How to win the Offseason

[Risen Star]

You know what would be a good draft this year?

If we draft a DE, CB, OT, RB, S, DT (any order).

 

[Bigdog]

Such is not going to signed that. Reports are he wants and should get Watt type money which was 6yrs 100 mil. Also Bryant wants C Johnson type money. I don' t believe you can sign both without sacrificing other areas of the team.

 

[Nation]

Guys like Suh don't hit free agency. DET is over a barrel because Stafford, CJohnson and Suh were all top 5 draft picks under the old rookie pay scale. It skewed their contracts upward dramatically. It would be almost impossible to keep all 3.

Sounds a lot like how folks described guys like Nnamdi Asomugha and Albert Haynesworth a few years ago. All Pro players who did nothing with their new teams and are now out of the league with nothing but dead money to show for it. The successful teams in the league win by developing through the draft and low risk free agency signings. The Broncos went all-in this year and they didn't win a playoff game and set themselves up for future cap hell.

 

[xwalker]

Restructure Romo, TSmith and Witten
Release Melton, DWatson and June 1st cut Carr
Leaves Dallas 50m under the 142m cap

Sign Dez 7/88m
Sign Murray 4/29m
Sign Suh 7/90m- notice all the totals are their jersey numbers

Sign Free/Parnell, Leary, Weems, Beasley
Sign Spencer, Carter/Durant, McClain, Moore
Sign P in FA
Sign KR/WR6
Sign vet CB

Draft DE, CB, OT, RB, S, DT(any order)
Scoop up a couple UDFAs
Churn roster

5m under the cap for injuries and emergencies

I would be fine with that.

Suh at 12.8M per year is a bargain. He has only missed 2 games of 81 possible games in his career. He plays high percentage of the snaps. He would make the other 10 guys on defense better. People that think he is a dirty player must not remember Erik Williams because EW would make Suh look like a Choirboy.

I doubt if they give Murray that much.

I would try to fit in a mid tier free agent DE even if it meant doing without Spencer, Durant and Carter.

In your scenario they could could focus on drafting BPA with an eye towards a DE.

I don't think the reported numbers on Dekoda Watson's contract are accurate. It's the same numbers from his original contract with the Jags and the Cowboys signed him after he passed through waivers which would indicate that they gave him a lower contract. If they were going to pay his original contract they would have made a waiver claim. It seems that they signed him because they were interested in bringing him to camp in 2015. He was injured when they signed him and they kept him on the 53 for multiple games as and inactive player while he was injured. They normally wouldn't use that spot on an injured Special Teams only player.

 

[xwalker]

Sounds a lot like how folks described guys like Nnamdi Asomugha and Albert Haynesworth a few years ago. All Pro players who did nothing with their new teams and are now out of the league with nothing but dead money to show for it. The successful teams in the league win by developing through the draft and low risk free agency signings. The Broncos went all-in this year and they didn't win a playoff game and set themselves up for future cap hell.

There have been plenty of successful big money signings. As somebody mentioned Deion was signed an unprecedented contract with the Cowboys and it's doubtful that they make it to the 1995 Super Bowl without him. Reggie White was terrific for the Packers. Payton Manning was a good signing for the Broncos. The Pats paid Revis 12M this year.

Everybody (except little Danny) knew that Haynesworth was a lazy player.

I'll give you that I don't think most people saw the Nnamdi Asomugha failure coming; although, he signed that contract in 2011 and he had gotten into acting in 2008. He also married an actress and continued acting. It's often not a good sign when players start focusing on acting or singing careers.

 

[Nightman]

I would be fine with that.

Suh at 12.8M per year is a bargain. He has only missed 2 games of 81 possible games in his career. He plays high percentage of the snaps. He would make the other 10 guys on defense better. People that think he is a dirty player must not remember Erik Williams because EW would make Suh look like a Choirboy.

I doubt if they give Murray that much.

