Huge turning point in Arizona game: How was this missed?

[coult44]

I can’t find that we talked about this here: Please combine if this is a duplicate thread.

Isn’t it illegal for a guy who was out of bounds to be the first person to touch the ball on a fumble.
Did he re-establish, or how does that rule work? It should have been looked at more right?

 

[Cowboys5217]

I remember the play, but I wasn't sure what the rules were.

 

[CWR]

I can’t find that we talked about this here: Please combine if this is a duplicate thread.

Isn’t it illegal for a guy who was out of bounds to be the first person to touch the ball on a fumble.
Did he re-establish, or how does that rule work? It should have been looked at more right?

Refs, announcers, whole board, everyone seemed to miss it. Yeah I thought that would make the recovering player ineligible?

 

[ghst187]

I thought the third and long deep in their own territory where Fowler or EZ (unsure which) got tackled by their facemask was a pretty big game changer

 

[RS12]

The turning point was going for it in the red zone on the first possession and coming up empty. Arizona had all the momentum then.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I read on X today that as a defender, he could reestablish, did, and therefore was legal

 

[JD_KaPow]

No. A defensive player who goes out of bounds can be the first to touch the ball as long as he reestablishes himself in-bounds first. Which he did.

 

[CowboysRule]

I thought the third and long deep in their own territory where Fowler or EZ (unsure which) got tackled by their facemask was a pretty big game changer

That was Fowler. One of the many penalties Arizona committed in the first half but somehow escaped with 0 penalties.

 

[Desperado]

Reading the title, I thought this thread was going to be about the coin toss.

 

[Ranching]

I can’t find that we talked about this here: Please combine if this is a duplicate thread.

Isn’t it illegal for a guy who was out of bounds to be the first person to touch the ball on a fumble.
Did he re-establish, or how does that rule work? It should have been looked at more right?

Even my wife brought that up last night...believe me, if it was us, some of our fans would have pointed it out

 

[CowboysRule]

No. A defensive player who goes out of bounds can be the first to touch the ball as long as he reestablishes himself in-bounds first. Which he did.

How does one re-establish themselves in bounds? Honest question. I know there are rules concerning that term but I never understood that actual process.

 

[JustDezIt]

How does one re-establish themselves in bounds? Honest question. I know there are rules concerning that term but I never understood that actual process.

Left and right foot in bounds, I’m assuming.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Left and right foot in bounds, I’m assuming.

For defensive players, it appears that only one foot is required.
https://www.footballzebras.com/2023...-field-and-defense-re-establishing-in-bounds/
"Defensive players are allowed to go out of bounds and be the first one to touch the ball, as long as they first re-establish in the field of play. All this means is one foot must be in bounds prior to making contact with the ball."

 

[Cmac]

I'd say the early no-call on Fowler being held & hurt.....in front of the ref......let us know of things to come.

 

[Kwyn]

For defensive players, it appears that only one foot is required.
https://www.footballzebras.com/2023...-field-and-defense-re-establishing-in-bounds/
"Defensive players are allowed to go out of bounds and be the first one to touch the ball, as long as they first re-establish in the field of play. All this means is one foot must be in bounds prior to making contact with the ball."

I ranted about it in the game thread several times but someone stated that fumble recoveries don’t follow the same rules as receptions or interceptions and that as long as he got one foot down it was enough.

Looks like they were right.

@CalPolyTechnique

 

[Coogiguy03]

Shouldn't have fumbled!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I can’t find that we talked about this here: Please combine if this is a duplicate thread.

Isn’t it illegal for a guy who was out of bounds to be the first person to touch the ball on a fumble.
Did he re-establish, or how does that rule work? It should have been looked at more right?

Its not reviewable...or is it?

 

[MarcusRock]

I can’t find that we talked about this here: Please combine if this is a duplicate thread.

Isn’t it illegal for a guy who was out of bounds to be the first person to touch the ball on a fumble.
Did he re-establish, or how does that rule work? It should have been looked at more right?

It was talked about in the Game Day thread and correctly mentioned that only a receiver who steps out of bounds can't be the first player to touch the ball even after reestablishing himself inbounds (Rule 8 - Forward Pass, Backward Pass, Fumble; Section 1 - Forward Pass; Article 8 (b) Illegal Touching of a Forward Pass).

Otherwise, general reestablishing yourself in bounds is defined as follows:

RULE 3 - DEFINITIONS​

SECTION 20 OUT OF BOUNDS, INBOUNDS, AND INBOUNDS SPOT​

ARTICLE 2. PLAYER INBOUNDS​

A player who has been out of bounds reestablishes himself as an inbounds player when both feet, or any part of his body other than his hands, touch the ground within the boundary lines, provided that no part of his body is touching a boundary line or anything other than a player, an official, or a pylon on or outside a boundary line.​

So, notwithstanding the link above that talks about a defensive player only needing one foot inbounds (because it's a link to college rules, not NFL), a player has to have both feet inbounds per the above. The Cardinals player did that. If you look at that last replay in your video, the player got a solid foot inbounds and then dragged his trail foot inbounds before recovering the ball. So not only is the Tweeter wrong but because it was a fumble and change of possession, that IS reviewable and probably was so they could confirm.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Oh good.

The 396 posts whining about "but, but, but, THE REFS! WAANNNHHHHH" during the game thread wasn't enough.

Now we have a dedicated "Not our fault, wannnhhhh, they're out to get us, sniff sniff" thread.

Holy krap is this a soft, sissy team and fan base

Never looking inward. Always outward, and forever the victim.

All hope is lost.

 

[Kumala808]

Turning point was not scoring a td on the first drive