How to Fix OLine

[StarOfGlory]

Absolutely not. They have spent enough draft capital on the oline. They need to fix this internally with what they have or with free agents. They need the firsts for freak athetes on defense.

If you end up with a Tryon Smith or Lane Johnson, it absolutely is worth it. Of course there are no guarantees, but the same can be said for drafting defensive players.

 

[75boyz]

They transitioned extremely well from Solari to Riley with improved coaching.

It now boils down to weighing priorities on position importance and team needs.

While the defense needs extreme help at several positions, the offense's 2nd most important position of LT needs a serious upgrade.

So flip a coin I guess.
jmo

 

[starfan1]

Absolutely not. They have spent enough draft capital on the oline. They need to fix this internally with what they have or with free agents. They need the firsts for freak athetes on defense.

We can't keep investing 1st rounders on oline

I cant say that I disagree alot with this however it doesn't matter if you have 4 first rounders on your line one bad apple can screw up continuity. Terrence Steele is that bad apple in pass protection. People like to throw out the whole first rounder thing on the line when they want to highlight what the cowboys have and other teams dont Ill just say that all first rounders are not created equal.

Zach Martin was a first rounder through and through Guyton is not. I do like the Booker pick and the Tyler smith pick was great value at 24(although I wonder if we are going to begin to see his decline). They are not going to move Guyton to RT like many want and the cowboys may or may not regret that hes a penalty machine but he did show some improvement this year. The cowboys need to replace Steele this season now if their scouting department can find a good replacement later in the draft or ante up in FA then the first 2 picks can be used on those athletic defensive freaks your talking about. We need safety ,Linebacker and DE in the worst way. We also need corners bad

 

[Ironicalicon]

Oline has been a disappointment, especially the tackles. There is an easy fix without spending in FA or high draft pick.

Move Guyton to RT and Smith to LT. Move Bass to LG. Or Move Beebe to LG and start Hoffman at C. Basically, make them play their natural positions instead of fitting square pegs into circles.

Focus draft and FA on defense. Boom! Problem solved. I should be GM.

Smith, Bass, Beebe, Booker, Guyton would be good, I think, but they won't do it. They've been pretty staunch that they won't move Smith. I know they did it when Tyron went down but that was purely out of necessity. I don't think they'll move Guyton either.

 

[buddahjoe445]

You'd think after watching Guyton for 2 seasons everyone would realize why pretty much every team projected him to the Left side. He's a finesse player. He's gone from 9 sacks and something like 18 penalties as a rookie to 2 sacks a 7 penalties. Let's see if he continues to progress and finally learn to trust his athleticism.
Why would you move an all pro caliber guard out to be an average tackle?
They've spent 2 seasons developing Beebe to Center. That development has gone as bout as well as they could have hoped. Moving him now would just be silly.
Hoffman is unlikely to be here next season!

Smith is more athletic than Guyton and better suited to play LT. Guyton would be better on the right side. Why keep making players play positions they're not best suited for? Finding a good guard is much easier than finding a good tackle. Smith and Guyton can both excel as tackles.

Again, Beebe was a good guard in college, why train him to play center? He is an average center, nothing special. Gets beat at least couple times a game. With this logic, why not make Murray play TE?

 

[exciter]

Smith is more athletic than Guyton and better suited to play LT. Guyton would be better on the right side. Why keep making players play positions they're not best suited for? Finding a good guard is much easier than finding a good tackle. Smith and Guyton can both excel as tackles.

Again, Beebe was a good guard in college, why train him to play center? He is an average center, nothing special. Gets beat at least couple times a game. With this logic, why not make Murray play TE?

Lol!
Professional evaluators across the league projected Smith to guard because he's better suited to guard.
They projected Guyton to LT because that is by far the best position for him.
It's really that simple.
Sure sometimes finding a guard is easier than finding a tackle.
Finding an all pro guard is not.
That's why they never made the stupid move of permanently moving Zack Martin and why they moved Larry Allen back to guard at the earliest possible convenience.
Beebe has been credited with 0 sacks, 0 penalties and 11 total pressures.
Maybe just maybe, let's let the actual professional football people make the personnel decisions and you stick to whatever your skillset is... but rest assured it's not evaluating players!

 

[Dalmations202]

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Maybe just maybe, let's let the actual professional football people make the personnel decisions and you stick to whatever your skillset is... but rest assured it's not evaluating players!

Professional FAILURE football people for 30 years and counting. This is why boards have people thinking they could make better decisions --- AND no one has any proof they wouldn't make better decisions because they have 30 years of watching the professional football people in charge of the team we all LOVE.......FAIL

Brian Broadus was a professional football scout, and he definitely wasn't/isn't right all the time (although he seems to always think he is). Although I think his take on OL (only) is usually better than most. With that said, I think everyone can have an opinion, even when wrong.........because in the end professional or amateur doesn't matter -- only ownership decisions do.

My apologies to you exciter, but I hate when people tell me "let the professionals do it" when they are failing at it. Sometimes I am better at certain things than most professionals. (Though not in the football realm) One Example: I have found lots of dads who are much better coaches than the professional ones my kids had in pubic school.

 

[exciter]

Professional FAILURE football people for 30 years and counting. This is why boards have people thinking they could make better decisions --- AND no one has any proof they wouldn't make better decisions because they have 30 years of watching the professional football people in charge of the team we all LOVE.......FAIL

Brian Broadus was a professional football scout, and he definitely wasn't/isn't right all the time (although he seems to always think he is). Although I think his take on OL (only) is usually better than most. With that said, I think everyone can have an opinion, even when wrong.........because in the end professional or amateur doesn't matter -- only ownership decisions do.

