Hulk Smash

[CCBoy]

I have. Along with every one of the other people you make your backhanded statement about. And, unlike, you, we actually supported our "agendas" with some facts.

You love to type, but there's very little supported by the "logic" you like to claim. Tons, of words, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

If you yourself has started with a "logical and respectful argument" you would have gotten the same in return.

But - whether you believe so or not - you didn't.

You had your rant, tried to undermine anyone who didn't think the way you did, and presented your unsupported opinion as the way things really were.

I usually very much appreciate your work, and the time and effort you obviously put into it. This isn't one of them.

This was one of the worst things I've ever seen you post.

How dare one imply that my vision is off...

 

[CCBoy]

jday, up front...you are nice to have around. You provoke thoughts in around the Cowboys, and are an asset on site. Can't have a discussion without a variety of points to contend with.

You have a positive and realistic approach for concepts dealing with the team. Those are always useful.

In the real world, all things are contingent upon a group of transient factors. This involves Jason Garrett as well as the defense as it sits today.

You is highly dependent upon leadership and battle time success. They have to be shown on the level of success. That is why it is so difficult to set out to gain a youthful foundation. That shadow falls upon both, the team and upon Garrett. This team is highly dependent right now, on the need for quick successes and consistency of skills.

Jason, unfortunately, is accountable...here and now. He has been given time. Ingredients or not, he has to succeed here and now, and in this season. He probably doesn't survive that if he doesn't have also, a credible record and successes this season. The NFL is about accountability,

 

[jday]

Jday!! Nice work!!! I can appreciate a solid body of work. I may not show it on this site but I can throw down some writing as well, so, long posts like that never bother me. Great post!

Thanks for the kudos and reading!

 

[CCBoy]

jday, up front...you are nice to have around. You provoke thoughts in around the Cowboys, and are an asset on site. Can't have a discussion without a variety of points to contend with.

You have a positive and realistic approach for concepts dealing with the team. Those are always useful.

In the real world, all things are contingent upon a group of transient factors. This involves Jason Garrett as well as the defense as it sits today.

You is highly dependent upon leadership and battle time success. They have to be shown on the level of success. That is why it is so difficult to set out to gain a youthful foundation. That shadow falls upon both, the team and upon Garrett. This team is highly dependent right now, on the need for quick successes and consistency of skills.

Jason, unfortunately, is accountable...here and now. He has been given time. Ingredients or not, he has to succeed here and now, and in this season. He probably doesn't survive that if he doesn't have also, a credible record and successes this season. The NFL is about accountability,

You should read youth.

 

[bsbellomy]

We will agree to disagree. I apologize for being catty earlier... I was on a tear and you got caught in the blast area.

No worries jday, we can have our dissenting opinions and that's ok. Assume at the end of the day that we hope for the same thing for our boys.

 

[jday]

jday, up front...you are nice to have around. You provoke thoughts in around the Cowboys, and are an asset on site. Can't have a discussion without a variety of points to contend with.

You have a positive and realistic approach for concepts dealing with the team. Those are always useful.

In the real world, all things are contingent upon a group of transient factors. This involves Jason Garrett as well as the defense as it sits today.

You is highly dependent upon leadership and battle time success. They have to be shown on the level of success. That is why it is so difficult to set out to gain a youthful foundation. That shadow falls upon both, the team and upon Garrett. This team is highly dependent right now, on the need for quick successes and consistency of skills.

Jason, unfortunately, is accountable...here and now. He has been given time. Ingredients or not, he has to succeed here and now, and in this season. He probably doesn't survive that if he doesn't have also, a credible record and successes this season. The NFL is about accountability,

Thank you CC for the well thought out and respectful post.

My issue, I'm coming to realize, is my perspective is unique from many; my brand of logic grants more weight to my argument. With that in mind, I'm currently working on post that attempts to define the lense through which I view the world.

One aspect, I'd like to share with you in particular. I view all Cowboys fans as a family of a sort. Fellow soldiers I have an even a higher regard for, regardless of how our views differ.

Ultimately, when I look at the Cowboys as a whole, I see a completely different picture than many. I'm not blind to their weaknesses, or the mistakes of the many. But those are outweighed by their strengths, in my opinion.

It really is hard to say what Garrett adds. But from the moment he took over until now, this Team has evolved to one I can love. How much of his fingerprints are on that evolution, I cannot say, but I won't assume it is a coincidence. I haven't had this much confidence in the direction of a team since Jimmy. But again, that's just me.

Note that I said offseason in the op. That's important, because despite Free Agency's meager returns, the offseason as a whole was a success. See the development of various players. See the draft, which despite being positioned late, yielded several talented start-capable players...not including Taco or Switzer. And then consider the team at large; they've earned some leeway for the occasional Free Agent that doesn't work out; they were expendable anyway.

That said, my issue with people who espouse this agenda to hold the front office accountable, is they typically lump all the situations together, ignoring the shiny side of each penny.

They target Carroll with the thinking that he would be a veteran presence who might be able to help bridge the gap for the youth movement and was comfortable in zone. The shiny side if this penny is his departure ushered in the Lewis era, who the FO found in the third round. That's a push.