I would try to fit in a mid tier free agent DE even if it meant doing without Spencer, Durant and Carter.

In your scenario they could could focus on drafting BPA with an eye towards a DE.

I don't think the reported numbers on Dekoda Watson's contract are accurate. It's the same numbers from his original contract with the Jags and the Cowboys signed him after he passed through waivers which would indicate that they gave him a lower contract. If they were going to pay his original contract they would have made a waiver claim. It seems that they signed him because they were interested in bringing him to camp in 2015. He was injured when they signed him and they kept him on the 53 for multiple games as and inactive player while he was injured. They normally wouldn't use that spot on an injured Special Teams only player.

Just like any contract the final numbers don't mean as much as the guarantees and first 3 years. Suh and Dez might get more, maybe a lot more, but there has to be an upper limit. I'm not giving Dez or Suh 16m. If they miss on either one they would have a ton of money to spend on WR, DE and DT with multiple guys.

I was just going by the 1.25m they have on Watson. At that salary he has to go, but for the min. he can stay.

 

[xwalker]

Just like any contract the final numbers don't mean as much as the guarantees and first 3 years. Suh and Dez might get more, maybe a lot more, but there has to be an upper limit. I'm not giving Dez or Suh 16m. If they miss on either one they would have a ton of money to spend on WR, DE and DT with multiple guys.

I was just going by the 1.25m they have on Watson. At that salary he has to go, but for the min. he can stay.

The only risk I see with Suh is that he gets suspended. He has already made big money and that didn't affect his on-field motivation. Both Suh and Dez seem like guys that love to play the game.

I would be more worried about Dez than Suh. I not worried about either one on the field, but Dez has some oddities about his off field life.

 

[38 Special]

I know its not the same player but Peyton took the Broncos to a super bowl. Worked for them. Lol

The difference is that while many blockbuster free agents get lazy or don't fit the system, Manning doesn't know how to be lazy and he IS the system.

Deion Sanders and Mario Williams weren't disasters, but injuries made them not worth the $$$. I just don't like the idea of putting all our eggs in one basket. if Suh stays healthy, if he continues to work hard, and if he doesn't get suspended for stomping on the opposition, he'll probably work out. Too many ifs for what could get you multiple players IMO.

 

[Nightman]

The only risk I see with Suh is that he gets suspended. He has already made big money and that didn't affect his on-field motivation. Both Suh and Dez seem like guys that love to play the game.

I would be more worried about Dez than Suh. I not worried about either one on the field, but Dez has some oddities about his off field life.

They reset his disciplinary record after going 36 months without an incident, so any new suspension would have to follow multiple incidents and would only be for a game at first.

 

[CF74]

Suh making more than Dez? Alrighty then lol

 

[AsthmaField]

I would welcome Suh if we signed him. Its not like he's some over the hill guy, he is truly a dominate force on the DL and would make everyone on the DL better. He does come with baggage which makes some people hate him, but so did Charles Haley and he ended up turning out well for us. Some of the guys on D need to have some edge and swagger, and Suh has that in spades.

If we had to choose between Murray and Suh, it becomes difficult but behind this OL its alot easier to find a RB than a truly dominant DL. Give me Suh everyday and twice on Sunday. Adding Suh, picking up a DE and CB in the draft, and guess what........we could have a dominant D to go along with all that offense we already have.

I do agree with that. I honestly do really like Murray and don't particularly want to see him go. However, from a team building standpoint spending the money on the DL vs RB is simply a smarter way to go IMO.

Murray at RB and Hayden at DT last season

vs

Gurley at RB and Suh at DT this season

One of those is much better than the other. Of course Suh will cost a good bit more than Murray so that isn't exactly apples to apples... but it gets the point across.

If you look at what we could potentially end up with it would look something like this:

Murray at RB and Micheal Bennet at DT With a mid priced DE in FA

or

Gurley or Gordon at RB and Suh at DT With no mid priced DE in FA

Of course Dallas could use the 27th pick on DE and their second for RB to end up with:

Jay Ajayi at RB, Suh at DT and Nate Orchard at DE. That would be nice as well as I particularly like Ajayi.

