definitely be better than 8-8 if he had that team.

The difference is the 9ers were not afraid to go out draft a QB high though they already had Alex Smith.

Irs the same delema we are now in with Romo.

 

[coult44]

Some of these teams have been rebuilt twice before we have done it once. Some have went from horrible to good, back to bad, and then to great. We haven't graduated from bad yet. 18 YEARS OF BAD!!!! We had one decent 13-3 year, but how'd that end up? To another off-season remake of bad!!!

BUTTTTTTTTTTTT, my friends, why will it never change. Because you still see these homer fans support 1000% of what JJ does. Defend every coach. Make excuses for the players, and enjoy the entertainment, while waiting for the secret sauce to show up...

 

[OhSnap]

Good grief. Stop with the excuses. How can fans defend this mess. This is the Dallas Cowboys , America's Team. Raise your expectations. At one time, the fanbase may have been considered arrogant, but they had high standards that they expected this team to meet. I don't know what is worse, the state of this team or the state of the fans. The fans and the team has come to the point that they are average and they defend being that way. I refuse to settle for average. No Cowboy fan should.

That Americas Team stuff is crap made up by NFL Films in another era. Tom Landry didn't like then and you shouldn't now. It's a bullseye on the players backs and it's become another way to insult the team every time they have a bad game and just because someone doesn't complain and play the blame game doesn't mean they have low expectations it might mean they know the difference between an excuse and a reason.

 

[OhSnap]

The difference is the 9ers were not afraid to go out draft a QB high though they already had Alex Smith.

Irs the same delema we are now in with Romo.

They drafted another QB because they were having doubts about how good Smith was and wanted a replacement and already had a decent team around him. I'm not sure what your calling a dilemma with Romo, if your talking about the back thats what Orton was for.

 

[jobberone]

Injuries are part of the game, not excuses

Bottom line is we are sitting home on the couch come playoff time ever since Garrett took over

Deal with that fact

Injuries are part of the game and leave it at that. When people including those not on this forum and/or even fans can see that as a fact, then they and likely most here don't see it as an excuse. They see them as part of the problems that made the defense so unreliable.

The fact you and others can't see that means you aren't dealing with the facts. They're looking for scapegoats rather than trying to see the situation as it is. Or on a forum like this they could have other agendas which is not worth discussing further.

Solving problems means looking for the reasons why something failed be it a machine or what and addressing the problems. This is a generalized statement and can be applied to almost any situation. So people aren't trying to absolve, excuse or apologize. They're just objectively looking at a problem without the hysteria, agenda and in the case of an internet forum the possibility of trolling.

You and others may want to consider that and deal with the facts. But I won't hold my breath.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

the Garrett homers will tell you its a process that cannot take less than 4 years. Those that do it in one or two are clearly screwing up and its all smoke and mirrors.

One top 5 pick since 97.

One.

 

[visionary]

Injuries are part of the game, not excuses

Bottom line is we are sitting home on the couch come playoff time ever since Garrett took over

Deal with that fact

injuries are not excuses, they are the body armor garrett puts on every morning before he starts stacking

 

[slick325]

The Cowboys had winning records 6 out of 7 years from 03-09. The collapse happened in 2010, in which our current rebuilding efforts under Garrett started.

I couldn't agree more Winward. No one at Valley Ranch, the media, Cowboys fans nor Cowboys haters will use the word or acknowledge it publicly.......but Dallas has been rebuilding since the 2010 collapse. You need only look at the starting roster from 2013 or the projected starters for 2014 to see that.

In 2013, Romo, Witten, Free, and Austin remained starters on offense from the last playoff team. By mid-season, Austin was replaced by a rookie in Williams. On defense, Ware, Hatcher, Scandrick, Spencer and Ratliff remained from the 2009 playoff team. By mid-season, Ratliff and Spencer were not starters and neither will be there in 2014. Hatch is a free-agent and likely won't be back. Many on here want to release Ware as well although I think he returns in 2014.

2014 projected starters are:
QB: Romo (starter in 2009)
RB: Murray
TE: Witten (starter in 2009)
TE: Escobar
WR: Bryant
WR: Williams
LT: Smith
LG: Leary
C: Fredrick
RG: Mack B/Waters/Rookie ?????
RT: Free (starter in 2009)

That would be 3 offensive starters remaining from 2009 playoff team. That is a massive overhaul or rebuild. And I suspect in the draft Dallas could add a G and/or WR.

2014 projected starters Defense:
RDE: Ware
3TechDT: ? (Rookie or Crawford or Free Agent)
1TechDT: Hayden or Rookie or Free Agent
LDE: Crawford/Selvie/Rookie/Free Agent
WLB: Carter
MLB: Lee
SLB: Durant/Wilber/Holloman
CB: Carr
CB: Scandrick or Claiborne
SS: Church
FS: Wilcox

That would be 2 defensive starters remaining from 2009 playoff team....and that depends on whether Ware returns and Scandrick beating out Mo in camp.

Hopefully Dallas hits on DL starters in this draft, another G and some LB depth. If so, I think the rebuild will be complete. Does that mean Jerry should stand pat in 2015 and no holes will exist......absolutely not. But what it does mean is that anyone who has paid attention to the roster since Garrett took over and doesn't see the massive overhaul is either blind or has an agenda. Dallas is rebuilding folks and it is almost done. (Fingers crossed of course)

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

The 49ers went 8 years in between winning records and the Hawks went 4. It didn't happen over night but don't let that stop you from bashin the Boy's.

Then one day you wake up and the Texas has a worse drought than California and Atlanta put together.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Even teams like the Dolphins, Bills, Bucs, Jaguars, Rams, Vikings, Titans, Commanders, etc. are at least trying. They realize that what they've been doing in the past clearly isn't working. Maybe they aren't enjoying success right now, but they're making an attempt to better their team.

I can't say that for us.

Attempts are being made. They are just wrong "attempts".

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I will start with the 49ers and Seattle.

How do you qualify rebuilt and what time frame? Both those teams have been good the last few years. Both those of teams went through at least 3 years of suckage prior to them being good. So were they rebuilding during the time they lost 10 games a year? Seattle lost 10 games 4 years ago, 8 games 3 years ago, and the last 2 years have been good to very good. So you can argue that they showed progress, where we have not, staying at 8-8 over the last 3 years. There are a lot of things that go into this, not just hey, they have a better record now than we do, so our rebuilding sucks,, both of those teams went through their years of suckage as well.