Hypothetical: Trade Dez

[CF74]

Without Dez we are a 7 win team, 8-8 at best...

 

[xwalker]

If Minnesota wants to trade their first this year and AP for dez I do it in a heart beat

Their pick is #11. If they had #5, it would be easy to count on getting probably the #1 WR and definitely 1 or the top 2. At #11 the top 2 and maybe top 3 could be gone.

Dez would take up less cap space than AP so the Vikings definitely have the cap space for it.

 

[xwalker]

WHAT IF...

Minnesota offered Adrian Peterson, the 11th pick, and Harrison Smith for Dez Bryant and the 27th pick.

For the record, I pretty much hate any scenario that includes trading Dez. For purposes of this WHAT IF, I'll go with the idea that Dallas has concluded Dez will never sign a long-term deal to stay.

That's basically #27 for Smith who is a free agent after this season. That would be a terrible deal.

 

[DFWJC]

How about we just keep our WR and get a RB in the draft?
I choose that option.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Whenever a trade scenario includes the terms "somehow, someway," it's a sign that even the OP understands the ridicoulousness of the argument.

 

[visionary]

That would be one of the worst trades i've seen Jerry do since the Roy Williams trade. You'd trade a suspect 1st round pick for a 30 year old running back? For Dez at that?

?not sure what you mean
I would take #11 pick in draft+AP+13 million in cap space this year and 50 million over next 4 years in cap space for Dez

 

[KingintheNorth]

That's basically #27 for Smith who is a free agent after this season. That would be a terrible deal.

5th year option.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

trade him? nah just franchise him till you can't franchise him and then cut bait. his personal life is a ticking time bomb. better to let that explode on someone elses dime. sorry, dez worshipers... truth hurts don't it.

#saggydrawers

 

[xwalker]

5th year option.

You get him for 2 years or the pick for 5 years.

 

[DFWJC]

?not sure what you mean
I would take #11 pick in draft+AP+13 million in cap space this year and 50 million over next 4 years in cap space for Dez

Just a side note
People do tend to overlook the buying power of added cap space. It's a big issue, as you note, in this case.

 

[joseephuss]

?not sure what you mean
I would take #11 pick in draft+AP+13 million in cap space this year and 50 million over next 4 years in cap space for Dez

The $13 million they would save not paying Dez in 2015 would go straight to Adrian Peterson who has a base salary of almost $13 million for 2015.

 

[sbark]

Is New England winning Super Bowls by doing the same thing to their WR position (salary cap wise) that the rest of the league has figured out how to do on the RB position?................

 

[JoeKing]

Again though, what has he shown in the past year to say that his life is a ticking tomb bomb?

his folly is not linked to what he has shown in the past two years, it is linked to much farther back in his past. as I said, he has lost his mentor.

 

[visionary]

The $13 million they would save not paying Dez in 2015 would go straight to Adrian Peterson who has a base salary of almost $13 million for 2015.

Since it is a hypothetical, AP is coming on board for 6 mill/yr on a 3 year deal to win a championship playing in Dallas

 

[joseephuss]

Since it is a hypothetical, AP is coming on board for 6 mill/yr on a 3 year deal to win a championship playing in Dallas

Hypothetical? Seems more like an acid trip.

 

[Ashwynn]

While I think Dex is a Hershal Walker type trade player, meaning we could get a boat load in return for him. I could not stomach the thought of facing him, can you say Randy Moss round 2. We would have to trade him to the Jets or Browns or raiders, someone that would not make the playoffs. I think if you can work out a deal for him long term and keep him thats the best way to go, even if you have to over pay a little. Hes not like aging and on the way down, hes not marginal talent thats been over hyped. Hes the real deal. Hes what the franchise player means. He can change the franchises future. If you have to trade him you do so intelligently, not for AP, but for this years number 1st and 2nd and next years 1st and 2nd to a team that sucks this year and next year. Maybe grab a defensive stud, hopefully a corner back or defensive end, along with the draft pick booty. And then use 1 of the 1st rounders on a replacement receiver. But you explore every option of keeping him and only trade him if you cant sign him long term and then trade him to a team out of the NFC East that sucks big time. If you have to face him, make it every 2 or 3 or 4 years, not twice a year.

 

[KingintheNorth]

You get him for 2 years or the pick for 5 years.

Harrison Smith improves this defense immediately. He's also better than the likely players available at 27.

Plus, you can always re-sign him. Minnesota would never trade Harrison Smith for the 27th pick. We'd be fools not to take Smith for the 27th pick.

I threw him in to make the hypothetical deal more enticing. You could sub Xavier Rhodes in there.

 

[Verdict]

Well, I am not certain on this but can Dallas even trade Dez since he hasn't signed his franchise tag? Also, lets say he does sign it and is then traded, I believe the signing bonus $ stays with the original team(Dallas). Then, Dez has to agree to new terms with the new team. I don't really understand the semantics of the tag.

No team as of now has laid claim to him that would result in giving up two top picks, why would Minnesota trade AP and their #1 for Dez now?

Dez and AP are not mutually exclusive here. If Dallas wants AP, they will get him and dangling Dez out there is not needed.

I do fear that Dez will be tagged twice then run off elsewhere, he is my favorite player aside from Romo

I think Minnesota would make that trade in a minute. I don't think they would even think twice about it.

 

[Verdict]

While I think Dex is a Hershal Walker type trade player, meaning we could get a boat load in return for him. I could not stomach the thought of facing him, can you say Randy Moss round 2. We would have to trade him to the Jets or Browns or raiders, someone that would not make the playoffs. I think if you can work out a deal for him long term and keep him thats the best way to go, even if you have to over pay a little. Hes not like aging and on the way down, hes not marginal talent thats been over hyped. Hes the real deal. Hes what the franchise player means. He can change the franchises future. If you have to trade him you do so intelligently, not for AP, but for this years number 1st and 2nd and next years 1st and 2nd to a team that sucks this year and next year. Maybe grab a defensive stud, hopefully a corner back or defensive end, along with the draft pick booty. And then use 1 of the 1st rounders on a replacement receiver. But you explore every option of keeping him and only trade him if you cant sign him long term and then trade him to a team out of the NFC East that sucks big time. If you have to face him, make it every 2 or 3 or 4 years, not twice a year.

No one is going to give up two firsts and two seconds for Dez. If so we would trade him in a minute. We might be able to get two firsts for Dez, or maybe two first and an second but only from a perennial SB favorite like the Patriots because the first is almost a second and the second is almost a third.

 

[StylisticS]

his folly is not linked to what he has shown in the past two years, it is linked to much farther back in his past. as I said, he has lost his mentor.

But the last two years is more important. We should go by what has he done lately and lately, he has done nothing off the field to suggest he is a ticking time bomb. The only thing we have seen him done off the field is workout.