Anyway, the point is If Dallas pays for Suh vs Murray, there would be a lot of ways that they could end up better off.

You win in the league with strong lines... strong in the trenches... and with Suh and a draft pick or two, Dallas could be very strong on both lines.

 

[xwalker]

They reset his disciplinary record after going 36 months without an incident, so any new suspension would have to follow multiple incidents and would only be for a game at first.

I think a lot of his antics were fostered by his previous coach Jim Schwartz who encouraged that type of behavior. The new coaching staff was there in 2014, but that attitude probably prevailed in the locker room. I think a team like the Cowboys would tell him to just not to do it anymore and that would probably be the end of it. He would probably still push the boundaries, but I don't expect him to be intentionally stepping on a QB or that type of silliness if he goes to a new team (unless the new team is coached by Jim Schwartz, Greg Williams or one of the Ryan brothers).

 

[AsthmaField]

When in the salary cap era has it been successful to sign a free agent from another team to a record setting contract? Is there any case where that hasn't been an unmitigated disaster? And any reason to think Suh would be any different?

I understand and typically feel pretty close to the way you do - but Suh would be much closer to the Reggie White signing than the Albert Haynesworth signing. Like Reggie, he is a dominant player that should have never seen the light of day in free agency and is the type of player that never does unless there was a significant mistake somewhere... and there is. Detroit has screwed the pooch.

Haynesworth was available because the team that drafted him saw some serious flaws in him and didn't want to pay him big money.

Suh, IMO, is the type of free agent that you rarely see on the open market and he truly doesn't have any holes in his game. There is no reason that a team that desperately needs DL help, has the money to spend, and is a place the player is rumored to want to play, shouldn't try to get a young, dominant, great player like Suh. His temper is the only thing that he has against him and frankly, his attitude and temperament is exactly what defensive coordinators are looking for. You just have to coach his temper.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I do agree with that. I honestly do really like Murray and don't particularly want to see him go. However, from a team building standpoint spending the money on the DL vs RB is simply a smarter way to go IMO.

Murray at RB and Hayden at DT last season

vs

Gurley at RB and Suh at DT this season

One of those is much better than the other. Of course Suh will cost a good bit more than Murray so that isn't exactly apples to apples... but it gets the point across.

If you look at what we could potentially end up with it would look something like this:

Murray at RB and Micheal Bennet at DT With a mid priced DE in FA

or

Gurley or Gordon at RB and Suh at DT With no mid priced DE in FA

Of course Dallas could use the 27th pick on DE and their second for RB to end up with:

Jay Ajayi at RB, Suh at DT and Nate Orchard at DE. That would be nice as well as I particularly like Ajayi.

Anyway, the point is If Dallas pays for Suh vs Murray, there would be a lot of ways that they could end up better off.

You win in the league with strong lines... strong in the trenches... and with Suh and a draft pick or two, Dallas could be very strong on both lines.

Yeah its hard to compare Murray and Suh cause I really like and want to keep Murray, but in the grand scheme of things from a team standpoint it has to be done. Murray won't sign for as much as Suh, but frankly Suh is the harder talent to find so he deserves more money than Murray even as an interior DL.

Can't be ignored how solid we would be against the run with Suh and RoMac out there in the middle. If it is preached how much our OL affects teams with its solid middle, well the DL would be the same with TCrawford, Suh, and RoMac. DL have a much longer shelf life than RBs, so really its a no brainer to me.

But here's the issue, I believe at the end of the day he signs with the Lions for a record deal. That would be fine cause there are other guys out there that we could sign to help, problem is going after him might cause some tension in the Murray camp which could have us lose out on both. Its a hard and dicey decision for the front office to make, but if we want to get a ring next year, the FO has to be the one that gets it done.