My apologies to you exciter, but I hate when people tell me "let the professionals do it" when they are failing at it. Sometimes I am better at certain things than most professionals. (Though not in the football realm) One Example: I have found lots of dads who are much better coaches than the professional ones my kids had in pubic school.

Lol,
A lot more reliable than someone who obviously doesn't have a clue what he's watching and who's skillset would seem better suited to attempting to successfully fetch the toilet paper on family trips to Walmart!

 

[visionary]

Oline has been a disappointment, especially the tackles. There is an easy fix without spending in FA or high draft pick.

Move Guyton to RT and Smith to LT. Move Bass to LG. Or Move Beebe to LG and start Hoffman at C. Basically, make them play their natural positions instead of fitting square pegs into circles.

Focus draft and FA on defense. Boom! Problem solved. I should be GM.

Thats too easy
WE are not going to do this
WE will draft yet another OL with yet another rd 1 pick

 

[Cowboyny]

Oline has been a disappointment, especially the tackles. There is an easy fix without spending in FA or high draft pick.

Move Guyton to RT and Smith to LT. Move Bass to LG. Or Move Beebe to LG and start Hoffman at C. Basically, make them play their natural positions instead of fitting square pegs into circles.

Focus draft and FA on defense. Boom! Problem solved. I should be GM.

This takes away their biggest strength within the interior and affects the pocket the most.

 

[Cowboyny]

We have 3 young tackles on the team that are still developing: Guyton (health is the biggest concern), Thomas & Corn.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Oline has been a disappointment, especially the tackles. There is an easy fix without spending in FA or high draft pick.

Move Guyton to RT and Smith to LT. Move Bass to LG. Or Move Beebe to LG and start Hoffman at C. Basically, make them play their natural positions instead of fitting square pegs into circles.

Focus draft and FA on defense. Boom! Problem solved. I should be GM.

GET RID OD STEELE

 

[ghst187]

Oline has been a disappointment, especially the tackles. There is an easy fix without spending in FA or high draft pick.

Move Guyton to RT and Smith to LT. Move Bass to LG. Or Move Beebe to LG and start Hoffman at C. Basically, make them play their natural positions instead of fitting square pegs into circles.

Focus draft and FA on defense. Boom! Problem solved. I should be GM.

We are wasting Bass who would likely start for a lot of teams. I like your plan.

 

[buddahjoe445]

You'd think after watching Guyton for 2 seasons everyone would realize why pretty much every team projected him to the Left side. He's a finesse player. He's gone from 9 sacks and something like 18 penalties as a rookie to 2 sacks a 7 penalties. Let's see if he continues to progress and finally learn to trust his athleticism.
Why would you move an all pro caliber guard out to be an average tackle?
They've spent 2 seasons developing Beebe to Center. That development has gone as bout as well as they could have hoped. Moving him now would just be silly.
Hoffman is unlikely to be here next season!

experts get things wrong all the time. Murray was a first rd pick. how do you explain all the experts saying he should have been a high pick? also Beebe could be even a better guard, he average at center. Smith was projected to be a tackle coming out because he had good feet. they played Smith at guard out of need and kept him there because he played well.

 

[Captain-Crash]

What happened to Hoffman?

 

[TNCowboy]

I can see this happening. Especially with the higher of the 2 first rounders.

Who knows? Given the way the 1st round looks now, I'd say OT, CB, and DE will have plenty of candidates come picks 12-15, where Dallas will likely wind up.

Of course, with the job McClain has done the last 5 years, I don't trust any board they make. Organization needs massive changes and the thing the 2 fools in charge are best at is resisting change.

 

[JohnsKey19]

6 of the last 14 1sts. Probably the safest bet you can make is that they'll draft an OL with one of those 2 picks.

I believe they will as well. I can already hear the spin job from Stephen.

 

[TNCowboy]

Hellll to the no, no more first rounders on the Oline.. they ll have to do with what they have or pickup a couple quality ones in FA.. how about having the coaches do their freaking job and coach these dumb players for a change.

Use the first rounders on defense.

Neither you nor I get a vote.

What if there isn't a worthy OT in the FA market? OT is like elite passrusher, teams don't let those guys go until they're on the verge of being washed.

It's not just about coaching. It's about the premium positions and finding the best player. If we draft - for example - the next Tyron Smith with one of those picks, you won't be lamenting them drafting another 1st rounder on offense 5 years down the road. The hope is a 1st rounder is with you for a decade, the current teams needs are almost irrelevant compared to the rest of that decade. OTOH, if they force it and pick the next Taco Charlton or Jaylon Smith, how are we any better off by shoehorning in a defensive pick when the board didn't call for it?

1st round strategy should always be about the best prospects at premium positions.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Smith is more athletic than Guyton and better suited to play LT. Guyton would be better on the right side. Why keep making players play positions they're not best suited for? Finding a good guard is much easier than finding a good tackle. Smith and Guyton can both excel as tackles.

Again, Beebe was a good guard in college, why train him to play center? He is an average center, nothing special. Gets beat at least couple times a game. With this logic, why not make Murray play TE?

IIRC, Smith does not want to play tackle, and when he did he had penalty issues. Smith is a top three guard in this league. Moving him just creates another hole. Our backups on the line are just average at best. We need a talent infusion. Move Guyton to RT and either draft, trade for, or sign a real LT. Also, we'll find out if Guyton can play RT or is just destined to be a JAG. Steele must go.

 

[exciter]

experts get things wrong all the time. Murray was a first rd pick. how do you explain all the experts saying he should have been a high pick? also Beebe could be even a better guard, he average at center. Smith was projected to be a tackle coming out because he had good feet. they played Smith at guard out of need and kept him there because he played well.

Lol,
So not only do you not understand what you've been watching, you haven't paid any attention to what's going on. Explains this ridiculous thread.
Let's leave roster personnel to the who understand OK!