Hypothetical Question-Fredbeard/Martin

[phildadon86]

Can we afford to keep both of these guys when their contracts are up? I know its a ways away and the cap will be higher by then, but I'm very curious to see if they can afford both.

 

[speedkilz88]

Romo may be done by then so I would think so.

 

[iceberg]

Can we afford to keep both of these guys when their contracts are up? I know its a ways away and the cap will be higher by then, but I'm very curious to see if they can afford both.

No sense in waiting until a problem hits before we worry.

 

[xwalker]

Can we afford to keep both of these guys when their contracts are up? I know its a ways away and the cap will be higher by then, but I'm very curious to see if they can afford both.

It's impossible to predict that far ahead. The NFL cap is going up, but we don't know how much. Romo will likely be gone and replaced by a young, inexpensive player. The Cowboys could do a cap dump the year after Romo retires and intentionally go without some older veterans such that any dead money would be cleared out the following year.

Also, a lot of the future cap is dependent on who is signed for how much in this year and next. If they don't sign any external free agents then the future cap is probably no problem. If they sign all of Suh, Hardy, JPP, Revis, etc.. then the future cap would obviously be a problem.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Give them both a Tyron Smith kind of deal in a couple of years.

 

[Future]

Both are probably going to want to be top paid at their position, but both are probably will to take a bit less to keep the band together.

Inevitably, affording our OL is going to be a problem.

 

[pancakeman]

It's a law.
Tremendous talent + time = affordability issues.
But it beats the alternative!

 

[Doomsday101]

Thankfully one is in 2017 and the other in 2018

 

[JoeyBoy718]

This is why I don't understand when people say, "You draft X and you have your starting Y for the next 10 years." It's more like, "You draft X and you hope he's a good player and then you draft Y four years later to take over for him."

To be honest, it makes dynasties like the Patriots more sensible. You draft an elite QB and you'll be competitive for 15 years. The rest of the roster will change every few years. But it seems like teams in the salary cap era get punished for doing well in the draft. The Seahawks did a great job finding elite secondary talent later in the draft. But all those players will be on different teams in a few years and their secondary will become suspect. Dallas drafted three elite O-linemen in the 1st round. But those guys will be on different teams in a few years and our O-line will be a mess again. While the Colts will keep winning because they have Andrew Luck.

 

[JoeKing]

My best guess is the team will be in rebuilding mode by then. We will be cutting bait with a lot of veteran talent in favor of younger cheaper players. I see no reason why the OL would be any exception. Cowboys fans need to prepare themselves for a few very crappy years post Romo, but savor the next couple of years too.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The most arcane topics come up this time of the year. No fault of the OP, but there is so much to worry about that is here and now and not on the horizon three years from now.

An example:

...................................................Off Season...........................................................
we're here---------------------------------------(NFL DRAFT - Yeah!!!)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Training Camp is here

Damn it!

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

At the end of the day, we're talking about a centre and a guard. Those are not considered premium positions so even top performers at those positions do not command top-dollar contracts. I have difficulty imagining any scenario in which the team can't afford to keep them both.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is why I don't understand when people say, "You draft X and you have your starting Y for the next 10 years." It's more like, "You draft X and you hope he's a good player and then you draft Y four years later to take over for him."

To be honest, it makes dynasties like the Patriots more sensible. You draft an elite QB and you'll be competitive for 15 years. The rest of the roster will change every few years. But it seems like teams in the salary cap era get punished for doing well in the draft. The Seahawks did a great job finding elite secondary talent later in the draft. But all those players will be on different teams in a few years and their secondary will become suspect. Dallas drafted three elite O-linemen in the 1st round. But those guys will be on different teams in a few years and our O-line will be a mess again. While the Colts will keep winning because they have Andrew Luck.

Some will but Tyron Smith was locked up long terms. As for Frederick and Martin? Let see what happens. I do suspect one will get locked up and play the majority of his career in Dallas along with Smith

 

[jobberone]

No sense in waiting until a problem hits before we worry.

Gotta keep my eye on you @iceberg

 

[jobberone]

Don't see paying for very good to All Pro interior linemen to be a huge deal most of the time.

 

[T-RO]

The most arcane topics come up this time of the year. No fault of the OP, but there is so much to worry about that is here and now and not on the horizon three years from now.!

Seems like a perfect topic for the offseason, and I find your comment puzzling at best. It's extremely relevant because by acting a couple years in advance the Cowboys could lock those two Cowboys into place for 6-8 years.

Act early the front office has leverage. Act late and the front office has zero leverage.

I guarantee you the savvy GMs are giving this kind of issue tons of thought at this point with young players. Plan ahead. Think ahead. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that in a world where most people live paycheck to paycheck, such a discussion is viewed as premature.

 

[DFWJC]

Can we afford to keep both of these guys when their contracts are up? I know its a ways away and the cap will be higher by then, but I'm very curious to see if they can afford both.

It helps that they were 1st rounders--thus giving us a 5th year on the rookie deal--and also that guards and centers aren't as expensive compared to some other positions.
Tyron's relatively team friendly deal helps too.

They need to seize the day while both these guys are on rookie deals. That's a big part the recipe these days (see Seattle). As we know, no team out there can pay everyone.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Seems like a perfect topic for the offseason, and I find your comment puzzling at best. It's extremely relevant because by acting a couple years in advance the Cowboys could lock those two Cowboys into place for 6-8 years.

Act early the front office has leverage. Act late and the front office has zero leverage.

I guarantee you the savvy GMs are giving this kind of issue tons of thought at this point with young players. Plan ahead. Think ahead. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that in a world where most people live paycheck to paycheck, such a discussion is viewed as premature.

You and me, and all the people who post here have no influence on what happens today with this team. Nor do we have any influence on what happens tomorrow, or three years from now. So while I applaud your looking ahead, the question about being able to afford both of those players will have other authorities that will cloud any decision today. And we have no clue about what those might be. Which is the real deal. We have no clue.

So what a savvy GM might do, and what we seem to do here on this board have no link between them.

Discuss what you wish. But be advised there is no correct answer, because we don't know the circumstances the team will be in when those days arrive.

Just like someone said, Romo mostly likely will be gone by then. So keeping those two guys certainly seems possible. But again, there is so much that can happen between now and then, and some negative aspects to one, or the other, or both of the players, that this discussion is moot at this time.

But carry on. Reality has shown he purchases enough bandwidth for speculation galore.

 

[T-RO]

I'd like to see the Cowboys pay these two young kids 2-3 years out from free agency. It's a win-win. You offer them maybe a 10-15% pay raise on their existing years, while giving them the insurance for later in their career. That type of financial offering appeals to the short term and to the long term for the player.

How do the Cowboys win? They lock good players in. Salaries are only going to inflate as the years move along, so you avoid that inflation...and if either player were to enter free agency the price would escalate big time. Esp. I suspect for Martin.

Offensive linemen are very often some of the best character types on the team. I don't see either of these guys selling Meth, stealing underwear or beating up cops. And like Tyronne--they are ball players not slackers. I don't think you'd see either getting fat and sloppy. Or since it's o-linemen we are talking about..."fatter and sloppier."

Yes the Cowboys take some risk that Frederick or Martin might experience a career ending injury but neither have anything in their bg to suggest that.

 

[Nation]

My thought is that they'll pay those two when it is time to do so and instead go cheap at LG and RT