Paea retired! C'mon, how's that the FO's fault. He was a former Marinelli guy that played his football under his tutelage. It was low-risk high-reward gamble that paid off in the early going. And his departure ushered in the era of David Irving whom they plucked off of Kansas City's practice squad. In two games, he has 3 sacks. Push.

Demontre Moore; low risk high reward. Messed up again off the field. Dallas showed him the door. Score! FO wins the offseason.

To close, one last thing on Garrett. You question leadership...I don't. I named many things he's not in the OP, but he checks the leadership box in my opinion. I remember the hot mess this team was under other coaches not named Jimmy...and to a much lesser extent Parcells. But again, that is my view.

 

[CCBoy]

Thank you CC for the well thought out and respectful post.

My issue, I'm coming to realize, is my perspective is unique from many; my brand of logic grants more weight to my argument. With that in mind, I'm currently working on post that attempts to define the lense through which I view the world.

One aspect, I'd like to share with you in particular. I view all Cowboys fans as a family of a sort. Fellow soldiers I have an even a higher regard for, regardless of how our views differ.

Ultimately, when I look at the Cowboys as a whole, I see a completely different picture than many. I'm not blind to their weaknesses, or the mistakes of the many. But those are outweighed by their strengths, in my opinion.

It really is hard to say what Garrett adds. But from the moment he took over until now, this Team has evolved to one I can love. How much of his fingerprints are on that evolution, I cannot say, but I won't assume it is a coincidence. I haven't had this much confidence in the direction of a team since Jimmy. But again, that's just me.

Note that I said offseason in the op. That's important, because despite Free Agency's meager returns, the offseason as a whole was a success. See the development of various players. See the draft, which despite being positioned late, yielded several talented start-capable players...not including Taco or Switzer. And then consider the team at large; they've earned some leeway for the occasional Free Agent that doesn't work out; they were expendable anyway.

That said, my issue with people who espouse this agenda to hold the front office accountable, is they typically lump all the situations together, ignoring the shiny side of each penny.

They target Carroll with the thinking that he would be a veteran presence who might be able to help bridge the gap for the youth movement and was comfortable in zone. The shiny side if this penny is his departure ushered in the Lewis era, who the FO found in the third round. That's a push.

Paea retired! C'mon, how's that the FO's fault. He was a former Marinelli guy that played his football under his tutelage. It was low-risk high-reward gamble that paid off in the early going. And his departure ushered in the era of David Irving whom they plucked off of Kansas City's practice squad. In two games, he has 3 sacks. Push.

Demontre Moore; low risk high reward. Messed up again off the field. Dallas showed him the door. Score! FO wins the offseason.

To close, one last thing on Garrett. You question leadership...I don't. I named many things he's not in the OP, but he checks the leadership box in my opinion. I remember the hot mess this team was under other coaches not named Jimmy...and to a much lesser extent Parcells. But again, that is my view.

No need to personalize a view that you have...your view had plenty of merit and stood on it's own concerning Jason Garrett.

Oh, under Jason, the mettle underneath his efforts will show...as to immediacy. Seriously, I think this team has to get up off the corner stool, after a couple of tough rounds, and just keep fighting. But the sports media is a biased group and have target upon Jerry for all future time. Jason's youth better have strength in their legs...and keep answering the bell until this year' match, is won. The way of a sport, getting up off the ground and redelivering the blows until you win.

But Jason had better be leading his troops with character full of dignity and ethics of play.

JDay, again, thanks for some great words that meet up with the task at hand.

 

[Verdict]

There's always an out for this team. No matter how bad they actually did, some fans will twist and contort things in an effort to make it looks "less bad". Some fans feel obligated to minimize anything and everything this team does wrong. It's never a "big deal" when it goes wrong, only when it goes right.



Now you can expect somebody to jump to the "we're not breaking the bank in free agency" position, even though nobody called for it. That's the other extreme they jump to.

The fact is that it has little to nothing to do with the cost and everything to do with failed evaluation.

Nolan Carroll got $4 million for one game!

And some fans have the nerve to try to say that cutting him was part of some plan? Because Jourdan Lewis played well? Any "plan" that includes wasting $4 million sucks, no two ways about it.

And in terms of "get what you pay for". Claiborne is playing for $5 million with the Jets.

Easy math - for those who apparently struggle with it - says $5 million - $4 million = $1 million. So for $1 million in cap space, you could have kept the guy who knows your system, and despite a poor injury history, would have given you better play, and much more of it. There's not much less you could get than what they got from Carroll.

And for $1 million over that, you could have kept Carr, who got $6 million from the Ravens. That's a difference of $2 million, and the difference between two guys who know your system, and one who doesn't. Two guys who are playing, and the mistake you chose who isn't. And he still isn't. Can you believe that nobody has "scooped up" Nolan Carroll yet?

And that's just one, we can also go into the choice between Cedric Thornton and Stephen Paea vs keeping the player you had and who knew your system in Terrell McClain. Those numbers weren't much different either.

Not only are they failing to evaluate outside talent, they're failing to properly judge inside talent too.

And whatever failed system they have in place, and whoever is involved in that failure, needs to change.

Yes we over paid for Carroll. There is no denying it.

 

[Melonfeud]

"Hulk Smash" is the name of my fantasy football team.

Cool, I think " the green reefers" or " mean green reefers" would be a good one